Grandpa from Cruise ship tragedy charged

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps he should not be charged. But neither should the cruise line be sued, for something 99.9999999% of people understand and are safe with. And I loathe cruise ships!

He is not being charged with intentionally harming the child. That would be murder (first or second degree) or manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary).

He is being charge with negligent homicide. In other words causing the death of an individual due to negligent behavior. This is an appropriate charge. He voluntarily bypassed security systems to put his granddaughter into a position of danger and then failed to take appropriate precautions for the situation that he created. He raised her up to a window that she could not reach. He sat her on a railing that was intended to keep adults and children further from the window. He did not check the window that had a railing to keep people away from it to see if there was any danger there. He allowed her to lean over the railing without adequately holding securely to the child. Negligence is a very apt and appropriate description of the sum of his actions.

The charge definitely fits the crime, to a T.

I would have to see that video. If he leaned forward with her in that open window. OMG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He picked her up to see the pretty view and feel the ocean breeze. He knew the window was open.
It’s stupid to try to balance a toddler on a railing (and this railing was chest high). But stupid turns to deadly (and criminal) when you do it at an open window.

This.

Even a color blind person could see and feel (the breeze) the window was open.

We were on the exact same ship and got off the exact same morning the incident happened. We looked out that window each morning after breakfast to check out where we were docked. You feel the breeze as you approach the open window and you notice the pattern of open and closed windows. It’s obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He picked her up to see the pretty view and feel the ocean breeze. He knew the window was open.
It’s stupid to try to balance a toddler on a railing (and this railing was chest high). But stupid turns to deadly (and criminal) when you do it at an open window.

This.

Even a color blind person could see and feel (the breeze) the window was open.

We were on the exact same ship and got off the exact same morning the incident happened. We looked out that window each morning after breakfast to check out where we were docked. You feel the breeze as you approach the open window and you notice the pattern of open and closed windows. It’s obvious.

And the pattern of light (open) and dark (colored glass) is not dependent on distinguishing red from green, or blue from purple. There is a light/dark pattern even if someone were only to see in black, white, and shades of gray.

[Anonymous]

And if grandpa really did have vision issues, why on earth would he make those kinds of royally huge assumptions about windows/glass? He wouldn't reach out first (with child on the floor) and confirm that a window wasn't open? What does he do with windows at people's homes, or elsewhere?!

And even if he did have vision issues, you don't take risks with little kids! The "color blindness" claim only makes him sound more irresponsible, not less.

But I think we all know the answer. He knew the window was open. He was just stupid, dangerous, and lost his grip. Fatally stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps he should not be charged. But neither should the cruise line be sued, for something 99.9999999% of people understand and are safe with. And I loathe cruise ships!

He is not being charged with intentionally harming the child. That would be murder (first or second degree) or manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary).

He is being charge with negligent homicide. In other words causing the death of an individual due to negligent behavior. This is an appropriate charge. He voluntarily bypassed security systems to put his granddaughter into a position of danger and then failed to take appropriate precautions for the situation that he created. He raised her up to a window that she could not reach. He sat her on a railing that was intended to keep adults and children further from the window. He did not check the window that had a railing to keep people away from it to see if there was any danger there. He allowed her to lean over the railing without adequately holding securely to the child. Negligence is a very apt and appropriate description of the sum of his actions.

The charge definitely fits the crime, to a T.

Legally, you are correct.

But I think losing the grandchild and having this on his conscience forever is a punishment that's sufficient.

I do think it's wrong for him and the family (and ambulance lawyer) to blame the cruise ship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps he should not be charged. But neither should the cruise line be sued, for something 99.9999999% of people understand and are safe with. And I loathe cruise ships!

He is not being charged with intentionally harming the child. That would be murder (first or second degree) or manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary).

He is being charge with negligent homicide. In other words causing the death of an individual due to negligent behavior. This is an appropriate charge. He voluntarily bypassed security systems to put his granddaughter into a position of danger and then failed to take appropriate precautions for the situation that he created. He raised her up to a window that she could not reach. He sat her on a railing that was intended to keep adults and children further from the window. He did not check the window that had a railing to keep people away from it to see if there was any danger there. He allowed her to lean over the railing without adequately holding securely to the child. Negligence is a very apt and appropriate description of the sum of his actions.

The charge definitely fits the crime, to a T.

Legally, you are correct.

But I think losing the grandchild and having this on his conscience forever is a punishment that's sufficient.

I do think it's wrong for him and the family (and ambulance lawyer) to blame the cruise ship.

We should do away with prisons for this very reason. The guilt is punishment enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps he should not be charged. But neither should the cruise line be sued, for something 99.9999999% of people understand and are safe with. And I loathe cruise ships!

He is not being charged with intentionally harming the child. That would be murder (first or second degree) or manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary).

He is being charge with negligent homicide. In other words causing the death of an individual due to negligent behavior. This is an appropriate charge. He voluntarily bypassed security systems to put his granddaughter into a position of danger and then failed to take appropriate precautions for the situation that he created. He raised her up to a window that she could not reach. He sat her on a railing that was intended to keep adults and children further from the window. He did not check the window that had a railing to keep people away from it to see if there was any danger there. He allowed her to lean over the railing without adequately holding securely to the child. Negligence is a very apt and appropriate description of the sum of his actions.

The charge definitely fits the crime, to a T.

Legally, you are correct.

But I think losing the grandchild and having this on his conscience forever is a punishment that's sufficient.

I do think it's wrong for him and the family (and ambulance lawyer) to blame the cruise ship.

We should do away with prisons for this very reason. The guilt is punishment enough.

Not if he did it on purpose. I love it when people assume everyone has normal, healthy emotions. They do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps he should not be charged. But neither should the cruise line be sued, for something 99.9999999% of people understand and are safe with. And I loathe cruise ships!

He is not being charged with intentionally harming the child. That would be murder (first or second degree) or manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary).

He is being charge with negligent homicide. In other words causing the death of an individual due to negligent behavior. This is an appropriate charge. He voluntarily bypassed security systems to put his granddaughter into a position of danger and then failed to take appropriate precautions for the situation that he created. He raised her up to a window that she could not reach. He sat her on a railing that was intended to keep adults and children further from the window. He did not check the window that had a railing to keep people away from it to see if there was any danger there. He allowed her to lean over the railing without adequately holding securely to the child. Negligence is a very apt and appropriate description of the sum of his actions.

The charge definitely fits the crime, to a T.

Legally, you are correct.

But I think losing the grandchild and having this on his conscience forever is a punishment that's sufficient.

I do think it's wrong for him and the family (and ambulance lawyer) to blame the cruise ship.

Not if he was negligent.

If he wasn't competent then the parents are negligent for leaving her in his care.

[Anonymous]

It would be like driving your toddler to the side of a busy highway, taking her out of the car, letting her go and then acting SHOCKED when she toddled into oncoming traffic.

You don't put tiny children into precarious situations like that. You just don't do that.

Now he's saying it happened because he's color blind??? Unreal. How does a grief stricken man come up with so many danged excuses?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be like driving your toddler to the side of a busy highway, taking her out of the car, letting her go and then acting SHOCKED when she toddled into oncoming traffic.

You don't put tiny children into precarious situations like that. You just don't do that.

Now he's saying it happened because he's color blind??? Unreal. How does a grief stricken man come up with so many danged excuses?

Yeah, something is fishy here and it's not the smell of the ocean coming in through the open window....

[Anonymous]

Another window angle. At very best, the grandfather is an absolute moron. Dirt, glare, tint, even a colorblind person know that the window was open. Even a blind person would feel the air and hear sound from outside. And highly convenient that video shows him going to the only open window.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He picked her up to see the pretty view and feel the ocean breeze. He knew the window was open.
It’s stupid to try to balance a toddler on a railing (and this railing was chest high). But stupid turns to deadly (and criminal) when you do it at an open window.

+1 he thought he was being "cool grandpa" giving the child the excitement of the breeze and view -- until she used her legs to push out of his grip. Toddlers' legs are the strongest part of their bodies -- they are working on walking -- and when they have something to push off of, they can be very hard to hold on to. And it's also possible that gramps was distracted by the view or by the other people in the area or other family members looking around that deck.

It's not enough to say "he has suffered from the loss of the child." If that were the case, then no one would ever cause a child's death.... and yet, they do. Remorse is not sufficient.

[Anonymous]

He keeps trying to get the public on his side.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/us/grandfather-opens-up-about-toddler-fall/index.html

And he specifically says he stood her up on the railing. Shocker.

[Anonymous]

It's not enough to say "he has suffered from the loss of the child." If that were the case, then no one would ever cause a child's death.... and yet, they do. Remorse is not sufficient.

x 1 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He keeps trying to get the public on his side.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/us/grandfather-opens-up-about-toddler-fall/index.html

And he specifically says he stood her up on the railing. Shocker.

It’s disgusting. He’s trying to play the victim.