DCPS Employee Return to In Person Work Guidance

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Anonymous wrote: The teacher’s union is out of control. Teachers are getting every cent while working virtually - minimally. The can do better and should do better. If they can’t work, fine. But they are just making it that much harder for the teachers who will be willing to come teach in person. Come on, you are a teacher, teach.

It's summer.

Yeah, technically we gave the city an interest free loan all year for our summer pay.

No. Your union-negotiated pay is based on the payment structure. If the union had negotiated for 10 months of pay, you would have gotten paid less. That’s how economics works. You didn’t give the city an interest free loan any more than the city gave you free money in exchange for taking your payments over more time. It was a negotiated outcome where the economic cost to teachers / benefit to the city of teachers getting paid more slowly were very much taken into account. These aren’t unsophisticated parties. Don’t kid yourself.

Well we are in fact paid for 10 months according to contract, so I’m not sure what your economics point is there. And if you look at your pay stub, on each check it subtracts an amount for “summer pay”. It also keeps a nifty total of the amount you’ve contributed YTD so far.

The point is that the arrangement was negotiated by sophisticated parties. If the union had prioritized fighting the payment schedule, you would have earned less, so it’s not an interest free loan in that sense... the interest is baked in.

So you think if teachers each individually had a choice, 10 or 12 month payout, that the people who chose 10 months would be paid less? I've been in districts where you could choose and there as no difference in total pay between 10 and 12 months. It just allowed people to choose whether they wanted more money through out the school year or to be paid over the summer.

Yes. I'm a former private school teacher and we all had the choice between a 10 month and 12 month payout -- of course, the salary was the same, just distributed differently! I think the bolded PP was saying that it is like a loan, because that money remains in the coffers of the city for those 10 months, to be used. It's a loan, which means it must be paid eventually (during the summer).

[Anonymous]

Update just sent from WTU:

The WTU continues to recommend that you DO NOT sign and return the Intent to Return to In-Person learning documents sent to you by DC Public Schools on Tuesday, June 30.

Over the past week, the WTU has taken multiple actions to challenge DCPS’s unilateral distribution of the Return to Work Guidelines and Intent Form. First, on Sunday, July 5, President Davis made a formal bargaining demand and sent a set of information requests regarding the Guidelines and Intent Form to Chancellor Ferebee. Second, on July 7, WTU filed a class grievance over the issue. Third, on July 8, WTU filed a complaint and preliminary injunction motion with the D.C. Public Employee Relations Board (PERB)

As a result of these actions, DCPS informed WTU on July 8 that “[s]taff will not be disciplined for not completing the intent to return form.”

WTU will continue pursuing bargaining and legal actions to ensure that teachers’ health and safety is protected during the COVID-19 pandemic. We will continue to engage in collective bargaining with DCPS over the coming weeks and will provide further updates as they become available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread makes me think of what’s been floating around on social media today- a side by side comparison of two Washington Post articles.
Article 1: “Ryan Zimmerman, citing family’s health, is still deciding whether he will play baseball this season”
Article 2: “Teachers in Fairfax revolt against fall plans, refusing to teach in-person”

So teachers are “revolting” but he’s just a family man trying time do what is best for his family?!?! That’s the spin???

The treatment of teachers in this country is disgusting.

I hope you are a parent. Because I’m going to pretend you are every parent of a child in my classroom. That’ll make it easier to put myself at risk & know that your kids are not safe. I’ll imagine that someone sees this for what it is & cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: The teacher’s union is out of control. Teachers are getting every cent while working virtually - minimally. The can do better and should do better. If they can’t work, fine. But they are just making it that much harder for the teachers who will be willing to come teach in person. Come on, you are a teacher, teach.

Many folks with professional jobs are making every cent- while working virtually. My husband, a fed, is sun tanning naked in the backyard. Has been since 11 am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: The teacher’s union is out of control. Teachers are getting every cent while working virtually - minimally. The can do better and should do better. If they can’t work, fine. But they are just making it that much harder for the teachers who will be willing to come teach in person. Come on, you are a teacher, teach.

Many folks with professional jobs are making every cent- while working virtually. My husband, a fed, is sun tanning naked in the backyard. Has been since 11 am.

Hey, is this the same troll from the fake GS 15 garden all day thread? We were missing your writing style! "we do not work. work are for suckers."

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/892609.page

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Nope. My husband is not a gardener. But he likes a good sun tan! He never wants to go back to the office. I am a DC teacher- and want to go back. I just want it safe.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. My husband is not a gardener. But he likes a good sun tan! He never wants to go back to the office. I am a DC teacher- and want to go back. I just want it safe.

+1

NP but I am a DCPS teacher with a spouse who is really enjoying working from home. He never wants to go back to the office because he works way less at home and makes the same salary.

[Anonymous]

I am also a DC teacher who wants to go back. I hate working from home! But I need DCPS to step up and commit to keeping me safe before I'm comfortable going back to work. Thank goodness we have the union to advocate for us because many of the parents on this thread don't seem to care about the health and well-being of the people who care for their children all day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: The teacher’s union is out of control. Teachers are getting every cent while working virtually - minimally. The can do better and should do better. If they can’t work, fine. But they are just making it that much harder for the teachers who will be willing to come teach in person. Come on, you are a teacher, teach.

It's summer.

Yeah, technically we gave the city an interest free loan all year for our summer pay.

No. Your union-negotiated pay is based on the payment structure. If the union had negotiated for 10 months of pay, you would have gotten paid less. That’s how economics works. You didn’t give the city an interest free loan any more than the city gave you free money in exchange for taking your payments over more time. It was a negotiated outcome where the economic cost to teachers / benefit to the city of teachers getting paid more slowly were very much taken into account. These aren’t unsophisticated parties. Don’t kid yourself. [/quote


If you get paid 69k over 10 months or over 12 months it'd still be 69k.

We are not getting free money, you must not be calculus Karen...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am also a DC teacher who wants to go back. I hate working from home! But I need DCPS to step up and commit to keeping me safe before I'm comfortable going back to work. Thank goodness we have the union to advocate for us because many of the parents on this thread don't seem to care about the health and well-being of the people who care for their children all day.

The worst part is that many parents are working from home and unwilling to go to work because that would mean they would be putting themselves at risk, yet it is fine to throw all the teachers and kids to the wolves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread makes me think of what’s been floating around on social media today- a side by side comparison of two Washington Post articles.
Article 1: “Ryan Zimmerman, citing family’s health, is still deciding whether he will play baseball this season”
Article 2: “Teachers in Fairfax revolt against fall plans, refusing to teach in-person”

So teachers are “revolting” but he’s just a family man trying time do what is best for his family?!?! That’s the spin???

The treatment of teachers in this country is disgusting.

I hope you are a parent. Because I’m going to pretend you are every parent of a child in my classroom. That’ll make it easier to put myself at risk & know that your kids are not safe. I’ll imagine that someone sees this for what it is & cares.

I am a parent and I so appreciate you!!! Returning to work puts you in far more danger than it puts my young son, and that is not lost on me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am also a DC teacher who wants to go back. I hate working from home! But I need DCPS to step up and commit to keeping me safe before I'm comfortable going back to work. Thank goodness we have the union to advocate for us because many of the parents on this thread don't seem to care about the health and well-being of the people who care for their children all day.

The worst part is that many parents are working from home and unwilling to go to work because that would mean they would be putting themselves at risk, yet it is fine to throw all the teachers and kids to the wolves.

But teachers are essential. I want teachers protected just as I want ER doctors protected. I want police and fire people protected and people in the food supply chain. I want lawyers and anyone else who can work from home to do that. I want sports stars and people who cannot work from
home, to stay home and be given fair unemployment. This is all in attempt to keep essential workers safe. Teachers are essential and parents cannot make up for the lost learning and social interactions from distance only education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am also a DC teacher who wants to go back. I hate working from home! But I need DCPS to step up and commit to keeping me safe before I'm comfortable going back to work. Thank goodness we have the union to advocate for us because many of the parents on this thread don't seem to care about the health and well-being of the people who care for their children all day.

The worst part is that many parents are working from home and unwilling to go to work because that would mean they would be putting themselves at risk, yet it is fine to throw all the teachers and kids to the wolves.

But teachers are essential. I want teachers protected just as I want ER doctors protected. I want police and fire people protected and people in the food supply chain. I want lawyers and anyone else who can work from home to do that. I want sports stars and people who cannot work from
home, to stay home and be given fair unemployment. This is all in attempt to keep essential workers safe. Teachers are essential and parents cannot make up for the lost learning and social interactions from distance only education.

I think you are misunderstanding “essential.” Essential are things we can’t live without—food, medical care, etc. My doctor does telehealth visits not because they are just as good as in person but because they can reduce risk that way. Teacher CAN teach remotely. It isn’t perfect or ideal or convenient (like my prenatal health appointments!) but it’s there. You aren’t going to die without in person learning. Though you may want to kill your kids if you’re home with them any longer! -Teacher who wants to go back but also wants guarantees OSSE guidance will be followed.

[Anonymous]

A lot of this boils down to trust, and teachers do not have trust in DCPS to provide the protections needed. This is after years of teachers being told to just deal with violent students, aggressive parents, retaliatory administrators, etc. When a kid who verbally threatens a teacher on a regular basis or throws desks across the room is in your classroom every day regardless of what you do, it is hard to trust the people in charge or think they actually care about your well being.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am also a DC teacher who wants to go back. I hate working from home! But I need DCPS to step up and commit to keeping me safe before I'm comfortable going back to work. Thank goodness we have the union to advocate for us because many of the parents on this thread don't seem to care about the health and well-being of the people who care for their children all day.

The worst part is that many parents are working from home and unwilling to go to work because that would mean they would be putting themselves at risk, yet it is fine to throw all the teachers and kids to the wolves.

But teachers are essential. I want teachers protected just as I want ER doctors protected. I want police and fire people protected and people in the food supply chain. I want lawyers and anyone else who can work from home to do that. I want sports stars and people who cannot work from
home, to stay home and be given fair unemployment. This is all in attempt to keep essential workers safe. Teachers are essential and parents cannot make up for the lost learning and social interactions from distance only education.

I think you are misunderstanding “essential.” Essential are things we can’t live without—food, medical care, etc. My doctor does telehealth visits not because they are just as good as in person but because they can reduce risk that way. Teacher CAN teach remotely. It isn’t perfect or ideal or convenient (like my prenatal health appointments!) but it’s there. You aren’t going to die without in person learning. Though you may want to kill your kids if you’re home with them any longer! -Teacher who wants to go back but also wants guarantees OSSE guidance will be followed.

Perhaps you can teach remotely, but my child can’t learn remotely.