8/27 APS Work Session—Elementary Boundaries

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Anonymous wrote:6:11, I agree with most of that except the idea that the streetcar would have made any difference at all with respect to the density of students at that site. Running a streetcar up and down Columbia Pike doesn't help most people who would in theory be zoned to or work at that school get to that school.

Cancelling the streetcar did make Fairfax give us the finger with regard to expanding ingress/egress from the Kenmore site into FFX county, which I understand is a large part of what killed that site as an option for the 4th HS.


Interesting, I hadn’t heard that but it makes sense. So, I think we should hold off on putting anything else at the Kenmore site, because it could still be on the table in the future, maybe once we’re forgiven. Using that land now, for schools that could fit elsewhere, precludes that site from ever being fully utilized. They should not continue to make the same mistakes, time and time again. Plan for the FUTURE, not the now.

Anyway, the streetcar would be useful for kids all along the Pike to get to/from the site. I know someone whose child transferred to Arl Tech and has a one hour commute, by school bus, from within the same zip code at the west end of the Pike (public bus has no better options). The kid could walk there in that amount of time. Better transportation would support the option school that currently exists at the site and likely will for some time, as well as the CTE programs. And, better public infrastructure would allow teachers to commute more easily without cars, and parents to attend events without cars, whether the school is option or neighborhood.


How would the street car have made any difference in this situation? It wasn't going to have a dedicated lane so it would have been sitting in traffic back-ups just like a bus. If they want to make a real difference in transportation along the Pike it would have to be some kind of elevated light rail.


I see you believed the AST disinformation campaign. I won’t hold my breath for any rail or better transportation on the Pike. It’s about as likely to happen as taking the golf courses by eminent domain.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I agree with that read. They are not adding all the seats they initially planned at Career Center. And they are not adding amenities. Keeping it a program with fewer amenities. Makes sense. Overall this document suggests APS is in a better position than we thought. But need to get cracking now on elementary seats!!


That's not how I read it at all. Look at this: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/190917_ACC-BLPC-PFRC-Leave-Behind.pdf

800 ADDITIONAL seats PLUS expand AT to 600 ASAP.

They are planning on amenities including one field, performing arts space, and a full size gym and cafeteria.

It's basically a down payment on a 4th HS. That's how I read it. But they can't flip the switch on that until they can boot Montessori off the site. Oh and plan for a pool now.


What is really concerning in the link just posted above is the reference to "Future phases of expansion to allow as many different options as possible for phasing, instructional programs and outdoor athletic facilities, including possible neighborhood High School seats
(as and when needed in the future)
"


Just another APS get-by-one-piece-at-a-time crap of a non-plan. As much as this phased band-aid approach costs, they could just build a blasted 4th high school at Kenmore now.


No, they couldn’t, because they don’t have the money.


Well, they have $200 million, so that's nothing to sneeze at. Median US high schools cost $235.29 per sq foot. Wakefield is 380,000 square feet. Even assuming it costs $400 a sq foot to build in Arlington, it should cost $152 million to build another Wakefield. You could take $20 million or so and add the third floor to the Career Center that the current structure will accommodate to give Arlington Tech more space, and then maybe another $20 million renovating that building and maybe adding a real gym. That's a lot more seats for a much better price. But APS won't even price that out or consider it.

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Anonymous wrote:6:11, I agree with most of that except the idea that the streetcar would have made any difference at all with respect to the density of students at that site. Running a streetcar up and down Columbia Pike doesn't help most people who would in theory be zoned to or work at that school get to that school.

Cancelling the streetcar did make Fairfax give us the finger with regard to expanding ingress/egress from the Kenmore site into FFX county, which I understand is a large part of what killed that site as an option for the 4th HS.


Interesting, I hadn’t heard that but it makes sense. So, I think we should hold off on putting anything else at the Kenmore site, because it could still be on the table in the future, maybe once we’re forgiven. Using that land now, for schools that could fit elsewhere, precludes that site from ever being fully utilized. They should not continue to make the same mistakes, time and time again. Plan for the FUTURE, not the now.

Anyway, the streetcar would be useful for kids all along the Pike to get to/from the site. I know someone whose child transferred to Arl Tech and has a one hour commute, by school bus, from within the same zip code at the west end of the Pike (public bus has no better options). The kid could walk there in that amount of time. Better transportation would support the option school that currently exists at the site and likely will for some time, as well as the CTE programs. And, better public infrastructure would allow teachers to commute more easily without cars, and parents to attend events without cars, whether the school is option or neighborhood.


Pretty sure that at the meeting where this Kenmore option was discussed (2017? 2018?) they said they couldn't pursue it right now because it would take too much time to work with VDOT to get the road stuff taken care of. Thought it was a state, not county issue. My question at the time was, if this takes so long, shouldn't we be starting that process now so we'll be ready when we need to act? There's no way we leave that huge parcel of land untouched for the next 10 years.


Yup and yup.
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