What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define "prestige."

If brand name recognition, Chicago, Illinois, Michigan. These schools are prestigious the same way McDonald's, Burger King, KFC are prestigious, recognized all over the world.

For a connoisseur of food, those are fast, junk food. Those with a different taste might name ellBulli, The French Laundry, Le Louis XV, Pierre Gagnaire, Noma, The Fat Duck, Mugaritz.
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For those not concerned with name recognition, I would name Carleton, Oberlin, Grinnell, and Macalester.

UChicago as “fast, junk food,” ?

Now if you’d said UChicago = Faviken, you might have had some credibility.

UChicago is worse than Michigan or Illinois. My step-D who has no business with UChicago received more junk mails from Chicago than all schools combined, with the possible exception of Swarthmore. As a D students, she was told by countless Chicago mass mailings that all she has to do is apply. Chicago gets its prestige, i.e., selectivity, from mass mailing to every HS students in the US - just to reject them. It is worse than Michigan or Illinois who didn't bother sending my step-D so many come-ons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago for sure.

Oberlin for small liberal arts undergrad.

Oberlin? Sorry, no. Carleton and Grinnell.

I've never even heard of those latter two colleges.

If that's true, you are not an authority on colleges in the midwest.

DP: Seriously, most people outside of private or boarding school circles have never heard of these schools. True.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "prestige."

If brand name recognition, Chicago, Illinois, Michigan. These schools are prestigious the same way McDonald's, Burger King, KFC are prestigious, recognized all over the world.

For a connoisseur of food, those are fast, junk food. Those with a different taste might name ellBulli, The French Laundry, Le Louis XV, Pierre Gagnaire, Noma, The Fat Duck, Mugaritz.
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For those not concerned with name recognition, I would name Carleton, Oberlin, Grinnell, and Macalester.

UChicago as “fast, junk food,” ?

Now if you’d said UChicago = Faviken, you might have had some credibility.

UChicago is worse than Michigan or Illinois. My step-D who has no business with UChicago received more junk mails from Chicago than all schools combined, with the possible exception of Swarthmore. As a D students, she was told by countless Chicago mass mailings that all she has to do is apply. Chicago gets its prestige, i.e., selectivity, from mass mailing to every HS students in the US - just to reject them. It is worse than Michigan or Illinois who didn't bother sending my step-D so many come-ons.

PP here. 2 years out of HS, a sophomore in her college of choice, my step-D continues to receive Chicago post cards asking her to apply.

[Anonymous]

So maybe beyond a poorly targeted direct mail campaign to a 'd' student, their ranking as 4th in the world for number of Nobel-winning faculty helps demonstrate U of Chicago's reputation. https://www.bestmastersprograms.org/50-universities-with-the-most-nobel-prize-winners/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago for sure.

Oberlin for small liberal arts undergrad.

Oberlin? Sorry, no. Carleton and Grinnell.

I've never even heard of those latter two colleges.

If that's true, you are not an authority on colleges in the midwest.

DP: Seriously, most people outside of private or boarding school circles have never heard of these schools. True.

Whose fault is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So maybe beyond a poorly targeted direct mail campaign to a 'd' student, their ranking as 4th in the world for number of Nobel-winning faculty helps demonstrate U of Chicago's reputation. https://www.bestmastersprograms.org/50-universities-with-the-most-nobel-prize-winners/

Uh, your list is for grad schools - and universities. Universities exclude liberal arts colleges by definition. Had your list included liberal arts colleges, you'd have seen that adjusted for population size, liberal arts colleges are very competitive - even in the nobel category.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "prestige."

If brand name recognition, Chicago, Illinois, Michigan. These schools are prestigious the same way McDonald's, Burger King, KFC are prestigious, recognized all over the world.

For a connoisseur of food, those are fast, junk food. Those with a different taste might name ellBulli, The French Laundry, Le Louis XV, Pierre Gagnaire, Noma, The Fat Duck, Mugaritz.
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For those not concerned with name recognition, I would name Carleton, Oberlin, Grinnell, and Macalester.

UChicago as “fast, junk food,” ?

Now if you’d said UChicago = Faviken, you might have had some credibility.

UChicago is worse than Michigan or Illinois. My step-D who has no business with UChicago received more junk mails from Chicago than all schools combined, with the possible exception of Swarthmore. As a D students, she was told by countless Chicago mass mailings that all she has to do is apply. Chicago gets its prestige, i.e., selectivity, from mass mailing to every HS students in the US - just to reject them. It is worse than Michigan or Illinois who didn't bother sending my step-D so many come-ons.

Did your stepdaughter apply to UChicago?

[Anonymous]

Last year Oberlin's admission rate was 39% and Carleton's was 19%. That says a lot right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago for sure.

Oberlin for small liberal arts undergrad.

Oberlin? Sorry, no. Carleton and Grinnell.

I've never even heard of those latter two colleges.

If that's true, you are not an authority on colleges in the midwest.

DP: Seriously, most people outside of private or boarding school circles have never heard of these schools. True.

That's not a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "prestige."

If brand name recognition, Chicago, Illinois, Michigan. These schools are prestigious the same way McDonald's, Burger King, KFC are prestigious, recognized all over the world.

For a connoisseur of food, those are fast, junk food. Those with a different taste might name ellBulli, The French Laundry, Le Louis XV, Pierre Gagnaire, Noma, The Fat Duck, Mugaritz.
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For those not concerned with name recognition, I would name Carleton, Oberlin, Grinnell, and Macalester.

UChicago as “fast, junk food,” ?

Now if you’d said UChicago = Faviken, you might have had some credibility.

UChicago is worse than Michigan or Illinois. My step-D who has no business with UChicago received more junk mails from Chicago than all schools combined, with the possible exception of Swarthmore. As a D students, she was told by countless Chicago mass mailings that all she has to do is apply. Chicago gets its prestige, i.e., selectivity, from mass mailing to every HS students in the US - just to reject them. It is worse than Michigan or Illinois who didn't bother sending my step-D so many come-ons.

Did your stepdaughter apply to UChicago?

NO. She had no business applying to Chicago. Had she applied, Chicago would have stopped its mailing campaign. It sends out glossy junk mail - even long after the application cycle ends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "prestige."

If brand name recognition, Chicago, Illinois, Michigan. These schools are prestigious the same way McDonald's, Burger King, KFC are prestigious, recognized all over the world.

For a connoisseur of food, those are fast, junk food. Those with a different taste might name ellBulli, The French Laundry, Le Louis XV, Pierre Gagnaire, Noma, The Fat Duck, Mugaritz.
N
For those not concerned with name recognition, I would name Carleton, Oberlin, Grinnell, and Macalester.

UChicago as “fast, junk food,” ?

Now if you’d said UChicago = Faviken, you might have had some credibility.

UChicago is worse than Michigan or Illinois. My step-D who has no business with UChicago received more junk mails from Chicago than all schools combined, with the possible exception of Swarthmore. As a D students, she was told by countless Chicago mass mailings that all she has to do is apply. Chicago gets its prestige, i.e., selectivity, from mass mailing to every HS students in the US - just to reject them. It is worse than Michigan or Illinois who didn't bother sending my step-D so many come-ons.

Did your stepdaughter apply to UChicago?

NO. She had no business applying to Chicago. Had she applied, Chicago would have stopped its mailing campaign. It sends out glossy junk mail - even long after the application cycle ends.

So the fact that they sent her direct mail had zero impact on UChicago’s selectivity stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "prestige."

If brand name recognition, Chicago, Illinois, Michigan. These schools are prestigious the same way McDonald's, Burger King, KFC are prestigious, recognized all over the world.

For a connoisseur of food, those are fast, junk food. Those with a different taste might name ellBulli, The French Laundry, Le Louis XV, Pierre Gagnaire, Noma, The Fat Duck, Mugaritz.
N
For those not concerned with name recognition, I would name Carleton, Oberlin, Grinnell, and Macalester.

UChicago as “fast, junk food,” ?

Now if you’d said UChicago = Faviken, you might have had some credibility.

UChicago is worse than Michigan or Illinois. My step-D who has no business with UChicago received more junk mails from Chicago than all schools combined, with the possible exception of Swarthmore. As a D students, she was told by countless Chicago mass mailings that all she has to do is apply. Chicago gets its prestige, i.e., selectivity, from mass mailing to every HS students in the US - just to reject them. It is worse than Michigan or Illinois who didn't bother sending my step-D so many come-ons.

Did your stepdaughter apply to UChicago?

NO. She had no business applying to Chicago. Had she applied, Chicago would have stopped its mailing campaign. It sends out glossy junk mail - even long after the application cycle ends.

So the fact that they sent her direct mail had zero impact on UChicago’s selectivity stats.

If you read College Confidential, you'll see this is their MO. Chicago needs students to apply. Selectivity is a function of number of applicants to how many the college accepts/rejects. This is how Chicago went from some 50% accept rate just 10-15 years ago to under 10% now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "prestige."

If brand name recognition, Chicago, Illinois, Michigan. These schools are prestigious the same way McDonald's, Burger King, KFC are prestigious, recognized all over the world.

For a connoisseur of food, those are fast, junk food. Those with a different taste might name ellBulli, The French Laundry, Le Louis XV, Pierre Gagnaire, Noma, The Fat Duck, Mugaritz.
N
For those not concerned with name recognition, I would name Carleton, Oberlin, Grinnell, and Macalester.

UChicago as “fast, junk food,” ?

Now if you’d said UChicago = Faviken, you might have had some credibility.

UChicago is worse than Michigan or Illinois. My step-D who has no business with UChicago received more junk mails from Chicago than all schools combined, with the possible exception of Swarthmore. As a D students, she was told by countless Chicago mass mailings that all she has to do is apply. Chicago gets its prestige, i.e., selectivity, from mass mailing to every HS students in the US - just to reject them. It is worse than Michigan or Illinois who didn't bother sending my step-D so many come-ons.

Did your stepdaughter apply to UChicago?

NO. She had no business applying to Chicago. Had she applied, Chicago would have stopped its mailing campaign. It sends out glossy junk mail - even long after the application cycle ends.

So the fact that they sent her direct mail had zero impact on UChicago’s selectivity stats.

If you read College Confidential, you'll see this is their MO. Chicago needs students to apply. Selectivity is a function of number of applicants to how many the college accepts/rejects. This is how Chicago went from some 50% accept rate just 10-15 years ago to under 10% now.

Alternatively, if Chicago were to stop its mailing campaign to HS students in the US, it's selectivity rate will plummet back down to 40-60% accept rate. There's nothing inherently organic about Chicago's selectivity. Kind of like Venezuela relying its fortune entirely on oil prices. Once the oil prices plummeted, one of the wealthiest countries in S. America went to the dogs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago for sure.

Oberlin for small liberal arts undergrad.

Oberlin? Sorry, no. Carleton and Grinnell.

I've never even heard of those latter two colleges.

If that's true, you are not an authority on colleges in the midwest.

DP: Seriously, most people outside of private or boarding school circles have never heard of these schools. True.

That's not a bad thing.

No, but it's also not midwestern prestige.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago for sure.

Oberlin for small liberal arts undergrad.

Oberlin? Sorry, no. Carleton and Grinnell.

I've never even heard of those latter two colleges.

If that's true, you are not an authority on colleges in the midwest.

DP: Seriously, most people outside of private or boarding school circles have never heard of these schools. True.

That's not a bad thing.

No, but it's also not midwestern prestige.

Depends on who you need to impress. Some people don't care about impressing people who have no idea what Oberlin is.