Gonzaga Kairos Vandalism

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Knowing which "sport/team was represented in the group of vandals" should have no bearing on whether or not you decide to send your son to Gonzaga.

Why do you say that? If my kid were very focused on his sport and planned to play it in HS, and I found out that a majority of the kids actively involved in the vandalism played that same sport, it would definitely make me think twice about sending him. As the PP noted, different schools and teams can have different cultures, and that's something it makes perfect sense to investigate if sports are your kid's primary extracurricular.

Just to be clear, you'd be okay sending your son to a school that has teams with bad cultures, so long as those teams aren't the ones your son plans on being apart of?

DP but yes of course that would be OK. For example, if I knew the rugby team had a drinking culture but my son played only soccer and that team's culture was good, then the Rugby team culture would not dissuade me from sending my son (assuming the school was otherwise the best choice).

For clarity - it wasn't rugby - it was entitled lacrosse players and they are banned from the team this spring... so not expelled - leadership is lacking

Emphasis on "assuming the school was otherwise the best choice." Fair point. I guess my point is, if the administration allowed the rugby team (in your example) to develop a culture so bad it would cause prospective parents to second guess an acceptance, is that even the type of school you'd want to be affiliated with in the first place?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Knowing which "sport/team was represented in the group of vandals" should have no bearing on whether or not you decide to send your son to Gonzaga.

Why do you say that? If my kid were very focused on his sport and planned to play it in HS, and I found out that a majority of the kids actively involved in the vandalism played that same sport, it would definitely make me think twice about sending him. As the PP noted, different schools and teams can have different cultures, and that's something it makes perfect sense to investigate if sports are your kid's primary extracurricular.

Just to be clear, you'd be okay sending your son to a school that has teams with bad cultures, so long as those teams aren't the ones your son plans on being apart of?

DP but yes of course that would be OK. For example, if I knew the rugby team had a drinking culture but my son played only soccer and that team's culture was good, then the Rugby team culture would not dissuade me from sending my son (assuming the school was otherwise the best choice).

For clarity - it wasn't rugby - it was entitled lacrosse players and they are banned from the team this spring... so not expelled - leadership is lacking
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Emphasis on "assuming the school was otherwise the best choice." Fair point. I guess my point is, if the administration allowed the rugby team (in your example) to develop a culture so bad it would cause prospective parents to second guess an acceptance, is that even the type of school you'd want to be affiliated with in the first place?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Knowing which "sport/team was represented in the group of vandals" should have no bearing on whether or not you decide to send your son to Gonzaga.

Why do you say that? If my kid were very focused on his sport and planned to play it in HS, and I found out that a majority of the kids actively involved in the vandalism played that same sport, it would definitely make me think twice about sending him. As the PP noted, different schools and teams can have different cultures, and that's something it makes perfect sense to investigate if sports are your kid's primary extracurricular.

Just to be clear, you'd be okay sending your son to a school that has teams with bad cultures, so long as those teams aren't the ones your son plans on being apart of?

I might be. It depends on the circumstances, and all the other variables that go into the decision. There are a lot of good schools that have a problem grade or a problem team. For teams, there are definitely examples you can find of coaches who don't establish what I'd consider a great team culture, but stay on because they are successful and revered by former players and alums. I wouldn't automatically condemn an entire school for retaining those type of coaches barring any incidents of abuse, but I'd probably pick another school if it is equally good in other ways but has a healthier team dynamic for the sport my kid wants to play.

You sound like a rational and sane person. You don't belong here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Earlier in the comments on this post, someone referenced baseball...

Gonzaga parent here. Heard it was a combo of boys from the lacrosse and baseball teams. Star players involved w/elite college aspirations so doubt expulsions will be the punishment (though it should be).

As a Gonzaga parent you don’t know the truth. Please stop spreading rumors. If you are a current parent please just stop.

NP here and GZ parent. The majority of the students involved were from one particular sport. It was neither of the sports mentioned so far in this thread. I will leave it at that.

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+2 The boys were not from either of the two teams named above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Earlier in the comments on this post, someone referenced baseball...

Gonzaga parent here. Heard it was a combo of boys from the lacrosse and baseball teams. Star players involved w/elite college aspirations so doubt expulsions will be the punishment (though it should be).

As a Gonzaga parent you don’t know the truth. Please stop spreading rumors. If you are a current parent please just stop.

NP here and GZ parent. The majority of the students involved were from one particular sport. It was neither of the sports mentioned so far in this thread. I will leave it at that.

Not true - lacrosse is impacted

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+2 The boys were not from either of the two teams named above.

[Anonymous]

Not true - lacrosse is impacted

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Earlier in the comments on this post, someone referenced baseball...

Gonzaga parent here. Heard it was a combo of boys from the lacrosse and baseball teams. Star players involved w/elite college aspirations so doubt expulsions will be the punishment (though it should be).

As a Gonzaga parent you don’t know the truth. Please stop spreading rumors. If you are a current parent please just stop.

NP here and GZ parent. The majority of the students involved were from one particular sport. It was neither of the sports mentioned so far in this thread. I will leave it at that.

Not true - lacrosse is impacted

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+2 The boys were not from either of the two teams named above.

Yes absolutely there were a couple lacrosse players caught up in this but all indications are they were more bystanders than instigators.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Earlier in the comments on this post, someone referenced baseball...

Gonzaga parent here. Heard it was a combo of boys from the lacrosse and baseball teams. Star players involved w/elite college aspirations so doubt expulsions will be the punishment (though it should be).

As a Gonzaga parent you don’t know the truth. Please stop spreading rumors. If you are a current parent please just stop.

NP here and GZ parent. The majority of the students involved were from one particular sport. It was neither of the sports mentioned so far in this thread. I will leave it at that.

Not true - lacrosse is impacted

+1

+2 The boys were not from either of the two teams named above.

Yes absolutely there were a couple lacrosse players caught up in this but all indications are they were more bystanders than instigators.

The primary instigators definitely are from a team but it isn't lax. Our sons tell us that a lot of the other boys who were there, yes including those from other teams, got caught up in the role of bystanders as news of the incident spread through the group attending Kairos. Word was that it was begun and continued by a core group and then other guys found out about it. They didn't all participate but unfortunately they didn't move to directly stop it either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Our son is a rising freshman and GZ is one of 3 schools to which he applied. Not presuming he's accepted, but truly to help us in our decision matrix, are you able to share which sport/team was represented in the group of vandals? Is there someplace we can find out the "cultures" of the different sports teams? Please don't beat me up over this question. Thanks.

Earlier in the comments on this post, someone referenced baseball...

Gonzaga parent here. Heard it was a combo of boys from the lacrosse and baseball teams. Star players involved w/elite college aspirations so doubt expulsions will be the punishment (though it should be).

As a Gonzaga parent you don’t know the truth. Please stop spreading rumors. If you are a current parent please just stop.

NP here and GZ parent. The majority of the students involved were from one particular sport. It was neither of the sports mentioned so far in this thread. I will leave it at that.

Not true - lacrosse is impacted

+1

+2 The boys were not from either of the two teams named above.

Yes absolutely there were a couple lacrosse players caught up in this but all indications are they were more bystanders than instigators.

The primary instigators definitely are from a team but it isn't lax. Our sons tell us that a lot of the other boys who were there, yes including those from other teams, got caught up in the role of bystanders as news of the incident spread through the group attending Kairos. Word was that it was begun and continued by a core group and then other guys found out about it. They didn't all participate but unfortunately they didn't move to directly stop it either.

I should add that our guys are recent alums. I don't want to start a witch hunt for current brothers and cause secondary problems. It really sounds like a case of herd mentality and peer pressure with no one making a move to stop the madness or to tell an adult.

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Yes absolutely there were a couple lacrosse players caught up in this but all indications are they were more bystanders than instigators.

The primary instigators definitely are from a team but it isn't lax. Our sons tell us that a lot of the other boys who were there, yes including those from other teams, got caught up in the role of bystanders as news of the incident spread through the group attending Kairos. Word was that it was begun and continued by a core group and then other guys found out about it. They didn't all participate but unfortunately they didn't move to directly stop it either.

The members of the core group should be expelled. Full stop. This destruction occurred at a religious event (of all things) over the course of 2 days. There is NO excuse for any of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes absolutely there were a couple lacrosse players caught up in this but all indications are they were more bystanders than instigators.

The primary instigators definitely are from a team but it isn't lax. Our sons tell us that a lot of the other boys who were there, yes including those from other teams, got caught up in the role of bystanders as news of the incident spread through the group attending Kairos. Word was that it was begun and continued by a core group and then other guys found out about it. They didn't all participate but unfortunately they didn't move to directly stop it either.

The members of the core group should be expelled. Full stop. This destruction occurred at a religious event (of all things) over the course of 2 days. There is NO excuse for any of it.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Sadly, it won’t happen. Daddy’s checkbook will save the day.

[Anonymous]

So do we want to win lacrosse games or raise responsible human beings.

Decisions decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So do we want to win lacrosse games or raise responsible human beings.

Decisions decisions.

It wasn't lacrosse players. The core group was from a different team. Agreed that the core group needs to be disciplined through expulsion.

[Anonymous]

Actually, there were some lacrosse players. Regardless, it was a collection of several students, those who play sports and those who don't play sports.