Tuckahoe by the numbers - how can it stay a neighborhood school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

[Anonymous]

What does that say for Key's location, since that study has it going up to 749. Right under 750!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does that say for Key's location, since that study has it going up to 749. Right under 750!

I'm virtually certain they are going to move Key- and honestly I have not heard any real opposition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that say for Key's location, since that study has it going up to 749. Right under 750!

I'm virtually certain they are going to move Key- and honestly I have not heard any real opposition.

I would imagine the 1/2 of the school which are currently neighborhood attendees would oppose it. But we have heard NOTHING from our PTA about Key moving, so how could we oppose it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

What is difference between preferred and maximum? Key max is HUGE, but preferred is smaller than nottingham. Is the lot at Key really that big?

" It’s too soon to tell if the current option school sites can meet the demand for option school enrollment. – Families have applied for the lottery to multiple schools. – Once families accept option seats, we will get a better sense of whether current school sites can meet the current demand"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

Regardless of which school they use, which option school would they move there? Claremont? They can't move ATS, there's virtually no walk zone there so it would create a transportation crunch. Campbell pretty much needs to stay where it is. Key's enrollment is tied to the eastern part of the county so you can't move it west. Drew draws so heavily south Arlington schools, I think the families there would rightfully go nuts if their kids were moved to the other side of the county.

Given how heavily they emphasized transportation issues, I don't see how it could be Nottingham, that's 285 kids who aren't currently walkable anywhere else. Even if you could arguably send a few dozen more to Tuckahoe, that still means adding 4-5 new bus routes. Despite the lack of mass transit, if they don't move something to Tuckahoe, I suspect they'll look at Jamestown before Nottingham. Only 100 dedicated walkers and it could go up to 835 (which means that if you put enough trailers on to get to 750, they'll still have decent green space).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that say for Key's location, since that study has it going up to 749. Right under 750!

I'm virtually certain they are going to move Key- and honestly I have not heard any real opposition.

I would imagine the 1/2 of the school which are currently neighborhood attendees would oppose it. But we have heard NOTHING from our PTA about Key moving, so how could we oppose it?

Exactly. Hard to oppose something that isn't even a formal proposal yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

Regardless of which school they use, which option school would they move there? Claremont? They can't move ATS, there's virtually no walk zone there so it would create a transportation crunch. Campbell pretty much needs to stay where it is. Key's enrollment is tied to the eastern part of the county so you can't move it west. Drew draws so heavily south Arlington schools, I think the families there would rightfully go nuts if their kids were moved to the other side of the county.

Given how heavily they emphasized transportation issues, I don't see how it could be Nottingham, that's 285 kids who aren't currently walkable anywhere else. Even if you could arguably send a few dozen more to Tuckahoe, that still means adding 4-5 new bus routes. Despite the lack of mass transit, if they don't move something to Tuckahoe, I suspect they'll look at Jamestown before Nottingham. Only 100 dedicated walkers and it could go up to 835 (which means that if you put enough trailers on to get to 750, they'll still have decent green space).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

What is difference between preferred and maximum? Key max is HUGE, but preferred is smaller than nottingham. Is the lot at Key really that big?

" It’s too soon to tell if the current option school sites can meet the demand for option school enrollment. – Families have applied for the lottery to multiple schools. – Once families accept option seats, we will get a better sense of whether current school sites can meet the current demand"

Ah yes, the families with a strong interest in Montessori, Expeditionary Learning, Traditional Methods, AND Immersion! It's not at all about getting away from a bad neighborhood school!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

What is difference between preferred and maximum? Key max is HUGE, but preferred is smaller than nottingham. Is the lot at Key really that big?

" It’s too soon to tell if the current option school sites can meet the demand for option school enrollment. – Families have applied for the lottery to multiple schools. – Once families accept option seats, we will get a better sense of whether current school sites can meet the current demand"

I believe it has to do with the capacity of shared spaces, particularly cafeterias. The maximum is how many seats you'd have if you look just at classroom seats, the preferred number caps this based on how many students could be served by three full seatings in the cafeteria to avoid kids eating lunch an hour after they get to school or 30 minutes before dismissal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

Regardless of which school they use, which option school would they move there? Claremont? They can't move ATS, there's virtually no walk zone there so it would create a transportation crunch. Campbell pretty much needs to stay where it is. Key's enrollment is tied to the eastern part of the county so you can't move it west. Drew draws so heavily south Arlington schools, I think the families there would rightfully go nuts if their kids were moved to the other side of the county.

Given how heavily they emphasized transportation issues, I don't see how it could be Nottingham, that's 285 kids who aren't currently walkable anywhere else. Even if you could arguably send a few dozen more to Tuckahoe, that still means adding 4-5 new bus routes. Despite the lack of mass transit, if they don't move something to Tuckahoe, I suspect they'll look at Jamestown before Nottingham. Only 100 dedicated walkers and it could go up to 835 (which means that if you put enough trailers on to get to 750, they'll still have decent green space).

I wouldn't assume that the 'east' 'west' divide is staying. At least that has not been listed as a criteria.
I also would tend to think there are two pieces of bad news for campbell in this presentation.
1. Staff says that from an instructional perspective any school can go anywhere.
2. the campbell site only goes to 628

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that say for Key's location, since that study has it going up to 749. Right under 750!

I'm virtually certain they are going to move Key- and honestly I have not heard any real opposition.

I would imagine the 1/2 of the school which are currently neighborhood attendees would oppose it. But we have heard NOTHING from our PTA about Key moving, so how could we oppose it?

Exactly. Hard to oppose something that isn't even a formal proposal yet.

the lack of a formal proposal hasn' stopped ATS parents, Campbell parents, and Tuckahoe parents from rallying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

Regardless of which school they use, which option school would they move there? Claremont? They can't move ATS, there's virtually no walk zone there so it would create a transportation crunch. Campbell pretty much needs to stay where it is. Key's enrollment is tied to the eastern part of the county so you can't move it west. Drew draws so heavily south Arlington schools, I think the families there would rightfully go nuts if their kids were moved to the other side of the county.

Given how heavily they emphasized transportation issues, I don't see how it could be Nottingham, that's 285 kids who aren't currently walkable anywhere else. Even if you could arguably send a few dozen more to Tuckahoe, that still means adding 4-5 new bus routes. Despite the lack of mass transit, if they don't move something to Tuckahoe, I suspect they'll look at Jamestown before Nottingham. Only 100 dedicated walkers and it could go up to 835 (which means that if you put enough trailers on to get to 750, they'll still have decent green space).

I wouldn't assume that the 'east' 'west' divide is staying. At least that has not been listed as a criteria.
I also would tend to think there are two pieces of bad news for campbell in this presentation.
1. Staff says that from an instructional perspective any school can go anywhere.
2. the campbell site only goes to 628

The presentation doesn't say all option schools must have the capacity to go to 750, it says it's looking for sites that can go that high as needed to manage enrollment. If you move Campbell to a school that doesn't have the same facilities and resources and that's so much further away from south Arlington, I think there's a risk they'll see a significant drop in program applications. If they can't fill the seats, there's zero value to having 750 of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it looks like the staff previewed where they were headed to the FAC on Monday-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FAC-April-9.pdf

One thing that is interesting in this presentation, is that it lists as a criteria for moving an option school a site that has the ability to grow to at least 750 with relocatables.
This may be the saving of Tuckahoe b/c its preferred growth with relocatables is only 641. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Facilities-Optimization-Study.pdf

Nottingham can go to 801.

Regardless of which school they use, which option school would they move there? Claremont? They can't move ATS, there's virtually no walk zone there so it would create a transportation crunch. Campbell pretty much needs to stay where it is. Key's enrollment is tied to the eastern part of the county so you can't move it west. Drew draws so heavily south Arlington schools, I think the families there would rightfully go nuts if their kids were moved to the other side of the county.

Given how heavily they emphasized transportation issues, I don't see how it could be Nottingham, that's 285 kids who aren't currently walkable anywhere else. Even if you could arguably send a few dozen more to Tuckahoe, that still means adding 4-5 new bus routes. Despite the lack of mass transit, if they don't move something to Tuckahoe, I suspect they'll look at Jamestown before Nottingham. Only 100 dedicated walkers and it could go up to 835 (which means that if you put enough trailers on to get to 750, they'll still have decent green space).

I wouldn't assume that the 'east' 'west' divide is staying. At least that has not been listed as a criteria.
I also would tend to think there are two pieces of bad news for campbell in this presentation.
1. Staff says that from an instructional perspective any school can go anywhere.
2. the campbell site only goes to 628

East/west isn't listed in the criteria, but there are a number of logistical problems with getting rid of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that say for Key's location, since that study has it going up to 749. Right under 750!

I'm virtually certain they are going to move Key- and honestly I have not heard any real opposition.

I would imagine the 1/2 of the school which are currently neighborhood attendees would oppose it. But we have heard NOTHING from our PTA about Key moving, so how could we oppose it?

Exactly. Hard to oppose something that isn't even a formal proposal yet.

the lack of a formal proposal hasn' stopped ATS parents, Campbell parents, and Tuckahoe parents from rallying.

Not shocking, considering the makeup of those schools. Far fewer Key families are on DCUM or reading the entire apsva website every day. I'll give you one guess why.