Why Are Teachers So Resentful?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

If you read the truth as hate, thats really more on you.

And “paying full tuition” may be telling on yourself more than you realize.

You haven’t posted “truth” anywhere on this thread.

Imagine if I went to a thread dedicated to doctors and their frustrations. I then repeatedly post how they are wrong, correcting them about their real experiences while I’ve had none. I also tell them they are entitled and whiny, even though I (once again) have no clue about their profession. I’d come across as ignorant and obnoxious, correct? Well, that’s where we are with your contributions here.

If you read a thread where (some) doctors said they suffered conditions no other professional could endure, and said they were being entitled and whiny, I’d agree with you. And so would those doctors who had any sense of perspective.

There are many teachers on this thread. One teacher wrote one post. Get over it already. Plenty of others have agreed with you that teaching is hard, but not necessarily harder. You selectively ignored ALL of those, presumably because it’s more fun to antagonize hard working teachers. This isn’t an attractive look for you.

(And I STILL wouldn’t ignorantly post on a thread about the challenges of being a doctor. If one actually wrote they have it worse than all other professions, why would I dig in and vehemently disagree? Perhaps they are correct. Or they are writing after a tough, discouraging day… in which case I would offer support. But you and I are different, I suppose.)

And I imagine, as in real life, good teachers are mortified by those who are endlessly calming to be victims, because it makes teachers in general seem entitled and out of touch.

You appear to think being a silent martyr is a qualification for “good teacher.”

Doing a job for which you’ve agreed to the pay and knew the conditions doesn't make you any kind of martyr, silent or otherwise. Taking and doing that job all the while insisting that you suffer in ways no one else could, is entitlement and good teachers rightly call entitlement out.

Another experienced teacher pointed out really early in the thread: if you’re working eighty hours after the first couple years, the problem is between user and keyboard. Others have told you: many professions have unpaid overtime, capricious bosses, and demanding clients.

If your complaints are about things like implementation of special ed in the classroom, political interference in curriculum, yes, those are unique to teaching. But when theres a litany of conditions most other professionals experience diluting the legitimate complaints, it makes teachers appear whiny and entitled. Which? Other teachers dislike and complain to parents and friends about even id you don't believe it.

Its like you went into teaching and all of the complaints are about not being treated like a tech CEO.

PP, you clearly know nothing at all about the teaching profession. We went into teaching to help kids. I know of no job in the tech world where people have their work sabotaged by everyone above them, every day, in every way, and are still held accountable for results.

But this IS so many jobs. SO So many jobs on so many levels. Why do you think it is different elsewhere? I'm a fundraiser for a non-profit. I'm good at it, but oh my gosh! so many people in my org think they are better at it. I have to CONSTANTLY explain how my jobs works, educate them, face constant questioning ,mistakes from consultants. It is all part of the job. Oh - I am supposed to work 35 hours, a week, but lets be real, it is at least 45. so come, on, we all work overtime without pay.

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No, many people don’t. My neighbor works 15-20 hours a week and is paid as full time. (She openly gloats about it.) My DH gets overtime.

Teaching isn’t the ONLY profession that is severely overworked and underpaid. Still, teachers ARE overworked and underpaid. Yet teachers aren’t allowed to say that out loud without getting slammed.

It’s OKAY to acknowledge the challenges of teaching. Seriously, it’s okay. Acknowledging teachers have a demanding job doesn’t detract from your demanding job. But so often a teacher writes something legitimate and it’s dismissed with “you get paid summers. Stop complaining.” (We don’t get paid summers.)

This isn’t a competition. Perhaps the PP made a statement about other professions that can easily be refuted. Fine. But in the same manner that PP shouldn’t have made presumptions about other fields, perhaps people shouldn’t presume they know about teaching.

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Teachers resent the fact that DCUM and it's admin blocks teachers speaking out. Why ask questions if the answers are not liked by Jeff? Free speech?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

If you read the truth as hate, thats really more on you.

And “paying full tuition” may be telling on yourself more than you realize.

You haven’t posted “truth” anywhere on this thread.

Imagine if I went to a thread dedicated to doctors and their frustrations. I then repeatedly post how they are wrong, correcting them about their real experiences while I’ve had none. I also tell them they are entitled and whiny, even though I (once again) have no clue about their profession. I’d come across as ignorant and obnoxious, correct? Well, that’s where we are with your contributions here.

If you read a thread where (some) doctors said they suffered conditions no other professional could endure, and said they were being entitled and whiny, I’d agree with you. And so would those doctors who had any sense of perspective.

There are many teachers on this thread. One teacher wrote one post. Get over it already. Plenty of others have agreed with you that teaching is hard, but not necessarily harder. You selectively ignored ALL of those, presumably because it’s more fun to antagonize hard working teachers. This isn’t an attractive look for you.

(And I STILL wouldn’t ignorantly post on a thread about the challenges of being a doctor. If one actually wrote they have it worse than all other professions, why would I dig in and vehemently disagree? Perhaps they are correct. Or they are writing after a tough, discouraging day… in which case I would offer support. But you and I are different, I suppose.)

And I imagine, as in real life, good teachers are mortified by those who are endlessly calming to be victims, because it makes teachers in general seem entitled and out of touch.

You appear to think being a silent martyr is a qualification for “good teacher.”

Doing a job for which you’ve agreed to the pay and knew the conditions doesn't make you any kind of martyr, silent or otherwise. Taking and doing that job all the while insisting that you suffer in ways no one else could, is entitlement and good teachers rightly call entitlement out.

Another experienced teacher pointed out really early in the thread: if you’re working eighty hours after the first couple years, the problem is between user and keyboard. Others have told you: many professions have unpaid overtime, capricious bosses, and demanding clients.

If your complaints are about things like implementation of special ed in the classroom, political interference in curriculum, yes, those are unique to teaching. But when theres a litany of conditions most other professionals experience diluting the legitimate complaints, it makes teachers appear whiny and entitled. Which? Other teachers dislike and complain to parents and friends about even id you don't believe it.

Its like you went into teaching and all of the complaints are about not being treated like a tech CEO.

PP, you clearly know nothing at all about the teaching profession. We went into teaching to help kids. I know of no job in the tech world where people have their work sabotaged by everyone above them, every day, in every way, and are still held accountable for results.

But this IS so many jobs. SO So many jobs on so many levels. Why do you think it is different elsewhere? I'm a fundraiser for a non-profit. I'm good at it, but oh my gosh! so many people in my org think they are better at it. I have to CONSTANTLY explain how my jobs works, educate them, face constant questioning ,mistakes from consultants. It is all part of the job. Oh - I am supposed to work 35 hours, a week, but lets be real, it is at least 45. so come, on, we all work overtime without pay.

DP.

No, many people don’t. My neighbor works 15-20 hours a week and is paid as full time. (She openly gloats about it.) My DH gets overtime.

Teaching isn’t the ONLY profession that is severely overworked and underpaid. Still, teachers ARE overworked and underpaid. Yet teachers aren’t allowed to say that out loud without getting slammed.

It’s OKAY to acknowledge the challenges of teaching. Seriously, it’s okay. Acknowledging teachers have a demanding job doesn’t detract from your demanding job. But so often a teacher writes something legitimate and it’s dismissed with “you get paid summers. Stop complaining.” (We don’t get paid summers.)

This isn’t a competition. Perhaps the PP made a statement about other professions that can easily be refuted. Fine. But in the same manner that PP shouldn’t have made presumptions about other fields, perhaps people shouldn’t presume they know about teaching.

What does your neighbor do? Is she really in the office for only that long or does she just waste a lot of time during her 40 hour work weekm?

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A lot of time strippers make the big bucks with minimal education and minimal difficult work. Same with pharmaceutical reps who push the adderall and ritaliilins or what ever new pills are popular with the kids. The two professions probably have more uncommon with each other bc pharm reps are not suppose to know science anymore.

Long story short, content teachers make way less, put up with way more bs, admin want false figures and for us to cook the data for free, while students threaten teachers careers with nonsense and classroom violence, as admin blames and retaliates on teachers who make reports of safety concerns. I worked at least 65 hours per week grading 5 foot tall stacks if workbooks on the weekend.

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