Succession - Season 4

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Just realized Willa is also in Mrs. Maisel

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Anonymous wrote:Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

Well we spent three seasons watching him be verbally abusive and manipulative and he has a really terrible temper. And given the fact that he was abused and hit his grandkid and also hit Roman so hard he knocked out a tooth and everyone just lets it go, it’s fair to say he smacked his kids around. The kids were unlikeable. They were also abused. Logan was abused to the point he had whip marks. His kids were abused. Conner marries a hooker half his age who straight up says she’s in it for the money. Kendall stays silent when Logan hits his kid and is an absentee parent, Shiv announces she wants an open marriage and on her wedding night and has a weird “I’ll freeze embryos to shut you up and we’ll talk kids in 15 years” thing going on— and she has to be mid to late 30s. And Roman has some sort of strange sexual hang up. With all the inter generational trauma going, it’s a good thing these 4 aren’t popping out many grandkids.

DP. Good summary, but one quibble - I believe Kendall *did* speak up when Logan hit his kid?

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

He was emotionally abusive toward them. Cold, dismissive, belittling, mean.

This. Logan is incapable of love. Time and time again he would dangle his approval in front of them and then destroy them. He destroyed anyone close to him.

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Anonymous wrote:What's hilarious is this show is supposed to goof and lampoon Murdoch and the right wing apparatus but smug over-invested nitwit viewers think there's there there and hyper-analyze scripts and dialogue to the point of absurdity. The brass behind this show must laugh their butts off. It's JUST a dumb satirical soap opera.

So? What's keeping you watching?

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I don't think Logan is really dead. Rome is in on the hoax.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Logan is really dead. Rome is in on the hoax.

There is no succession, there is no implosion of the right wing propaganda. The old man lives forever and the propaganda keeps flowing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Logan is really dead. Rome is in on the hoax.

There is no succession, there is no implosion of the right wing propaganda. The old man lives forever and the propaganda keeps flowing.

Haha that was what Brian Cox suggested in the Kara swisher succession podcast.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Logan is really dead. Rome is in on the hoax.

Haha, I wondered that too when he was the only one to board the plane to see the body. But what does Logan get out of it?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Logan is really dead. Rome is in on the hoax.

There is no succession, there is no implosion of the right wing propaganda. The old man lives forever and the propaganda keeps flowing.

Haha that was what Brian Cox suggested in the Kara swisher succession podcast.

I am all for plot twists, but I think this would torpedo the career of everyone involved - especially the actors.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

[Anonymous]

Oh snap! PPs bet wrong- both Kerri and Marcia back!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

DP. I loved VEEP too - now that was truly hilarious repartee. The point being made here though, is that the *constant* profanity gets old. Sure, a well-timed, witty put down is always appreciated. But when a conversation consists of f-you, over and over and over, it's really not a conversation at all. And certainly not "hilarious and witty." But do go on about dolts... you seem to be well-versed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh snap! PPs bet wrong- both Kerri and Marcia back!

Well, I wouldn't call Kerry "back." But indeed, Marcia was not shopping in Milan forever. She is mean as a snake. Her interaction with Willa was everything. Oh man.

And I guess there was also a Succession Final Season thread. I'm being annoying, but I called Shiv being pregnant too. At this point that almost seems like it didn't happen. That was crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh snap! PPs bet wrong- both Kerri and Marcia back!

I'm the PP who predicted they'd both be in the works! Y'all told me they were both totally out of the picture but I knew they'd be around.

I was surprised by how the board vote was handled though, with it not even being shows and just seeing the behind the scenes stuff at Logan's apartment with the kids. I get the choice, but I was expecting the vote to be more of a set piece for the show.

I missed the scenes from next week's episode, can anyone summarize?