the Key/ASFS building switch...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The claws come out...

Sent to LV listserve tonight.

“Lyon Village was extended an invitation from the president of Cherrydale Civic Association to attend a meeting on Sept. 24 to discuss the Key Elementary-Science Focus Building Swap.

However, the president of Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association reached out to me this morning and let me know that Lyon Village residents are not invited to attend this meeting because "[t]he subject meeting is Ballston-Virginia Square's regular monthly meeting and we invited Cherrydale residents to join us on for the school swap agenda item as we were already considering a possible joint response to the school board. It would be difficult to discuss and take action on a neighborhood position with members of the broader Arlington community there."

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but please do not plan to attend the meeting as the Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association will be turning away uninvited guests. “

Can’t be real. Cherry dale needs LV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Planning and announcing a swap with input from only swap-supporters, during the summer, after they’d “tabled the issue” last spring is a stupid distraction? Let’s be clear, no one from the Key community has asked for anything but to be heard, and nearly half of that community doesn’t know the full situation. If you’re rich I guess you might call something like not being able to pick up your kid and get back to your job at Baja Fresh a stupid distraction because you’ve spent your entire life thinking of nothing and no one but yourself.

Our poor people are just as important as your poor people, and this is our turn. Go. Sat. Down!
Xo,
South Arlington

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Planning and announcing a swap with input from only swap-supporters, during the summer, after they’d “tabled the issue” last spring is a stupid distraction? Let’s be clear, no one from the Key community has asked for anything but to be heard, and nearly half of that community doesn’t know the full situation. If you’re rich I guess you might call something like not being able to pick up your kid and get back to your job at Baja Fresh a stupid distraction because you’ve spent your entire life thinking of nothing and no one but yourself.

Aps tried to draw boundaries around existing school sites, and could not draw them in a way such that the poor kids (the units with 50 or 60% farms rates) did not end up with one hour bus rides. They were not catering to the rich here. They are catering to the poor but not native Spanish speaking population, that happens to live in the key zone.
Sorry if the reality does t fit your narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Planning and announcing a swap with input from only swap-supporters, during the summer, after they’d “tabled the issue” last spring is a stupid distraction? Let’s be clear, no one from the Key community has asked for anything but to be heard, and nearly half of that community doesn’t know the full situation. If you’re rich I guess you might call something like not being able to pick up your kid and get back to your job at Baja Fresh a stupid distraction because you’ve spent your entire life thinking of nothing and no one but yourself.

Aps tried to draw boundaries around existing school sites, and could not draw them in a way such that the poor kids (the units with 50 or 60% farms rates) did not end up with one hour bus rides. They were not catering to the rich here. They are catering to the poor but not native Spanish speaking population, that happens to live in the key zone.
Sorry if the reality does t fit your narrative.

boy you have been drinking the kool-aid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Planning and announcing a swap with input from only swap-supporters, during the summer, after they’d “tabled the issue” last spring is a stupid distraction? Let’s be clear, no one from the Key community has asked for anything but to be heard, and nearly half of that community doesn’t know the full situation. If you’re rich I guess you might call something like not being able to pick up your kid and get back to your job at Baja Fresh a stupid distraction because you’ve spent your entire life thinking of nothing and no one but yourself.

Aps tried to draw boundaries around existing school sites, and could not draw them in a way such that the poor kids (the units with 50 or 60% farms rates) did not end up with one hour bus rides. They were not catering to the rich here. They are catering to the poor but not native Spanish speaking population, that happens to live in the key zone.
Sorry if the reality does t fit your narrative.

boy you have been drinking the kool-aid

Nope, just some sangria I pinched from the Cherrydale stockpile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SB doesn’t want to weigh in. They agree with the decision and are thrilled to not have to be involved.

I think this is correct. Its pretty cowardly on their part, and very politician-like. I don't think they are fooling anyone in the sense that they will be blamed (credited?) for this move, though. Barbara Kaninnen -chair of the SB - has already declined to attend a meeting with the Key PTA, on the grounds that their assigned SB Rep (Tania Talento) will attend, and has also refused to attend a meeting at the building where many of Key's Spanish speaking families live. I think they are hoping this just goes away. Its not a terrible bet on their part, but its far from a sure thing.

Barbara doesn't need their votes; therefore she doesn't need to attend the meetings.

Nor is she chair of Sb. Goldstein is. And Monique I Grady is the liaison not talento. And this is. Not on the agenda until spring

So is Talento attending or O'grady? 'Cause Talento is the one who will support whatever is in her perceived best interest on behalf of Latinos.

[Anonymous]

Here was the process: Last year, everyone at ASFS pretty much opposed getting rid of the Team boundaries knowing that it was going to create further capacity issues if the Key zone didn’t have both Key and ASFS to use as neighborhood schools. Then there was some “engagement” on the walk zones until April when APS came out and said Key should be a neighborhood school and ASFS an option. This “swap” idea came (according to Lisa Stengel) from a parent at ASFS who lives near Key and wanted ASFS in their neighborhood.The walkers around ASFS and the teachers/faculty lobbied otherwise and 3 weeks later, APS announces that both schools should be neighborhood schools. Now those living near Key and Rosslyn were up in arms because they didn’t want just any old neighborhood school in their neighborhood but they wanted the ASFS program/teachers, science lab, etc.

After a month of fighting, Murphy calls for a stand down and says moving Key would be tabled for now and basically, everyone just shut up and sit down. Then all summer APS posts updates that some ASFS’ boundaries might get changed in 2019 but by the end of July states definitively that all of ASFS’ boundaries would be changed in 2019; thus, supporting Murphy’s decree that no options would be moving and APS would have to figure out a way to draw new boundaries around ASFS (or just leave them alone and let ASFS sit outside its boundaries).

This “plan of action” was touted all through August by APS when they met with Key’s and ASFS’ principals. It wasn’t until 4 hours before Murphy’s August 28th announcement that APS gave the schools the heads up that everything they had been told over the summer was a lie and that they were swapping schools. And the reason? Not to fix capacity at either school, but to just let ASFS’ current community stick together (never mind they’ll all be in middle school in a few years, or that APS is still going to have to redraw boundaries around the new ASFS and kick more than just the transfers out).

So yeah, if that’s the amazing “process” by which APS operates, we should all feel good about the decisions they make and the community engagement that they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The claws come out...

Sent to LV listserve tonight.

“Lyon Village was extended an invitation from the president of Cherrydale Civic Association to attend a meeting on Sept. 24 to discuss the Key Elementary-Science Focus Building Swap.

However, the president of Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association reached out to me this morning and let me know that Lyon Village residents are not invited to attend this meeting because "[t]he subject meeting is Ballston-Virginia Square's regular monthly meeting and we invited Cherrydale residents to join us on for the school swap agenda item as we were already considering a possible joint response to the school board. It would be difficult to discuss and take action on a neighborhood position with members of the broader Arlington community there."

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but please do not plan to attend the meeting as the Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association will be turning away uninvited guests. “

Wow, yet Cherrydale residents without students at ASFS had the gall to attend PTA meetings???

Uh, yeah, because PTA membership is open to everyone and Civic Associations are open to residents who live in a certain area. And note, it was the Cherrydale Civic Associaiton who ASKED Lyon Village to come and it was the Ballston-VA Square Civil Association who nixed Lyon Village’s attendance. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here was the process: Last year, everyone at ASFS pretty much opposed getting rid of the Team boundaries knowing that it was going to create further capacity issues if the Key zone didn’t have both Key and ASFS to use as neighborhood schools. Then there was some “engagement” on the walk zones until April when APS came out and said Key should be a neighborhood school and ASFS an option. This “swap” idea came (according to Lisa Stengel) from a parent at ASFS who lives near Key and wanted ASFS in their neighborhood.The walkers around ASFS and the teachers/faculty lobbied otherwise and 3 weeks later, APS announces that both schools should be neighborhood schools. Now those living near Key and Rosslyn were up in arms because they didn’t want just any old neighborhood school in their neighborhood but they wanted the ASFS program/teachers, science lab, etc.

After a month of fighting, Murphy calls for a stand down and says moving Key would be tabled for now and basically, everyone just shut up and sit down. Then all summer APS posts updates that some ASFS’ boundaries might get changed in 2019 but by the end of July states definitively that all of ASFS’ boundaries would be changed in 2019; thus, supporting Murphy’s decree that no options would be moving and APS would have to figure out a way to draw new boundaries around ASFS (or just leave them alone and let ASFS sit outside its boundaries).

This “plan of action” was touted all through August by APS when they met with Key’s and ASFS’ principals. It wasn’t until 4 hours before Murphy’s August 28th announcement that APS gave the schools the heads up that everything they had been told over the summer was a lie and that they were swapping schools. And the reason? Not to fix capacity at either school, but to just let ASFS’ current community stick together (never mind they’ll all be in middle school in a few years, or that APS is still going to have to redraw boundaries around the new ASFS and kick more than just the transfers out).

So yeah, if that’s the amazing “process” by which APS operates, we should all feel good about the decisions they make and the community engagement that they do.

In other words, they’d come up with an initial plan, discussions and feedback over the summer made them realize it wasn’t a good idea, and so they decided to change course to something they felt would be better for Arlington as a whole before they were committed to the original plan.

Everyone knows this was motivated at least in part by the knowledge that if they included the ASF/Key issue this fall, South Arlington would end up getting the short end of it because the ASF/Key people will completely overwhelm the staff with their own shouting and demands. It’s your own bad behavior (on both sides) that created this situation. I know it galls you to have someone else be the priority for a few months, but get over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The claws come out...

Sent to LV listserve tonight.

“Lyon Village was extended an invitation from the president of Cherrydale Civic Association to attend a meeting on Sept. 24 to discuss the Key Elementary-Science Focus Building Swap.

However, the president of Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association reached out to me this morning and let me know that Lyon Village residents are not invited to attend this meeting because "[t]he subject meeting is Ballston-Virginia Square's regular monthly meeting and we invited Cherrydale residents to join us on for the school swap agenda item as we were already considering a possible joint response to the school board. It would be difficult to discuss and take action on a neighborhood position with members of the broader Arlington community there."

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but please do not plan to attend the meeting as the Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association will be turning away uninvited guests. “

Wow, yet Cherrydale residents without students at ASFS had the gall to attend PTA meetings???

Uh, yeah, because PTA membership is open to everyone and Civic Associations are open to residents who live in a certain area. And note, it was the Cherrydale Civic Associaiton who ASKED Lyon Village to come and it was the Ballston-VA Square Civil Association who nixed Lyon Village’s attendance. Try to keep up.

Okay, whatevs. Tacky as hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The claws come out...

Sent to LV listserve tonight.

“Lyon Village was extended an invitation from the president of Cherrydale Civic Association to attend a meeting on Sept. 24 to discuss the Key Elementary-Science Focus Building Swap.

However, the president of Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association reached out to me this morning and let me know that Lyon Village residents are not invited to attend this meeting because "[t]he subject meeting is Ballston-Virginia Square's regular monthly meeting and we invited Cherrydale residents to join us on for the school swap agenda item as we were already considering a possible joint response to the school board. It would be difficult to discuss and take action on a neighborhood position with members of the broader Arlington community there."

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but please do not plan to attend the meeting as the Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association will be turning away uninvited guests. “

Wow, yet Cherrydale residents without students at ASFS had the gall to attend PTA meetings???

Uh, yeah, because PTA membership is open to everyone and Civic Associations are open to residents who live in a certain area. And note, it was the Cherrydale Civic Associaiton who ASKED Lyon Village to come and it was the Ballston-VA Square Civil Association who nixed Lyon Village’s attendance. Try to keep up.

Facts that don’t square with their perceived victimhood are not welcome here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here was the process: Last year, everyone at ASFS pretty much opposed getting rid of the Team boundaries knowing that it was going to create further capacity issues if the Key zone didn’t have both Key and ASFS to use as neighborhood schools. Then there was some “engagement” on the walk zones until April when APS came out and said Key should be a neighborhood school and ASFS an option. This “swap” idea came (according to Lisa Stengel) from a parent at ASFS who lives near Key and wanted ASFS in their neighborhood.The walkers around ASFS and the teachers/faculty lobbied otherwise and 3 weeks later, APS announces that both schools should be neighborhood schools. Now those living near Key and Rosslyn were up in arms because they didn’t want just any old neighborhood school in their neighborhood but they wanted the ASFS program/teachers, science lab, etc.

After a month of fighting, Murphy calls for a stand down and says moving Key would be tabled for now and basically, everyone just shut up and sit down. Then all summer APS posts updates that some ASFS’ boundaries might get changed in 2019 but by the end of July states definitively that all of ASFS’ boundaries would be changed in 2019; thus, supporting Murphy’s decree that no options would be moving and APS would have to figure out a way to draw new boundaries around ASFS (or just leave them alone and let ASFS sit outside its boundaries).

This “plan of action” was touted all through August by APS when they met with Key’s and ASFS’ principals. It wasn’t until 4 hours before Murphy’s August 28th announcement that APS gave the schools the heads up that everything they had been told over the summer was a lie and that they were swapping schools. And the reason? Not to fix capacity at either school, but to just let ASFS’ current community stick together (never mind they’ll all be in middle school in a few years, or that APS is still going to have to redraw boundaries around the new ASFS and kick more than just the transfers out).

So yeah, if that’s the amazing “process” by which APS operates, we should all feel good about the decisions they make and the community engagement that they do.

This is not what happened, at all. Just stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here was the process: Last year, everyone at ASFS pretty much opposed getting rid of the Team boundaries knowing that it was going to create further capacity issues if the Key zone didn’t have both Key and ASFS to use as neighborhood schools. Then there was some “engagement” on the walk zones until April when APS came out and said Key should be a neighborhood school and ASFS an option. This “swap” idea came (according to Lisa Stengel) from a parent at ASFS who lives near Key and wanted ASFS in their neighborhood.The walkers around ASFS and the teachers/faculty lobbied otherwise and 3 weeks later, APS announces that both schools should be neighborhood schools. Now those living near Key and Rosslyn were up in arms because they didn’t want just any old neighborhood school in their neighborhood but they wanted the ASFS program/teachers, science lab, etc.

After a month of fighting, Murphy calls for a stand down and says moving Key would be tabled for now and basically, everyone just shut up and sit down. Then all summer APS posts updates that some ASFS’ boundaries might get changed in 2019 but by the end of July states definitively that all of ASFS’ boundaries would be changed in 2019; thus, supporting Murphy’s decree that no options would be moving and APS would have to figure out a way to draw new boundaries around ASFS (or just leave them alone and let ASFS sit outside its boundaries).

This “plan of action” was touted all through August by APS when they met with Key’s and ASFS’ principals. It wasn’t until 4 hours before Murphy’s August 28th announcement that APS gave the schools the heads up that everything they had been told over the summer was a lie and that they were swapping schools. And the reason? Not to fix capacity at either school, but to just let ASFS’ current community stick together (never mind they’ll all be in middle school in a few years, or that APS is still going to have to redraw boundaries around the new ASFS and kick more than just the transfers out).

So yeah, if that’s the amazing “process” by which APS operates, we should all feel good about the decisions they make and the community engagement that they do.

This is not what happened, at all. Just stop.

Except that all the messages that APS put out in the spring and summer did indicate that there would be no swap and ASFS would get new boundaries in 2019. Now, if over the summer, APS realized that redrawing boundaries around ASFS wasn't prudent or doable at this time, they could have messaged that instead of doubling-down and reaffirming and recommitting that ASFS was getting new boundaries in 2019. APS could have pulled back in its messaging and put ASFS squarely in the 2021 boundary change process. If you go back and look at the three updates on boundaries that were put out, though, APS did the exact opposite. And it was clear when APS published it's August 13th memo, APS was working on the swap all summer. Why wasn't that messaged as a potential option? Answer: folks would have been lobbying them all summer and they wanted to avoid that-- so they misled everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The claws come out...

Sent to LV listserve tonight.

“Lyon Village was extended an invitation from the president of Cherrydale Civic Association to attend a meeting on Sept. 24 to discuss the Key Elementary-Science Focus Building Swap.

However, the president of Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association reached out to me this morning and let me know that Lyon Village residents are not invited to attend this meeting because "[t]he subject meeting is Ballston-Virginia Square's regular monthly meeting and we invited Cherrydale residents to join us on for the school swap agenda item as we were already considering a possible joint response to the school board. It would be difficult to discuss and take action on a neighborhood position with members of the broader Arlington community there."

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but please do not plan to attend the meeting as the Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association will be turning away uninvited guests. “

Wow, yet Cherrydale residents without students at ASFS had the gall to attend PTA meetings???

Uh, yeah, because PTA membership is open to everyone and Civic Associations are open to residents who live in a certain area. And note, it was the Cherrydale Civic Associaiton who ASKED Lyon Village to come and it was the Ballston-VA Square Civil Association who nixed Lyon Village’s attendance. Try to keep up.

Okay, whatevs. Tacky as hell.

So you would also agree that going to a Civic Association meeting when you are a non-resident would also be tacky as hell? Just trying to figure out why it's tacky for interested people to attend public meetings but not necessarily when interested folks attend private meeting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The claws come out...

Sent to LV listserve tonight.

“Lyon Village was extended an invitation from the president of Cherrydale Civic Association to attend a meeting on Sept. 24 to discuss the Key Elementary-Science Focus Building Swap.

However, the president of Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association reached out to me this morning and let me know that Lyon Village residents are not invited to attend this meeting because "[t]he subject meeting is Ballston-Virginia Square's regular monthly meeting and we invited Cherrydale residents to join us on for the school swap agenda item as we were already considering a possible joint response to the school board. It would be difficult to discuss and take action on a neighborhood position with members of the broader Arlington community there."

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but please do not plan to attend the meeting as the Ballston-Virginia Square Civic Association will be turning away uninvited guests. “

Wow, yet Cherrydale residents without students at ASFS had the gall to attend PTA meetings???

Uh, yeah, because PTA membership is open to everyone and Civic Associations are open to residents who live in a certain area. And note, it was the Cherrydale Civic Associaiton who ASKED Lyon Village to come and it was the Ballston-VA Square Civil Association who nixed Lyon Village’s attendance. Try to keep up.

Okay, whatevs. Tacky as hell.

So you would also agree that going to a Civic Association meeting when you are a non-resident would also be tacky as hell? Just trying to figure out why it's tacky for interested people to attend public meetings but not necessarily when interested folks attend private meeting?

If it’s a private meeting they shouldn’t hold it on public property.