2016 AAP admissions Thread

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Anonymous wrote:Not in, and not happy about it. Will be appealing.

NNAT 130
CoGat 131
GBRS 14

This is shocking!

Not sure, why this is shocking? NNAT and CoGAT are below in pool score, only GBRS is high. Need good scores on 2 of 3, preferably on GBRS and CoGAT which are valued higher than NNAT.

How about 119 nnat, 129 cogat 12gbrs and in? When such chilkd gets in and the child above did not, that is what shocking.

[Anonymous]

No one should base who gets in based on an anonymous board (NP here). Surprise but not every posting is true! Just the nature of this forum. Op obviously you will do what you want though by reading through the thread you were only seeking affirmation and were quit upset to hear otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not in, and not happy about it. Will be appealing.

NNAT 130
CoGat 131
GBRS 14

This is shocking!

Not sure, why this is shocking? NNAT and CoGAT are below in pool score, only GBRS is high. Need good scores on 2 of 3, preferably on GBRS and CoGAT which are valued higher than NNAT.

PP is talking out of his/her ass.

The bolded one is talking out of her ass? Um...but isn't that the apparent same reasoning of the committee?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was the poster at 4.01. Thank you all for your responses.

Where do you inquire about testing for other than WSIC tests? Someone mentioned a Woodcock Johnson test, as well as inquiring about the Lever III services (are these part-time, as in like the same as a 'guest' in the program?) Our school has Level IV services and we have a designated AAP Center as well. How to go about inquiring (with the AART or with the Principal directly) either about 'guesting' in the program or part-time services? I understand there could be re-testing done for CogAT at the school itself, once in the 3rd-7th grades (so once in those 5 years). Does anyone know when that can be requested or is it school-specific?

It seems that my best bet is to hope for a high WSIC score. I do not want to prep my child as my intention truly is to see how capable he is - the testing needs to be novel to him. I will also want to manage my expectations - a good point from the earlier poster - about WSIC. Perhaps my child excels in only 1 area and that is fine and he may get advanced services in that area. If we do not get into AAP, the life will go on and we will make sure our son matures. Someone noted offering him extracurricular opportunities - he has done that consistently since K, taking a variety of school enrichment programs. I am told his chess club instructor thinks he reasons and strategizes really well. He is on a swim team and his coach is impressed with his dedication. I assume letters from extracurricular activities like this should be helpful in the appeals package. BUT a lot of discussants also say that this is an ACADEMIC not extracurricular placement and what matters ultimately and above all is STRONG math and STRONG writing/reading. We are strong in math and we read above grade level. How did that translate into GBRS as low as 6 is completely stumping us.

Can someone please post a few examples of what they have done on appeals if their scores were SIMILAR or IDENTICAL to ours? (NNAT 104, CogAT 111, GBRS 6 (he is clearly not the teacher's favorite student); WSIC testing pending). Did they do WSIC and other tests and if the latter, where and with what testing and results turnaround? What WSIC score did they get? Were they successful with the appeals process?

I was also shocked at the samples the school selected for the screening file. My child spontaneously produces much better samples at home. I do plan to show strong samples from home but wonder if the central committee will see them as 'controlled' since the will come from home.

Thank you all for your input.

What was the WISC score?

[Anonymous]

Hello, I have the very same score like yours. GBRS is 8 . We are appealing with high WISC score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello, I have the very same score like yours. GBRS is 8 . We are appealing with high WISC score.

142

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NNAT 158
CoGAT 146

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:AAP Committee is smart enough to identify kids who just got score but can not sit quietly to listen and follow for 20 mins in the class room. It is not just about the score but overall kids behavior in the class, ability to learn new things and adapt with class teachers and peers.

You are going to be very disappointed if you think AAP is a quiet, well behaved class of kids who know how to sit and be quiet.

AAP classes are generally full of high strung, hyperactive, busy, fidgiting, emotional and energetic kids. Many of the highest performing kids are also 2E which brings another set of challenge to the AAP classroom.

If you want the studious, well behaved, quiet, teacher pleaser classrooms, AAP is probably not for you or your child.

Thank you for so beautifully describing my kids so well!

I have heard this for years but don't really agree that it is really more for the 2e kids or that much of the class if hyperactive. Out of the 32 in my kids' classes the last few years, there were probably 7-8 like that. Most were not, but plenty were. Not a big deal, because you'll have all types in classes along the way.

I can attest that my kids' AAP classes were "full of high strung, hyperactive, busy, fidgiting, emotional and energetic kids" for their years in AAP centers.

I have 2 kids in AAP and 1 that just got in. I have always been a volunteer in class. I have witness typical child behavior of Kids getting into trouble. I have witness obvious autistic kids. I have witness keep clearly struggling And much slower than the majority of the class. But in 9 years of volunteering I have never witness any behavior that is a big deal. Kids in AAP are very quick learners and need little to zero explanation of new math topics or any subject. They are kids that are quick learners at everything. Some are best at literature, all are quick math learners. Some much quicker than others. They all know random information and many kids in 3rd grade know such random information as, which painting hangs in which museums through out the world. There are 3rd grade computer programmers. There are kids who may be smart, AAP is not for smart kids, nor is it for bright kids. It is definitely not for those kids who need to be taught And instructed by a teacher more than than 1 time. It is for very quick learners who do not need to be instructed more than once and are able to test on subjects with little to zero review and still get good grades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was the poster at 4.01. Thank you all for your responses.

Where do you inquire about testing for other than WSIC tests? Someone mentioned a Woodcock Johnson test, as well as inquiring about the Lever III services (are these part-time, as in like the same as a 'guest' in the program?) Our school has Level IV services and we have a designated AAP Center as well. How to go about inquiring (with the AART or with the Principal directly) either about 'guesting' in the program or part-time services? I understand there could be re-testing done for CogAT at the school itself, once in the 3rd-7th grades (so once in those 5 years). Does anyone know when that can be requested or is it school-specific?

It seems that my best bet is to hope for a high WSIC score. I do not want to prep my child as my intention truly is to see how capable he is - the testing needs to be novel to him. I will also want to manage my expectations - a good point from the earlier poster - about WSIC. Perhaps my child excels in only 1 area and that is fine and he may get advanced services in that area. If we do not get into AAP, the life will go on and we will make sure our son matures. Someone noted offering him extracurricular opportunities - he has done that consistently since K, taking a variety of school enrichment programs. I am told his chess club instructor thinks he reasons and strategizes really well. He is on a swim team and his coach is impressed with his dedication. I assume letters from extracurricular activities like this should be helpful in the appeals package. BUT a lot of discussants also say that this is an ACADEMIC not extracurricular placement and what matters ultimately and above all is STRONG math and STRONG writing/reading. We are strong in math and we read above grade level. How did that translate into GBRS as low as 6 is completely stumping us.

Can someone please post a few examples of what they have done on appeals if their scores were SIMILAR or IDENTICAL to ours? (NNAT 104, CogAT 111, GBRS 6 (he is clearly not the teacher's favorite student); WSIC testing pending). Did they do WSIC and other tests and if the latter, where and with what testing and results turnaround? What WSIC score did they get? Were they successful with the appeals process?

I was also shocked at the samples the school selected for the screening file. My child spontaneously produces much better samples at home. I do plan to show strong samples from home but wonder if the central committee will see them as 'controlled' since the will come from home.

Thank you all for your input.

What was the WISC score?

I will tell you these scores are 20 + points below those who are in AAP. Some maybe 30+ points lower. There will be no students in AAP with similar scores, unless someone is messing with you. There are many trolls on here. First, you will have to get an IQ test completed and to over come these scores, the score has to be in the 130s. In a typical gifted program, the bottom or threshold to enter is a IQ of 130. On NNAT, CoGAT IQ test the top score is around 160. It is not a 104 out of 100 nor is is a 111 out of 100. It is more like 104 out of 160 and a 111 out of 160. Many parents on here are very familiar with this type of scoring, they were also in gifted etc. Again, if you get rude responses from your question on your child's score you have have to understand those scores are not even close to consideration. The GBRS is a 6 out of 16. They take to top 99-98% of the county. On your test score you reci bed back there is a county percentage and a national percentage. Your child may me 95% in the Nation and only 90% in the county. Or 98% in the Nation and 95% in the county. This is a very smart region.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to give some advice to parents who are considering the appeal. First, with respect to my son currently in 2nd grade, I am still waiting to find out if he got into AAP (zip code 22101 and can't believe I haven't heard yet). I have twins and one of them we are trying for AAP and one we are not (as AAP is definitely not appropriate for him - he is so smart, but has learning disabilities and we don't want his confidence and enjoyment in school to lessen).

This appeal info is with respect to my older son who is currently at Longfellow in 7th grade AAP and didn't get into AAP at first, but got in on appeal. He took the WISC for the appeal and he scored 99th percentile on verbal so that helped a lot. His 2nd grade teacher was not supportive of him getting into AAP and so I knew I had to do the appeal on my own. The WISC score was enough to get him in on appeal and I would like to say that now in 7th grade he is straight As and one of the best students in Longfellow AAP program (doing super in Mr. Williams math class for those of you who know who he is) so those parents who say that kids who get in on appeal don't deserve to get into AAP don't know what they are talking about. You know your kid better than anyone. Have your kid take the WISC and if the scores are good, appeal. If they are not good, you can still appeal, but know your chances are not as good. If they don't get into AAP for 3rd grade, try again next year, but maybe have your kid do mathnesium or a similar program after school so they don't fall behind in math - that's the biggest difference between AAP and regular education program is that the math moves ahead a year. It's much easier to catch up in reading than math. My oldest son actually didn't enter into AAP until 6th grade because we were overseas and he still did fabulously because we got him a math tutor in 5th grade to help him catch up to where the kids were by 6th grade. So your kid can also do fine entering AAP later if you keep up the math. Good luck!

+100 We got in on appeal also.I thought it was ridiculous in the first place that he did not get in b/c from out of State. they used EVERY excuse. (I was dumb enough to tell people about it --not smart! but he had always been the smartest in the class and I did not know all the politics)
Now in college -- 4.2 average at TJ, now at an Ivy. Really if your DC has the scores and the aptitude, appeal and you will win. The school principal tried to tell me the Math was 'too hard" He got it in one day. People DO get overlooked who belong in the program.

How on earth do you people have the gumption to state these things (underlined) that are just guesses that you've apparently solidified in your minds???????

Wow. Longfellow must have much harder graders than Carson, which easily had well over 100 kids in the AAP program carrying unweighted 4.0s at the end of first semester 8th grade year. My DC is one, and I would never crown him one of the best. I tend to think of our stronger math students as being the ones who were invited to do AMC 10 & 12, and who went to the national MathCounts competition in SLC this week. And our stronger science students as the ones with national rankings in TSA, TARC, etc. How did Longfellow's team do at the national MathCounts competition this year, OP? And what was your DC's AMC 12 score? Because if you don't know first hand, yourr DC is not the top off his class-- and people are laughing when you claim otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12

not eligible -

What were the cogat and nnat?

In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?

GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.

I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think

Seriously, this is why FCPS should be sued. I know a child with scores in the low 120s who got in and this child didn't? I'm dumbfounded by some of the in and not in scores. Someone should do a FOIA request to see what's up with the random nature of the selections.

[Anonymous]

"My kid aced the entrance exam, wrote perfect essays, has all As, got exemplary recommendations from her teachers and still didn't get into TJ!!!!!!"

[Anonymous]

Because I think it will help a lot of parents, here is a summary of AAP Decisions posted for 2016:

NNAT 118
COGAT 128
IN

NNAT - 129
Cogat - 119
GBRS - 15
IN

NNAT 122
COGAT 128
GBRS 14
IN

NNAT 129
COGAT 130
GBRS 16
IN

NNAT: 140
COGAT: 120
GBRS: no clue

NNAT:133
Cogat:110
Not In

NNAT 136
COGAT 148
GBRS 14
IN

NNAT 130
CoGat 131
GBRS 14
NOT IN

NNAT 132
COGAT 145
IN

NNAT 156
COGAT 136
GBRS 12
IN

Cogat 128
NNAT 118
GBRS 11
IN

COGAT 135
NNAT 149
GBRS 11
IN

NNAT 125
CoGAT 125
GBRS 16
IN

NNAT - 129
COGAT - 138
GBRS - ?
IN

NNAT 123
Cogat: 142 (118, 143, 140)
GBRS: 13
IN

NNAT 109
COGAT 134
WISC 129
GBRS 14
IN

NNAT 152
COGAT 128
GBRS ?
NOT IN

NNAT 140
Cogat 132
GBRS 14
NOT IN


nnat: none
cogat: 139 composite
GBRS: one part of file said 13, the sheet added to 14 (guessing they used the 13)
IN

NNAT: 143
CoGAT: 131
GBRS: 14
WISC: 137 (done unrelated to AAP)
IN

NNAT 160
COGAT 132
IN

Nnat 118
Cogat 133
GBRS 15
IN

NNAT 118
Cogat 140
GBRS 9
IN

NNAT 140
COGAT 134
GBRS -requesting now to see commentary
IN

NNAT: 132
CoGAT: 138
GBRS: 10
IN

NNAT 104
CogAt (subset) 134
GBRS: 12
IN

NNAT: 122
CoGAT: 130
GBRS: 15
IN

CogAt -122
IN

NNAT 133
Cogat 148
GBRS 14
IN

NNAT-141
Cogat-139
GBRS-11
IN.

NNAT 127
WISC 122
GBRS 12
Not admitted

NNAT 129
COGAT 143
GBRS 16
IN

nnat 111
cogat composite 123
verbal 127
quant 123
nonverbal 111
IN

NNAT: 115
Cogat: 120
GBRS: 10
NOT IN

NNAT 102
COGAT 135
GBRS 9
In.

NNAT 93
CogAT 144
GBRS 13
IN

NNAT 152
COGAT 128
GBRS 6
NOT IN

10 GBRS
NNAT 122
COGAT- 133
IN

NNAT - 114
COGAT - 119
GBRS - 10
NOT IN

NNAT- 107
COGAT - 123
GBRS - 10
NOT IN

NNAT: 132
COGAT: 125 (132/118/117)
GBRS: 14
IN

NNAT - 133
COGAT - 137
GBRS - 16
IN

NNAT 132
Cogat 128
GBRS :Not known
IN

NNAT -- 123
CogAT -- 131
GBRS -- 13
IN

NNAT = 122
Cogat = 129
WISC = 138
GBRS = 15
IN

Nnat 135
Cogst 150
Gbrs 9
Not in. Appeal.

NNAT : 152
CoGAT : 137
GBRS : 7
IN

NNAT 122
CogAT 113
WISC-V 142
GBRS 9
IN

NNAT 127
COGAT 122
GBRS Unknown
Not in

NNAT 132
CogAT 138
GBRS 10
WISC-V 130 (done for purposes other than AAP, but submitted in packet)
Not in.

NNAT 129
COGAT 140
GBRS who knows, but should have been good, as both his teacher and the AART strongly recommended parent referral (this was before the COGAT came out).
IN

NNAT 114
CogAT 130 (V124/Q132/N123)
GBRS 14
WISC-V 145 (but not submitted in packet)
In.

NNAT 138
CogAT 135
GBRS 14
IN

DD Homeschooled - only scores
WISC-V 137
GBRS - 14
IN

Gbrs- 15
nnat-127
Cogat-132
In

NNAT 123
WISC 144
CoGAT 146
GBRS 14
???

NNAT 145
Cogat 138
GBRS do not know.
IN.


NNAT 125
CoGAT - 141 VQN
GBRS - 14
In

NNAT 109
COGAT 136 (118, 133, 139)
GBRS 10, but with very positive commentary
NOT IN

WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
NOT IN

NNAT: 129
COGAT: 130
WISC V: 143
scored 99%+ in VCI, VSI and FRI
GBRS 15

NNAT 158
CoGAT 146
IN

APPEALS:
WISC 128 (97%), but VCI and VSI were 99%, which we've heard are the main scores looked at for AAP. Cogat 136, NNAT 109.
IN

wisc 128, nnat 116, Cogat 128.
IN

NNAT - 114
COGAT - 119
GBRS - 10
WISC V - 126
IN


NNAT- 107
COGAT - 123
GBRS - 10
IN

NNAT 113
COGAT 118
WISC 120
GBRS 14
IN

NNAT 124
Cogat 129
WISC 129
GBRS 14
IN

We have almost the same scores except 121 WISC., 15 GBRS. Not in
NOT IN

WISC of 120 and GBRS 10 and admitted on appeal.

Cogat 128 WISC V 126 VCI 130 - DS is in on appeal.

NNAT - 123
GOGAT - 114
GBRS - 12
WISC - 129 (97%; w/134 in Fluid Reasoning)
NOT IN

Nnat 113
Cogat -118, composite 124
Gbrs -13
Wisc -133
IN

NNAT 133
CogAT 119
GBRS 10
WISC V 133
IN

NNAT: 121
COGAT: 124
WISC: 127 FSIQ with Fluid Reasoning, Verbal Comprehension and puzzles in low 130s and average/above average processing and working memory (Dr. said they look more at other subscores)
GBRS: 8 (low, I know. Be sure to check your child's file. There were errors and mistakes on his report card, which must have been an early version.)
IN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"My kid aced the entrance exam, wrote perfect essays, has all As, got exemplary recommendations from her teachers and still didn't get into TJ!!!!!!"

Hard to believe. To what do you ascribe this? (also, how can you know he/she "wrote perfect essays?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"My kid aced the entrance exam, wrote perfect essays, has all As, got exemplary recommendations from her teachers and still didn't get into TJ!!!!!!"

Hard to believe. To what do you ascribe this? (also, how can you know he/she "wrote perfect essays?"

Because her child is perfect and if this perfect kid's mother says it is true, well then it is true.