Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative

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Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

Asian participation in AAP is higher on a percentage basis than White participation. And of course we all know we goes to TJHSST.

If you want to attack AAP and TJ you need to honestly acknowledge who benefits the most from the current AAP and AAP-to-TJ pipeline. It is not White kids. Sorry if that makes your advocacy harder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Its not really the common good if you are taking opportunity away from some kids.

And poor children will still suffer after you've succeeded in dismantling AAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Its not really the common good if you are taking opportunity away from some kids.

And poor children will still suffer after you've succeeded in dismantling AAP.

I'm the person you're responding to and I'm not interested in dismantling AAP - that's someone else.

It is really the common good when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in the program by introducing diverse perspectives to the academic conversation, and when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in gen ed by bringing students with a bit more academic fluency into the classroom. And it's probably better for the kids who are moving because now they're in the position of being leaders in the classroom instead of being on the back end with a bunch of kids who look exactly like them but are just better.

[Anonymous]

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Craven doesn’t mean what you think it means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Its not really the common good if you are taking opportunity away from some kids.

And poor children will still suffer after you've succeeded in dismantling AAP.

I'm the person you're responding to and I'm not interested in dismantling AAP - that's someone else.

It is really the common good when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in the program by introducing diverse perspectives to the academic conversation, and when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in gen ed by bringing students with a bit more academic fluency into the classroom. And it's probably better for the kids who are moving because now they're in the position of being leaders in the classroom instead of being on the back end with a bunch of kids who look exactly like them but are just better.

My kid's perspective is diverse enough (we are not white). I would not want my kid to go back to general ed to be someone else's inspiration for academic fluency or whatever you want to call it. We want the best education that FCPS can offer and that isnt in the general ed room.

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It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Craven doesn’t mean what you think it means.

No, it does. Folks don't want to admit that what they're advocating for is solely for their own interest, but that's what it is. They pretend that the status quo is good for the community, but in reality it's not, and they know it - they're just trying to protect their privileged access and their very limited and self-serving definition of "merit". It wouldn't be craven if they would be open about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Craven doesn’t mean what you think it means.

No, it does. Folks don't want to admit that what they're advocating for is solely for their own interest, but that's what it is. They pretend that the status quo is good for the community, but in reality it's not, and they know it - they're just trying to protect their privileged access and their very limited and self-serving definition of "merit". It wouldn't be craven if they would be open about it.

Craven doesn’t mean that someone is dishonest, as in not admitting why they’re doing something. A person who is craven is a coward. The word craven only refers to a person’s courage of lack of it.

[Anonymous]

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It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Craven doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Maybe the poster meant “brazen” rather than “craven.”
“Brazen” sounds a little like “craven,” and if the person doesn’t have a good vocabulary, he / she might have used “craven” to this somewhat unusual effect. English—never a dull moment!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Craven doesn’t mean what you think it means.

No, it does. Folks don't want to admit that what they're advocating for is solely for their own interest, but that's what it is. They pretend that the status quo is good for the community, but in reality it's not, and they know it - they're just trying to protect their privileged access and their very limited and self-serving definition of "merit". It wouldn't be craven if they would be open about it.

Craven doesn’t mean that someone is dishonest, as in not admitting why they’re doing something. A person who is craven is a coward. The word craven only refers to a person’s courage of lack of it.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Craven doesn’t mean what you think it means.

No, it does. Folks don't want to admit that what they're advocating for is solely for their own interest, but that's what it is. They pretend that the status quo is good for the community, but in reality it's not, and they know it - they're just trying to protect their privileged access and their very limited and self-serving definition of "merit". It wouldn't be craven if they would be open about it.

Craven doesn’t mean that someone is dishonest, as in not admitting why they’re doing something. A person who is craven is a coward. The word craven only refers to a person’s courage of lack of it.

Yes, I'm aware of the usage here. It is intended to convey that exact sentiment. It is cowardly for status-quo advocates to cower behind the word "meritocracy" (which in theory everyone should be in favor of) when what they're really after is their own self-interest.

I chose my words carefully and intentionally. I wouldn't use the word "brazen" because in most cases, they do so behind a cloak of anonymity and are choosing their path because they are fearful of how they'd be perceived if they were honest about wanting to protect their privileged access.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Craven doesn’t mean what you think it means.

No, it does. Folks don't want to admit that what they're advocating for is solely for their own interest, but that's what it is. They pretend that the status quo is good for the community, but in reality it's not, and they know it - they're just trying to protect their privileged access and their very limited and self-serving definition of "merit". It wouldn't be craven if they would be open about it.

Craven doesn’t mean that someone is dishonest, as in not admitting why they’re doing something. A person who is craven is a coward. The word craven only refers to a person’s courage of lack of it.

Yes, I'm aware of the usage here. It is intended to convey that exact sentiment. It is cowardly for status-quo advocates to cower behind the word "meritocracy" (which in theory everyone should be in favor of) when what they're really after is their own self-interest.

I chose my words carefully and intentionally. I wouldn't use the word "brazen" because in most cases, they do so behind a cloak of anonymity and are choosing their path because they are fearful of how they'd be perceived if they were honest about wanting to protect their privileged access.

Okay, fair enough, although that wasn’t completely clear in either your original post or your first explanation of your use if the word. I do find this word to be used incorrectly pretty frequently.

As a side note, I agree with you about AAP. It has become a very different program from what GT used to be and it is not providing the services that it was originally meant to.