Succession - Season 4

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

I think it gets lost in the shuffle of Tom being such a weasel, but I think he genuinely cares for Shiv. He always knew that he loved her more than she loved him/she had the upper hand, but he loved her. I think her ask not to be monogamous on their wedding night was a massive blow, but at the end of the day he still wants to be married to Shiv. But he was also panicking, 100%.

[Anonymous]

Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

It's just more pure cringe writing from this corny show. So over the top and insufferable. But couch potatoes act like it's so deep and raw and they really "get it".

[Anonymous]

What's hilarious is this show is supposed to goof and lampoon Murdoch and the right wing apparatus but smug over-invested nitwit viewers think there's there there and hyper-analyze scripts and dialogue to the point of absurdity. The brass behind this show must laugh their butts off. It's JUST a dumb satirical soap opera.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

Lock up connor’s mother
Screw over the kids after dangling CEO in front of them for years, in particular kendall
Logan would be the source of many family relationships DCUM topics, maybe that’s the best answer to your question

[Anonymous]

Why was Siobhan dressed so poorly at the wedding? Not even close to what she wore to her moms wedding. She had her hair in a loose bun. Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why was Siobhan dressed so poorly at the wedding? Not even close to what she wore to her moms wedding. She had her hair in a loose bun. Why?

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/beauty/before-the-huge-twist-a-ponytail-nearly-stole-the-show-on-succession-20230411-p5czhl.html

“A low-maintenance, off-duty ponytail could in a way be seen as the ultimate power move and signalling equal footing with [Shiv’s] male counterparts,” Simmonds says. “She’s busy, she’s important, and for this day or this instance, she doesn’t have time to spend hours at the salon, so she’s putting in as much effort as a man … which is not much at all.”

[Anonymous]

One more- https://www.vogue.com/article/shiv-roy-hair

"Shiv’s ponytail is definitely a sign of how little she cared about this wedding,” New Yorker staff writer Rachel Syme told me via Twitter on Monday, adding: “When you have the money to pay a pro to give you a perfect li’l chignon in the morning but go with the ‘put my hair into a Goody tie’ five minutes before walking in...that’s a statement.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Alan Ruck was so great in this episode. I think he gets an Emmy nom for supporting actor.

+1. Im Gen X. And I think his character is so believable because my first impression of him as an actor was as the wealthy and ignored kid who was a somewhat incompetent follower with a good heart WH in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

He was emotionally abusive toward them. Cold, dismissive, belittling, mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

Well we spent three seasons watching him be verbally abusive and manipulative and he has a really terrible temper. And given the fact that he was abused and hit his grandkid and also hit Roman so hard he knocked out a tooth and everyone just lets it go, it’s fair to say he smacked his kids around. The kids were unlikeable. They were also abused. Logan was abused to the point he had whip marks. His kids were abused. Conner marries a hooker half his age who straight up says she’s in it for the money. Kendall stays silent when Logan hits his kid and is an absentee parent, Shiv announces she wants an open marriage and on her wedding night and has a weird “I’ll freeze embryos to shut you up and we’ll talk kids in 15 years” thing going on— and she has to be mid to late 30s. And Roman has some sort of strange sexual hang up. With all the inter generational trauma going, it’s a good thing these 4 aren’t popping out many grandkids.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]What's hilarious is this show is supposed to goof and lampoon Murdoch and the right wing apparatus but smug over-invested nitwit viewers think there's there there and hyper-analyze scripts and dialogue to the point of absurdity. The brass behind this show must laugh their butts off. It's JUST a dumb satirical soap opera.[/quote]

Not really. The who will be the successor thing, yes. That is a satirical soap opera. But that’s really not the interesting part of the show. The look at power dynamics and family dynamics in the context of wealth and trauma are really interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One more- https://www.vogue.com/article/shiv-roy-hair

"Shiv’s ponytail is definitely a sign of how little she cared about this wedding,” New Yorker staff writer Rachel Syme told me via Twitter on Monday, adding: “When you have the money to pay a pro to give you a perfect li’l chignon in the morning but go with the ‘put my hair into a Goody tie’ five minutes before walking in...that’s a statement.”

Wow, how deep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Help me out with something...

At the end, all the kids were saying, I love you Dad but I can't forgive you.

What exactly did Logan do that was so awful? Do they just all feel entitled to the kingdom? Is that the whole thing, or is it more nuanced or bigger than that?

Lock up connor’s mother
Screw over the kids after dangling CEO in front of them for years, in particular kendall
Logan would be the source of many family relationships DCUM topics, maybe that’s the best answer to your question

+1
DP. I think there's been a lifetime of emotional abuse from Logan to his kids. I actually would welcome a couple of flashback episodes to their childhood/teen years, illustrating exactly what kind of life they had with him.