Bad News for Test Prep Parents

[Anonymous]

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The bottom line is that the scores of these AAP identification tests are affected when kids have been practicing with materials that replicate past tests. Some people know this and have decided to make some money off this fact. The more they can convince young parents that:
a: a child's intelligence is dependent on how many of this business's worksheets the child does and,
b: that there is no good education available in FCPS except in AAP and,
c: the best way to get a child into AAP is to use our services/products,
the more money they will make.

They do not want the school to know that kids have been prepped, because they know that the scores would then be taken less seriously. It would certainly be bad for business for the schools to know which second graders have been doing practice questions from old tests at camps or classes or clubs or just at home with a parent. Even the idea that teachers might be asking kids at school if they have seen questions like these before could be bad for business. Parents may hesitate to buy into test prep programs or materials if they hear that the schools might not use test results from kids who say they have seen questions like this before.

Most of these businesses sell other types of tutoring and test prep so they will not lose their shirts if FCPS were to stop using these tests or drop the AAP.
But it would eat into their profits to a certain extent.

I don' think that is anywhere near the "bottom line." There is a huge demand for prepping materials. In many ways it's a cultural thing. It is the way you get into the better schools, short of bribery. So the vendors are filling this demand. No supply, the demand remains. No demand, the supply will fizzle.

Yes, information that caused parents to think twice before making use of these services or products would cause a reduction in demand. Lower demand equals lower profit.

And drug dealers sell there materials based on demands. Yes, I am equating test prep companies (for the AAP) to drug dealer. Actually, tesp prep companies may be worse, as they create fear, uncertainty and doubt undermining the psychological well being of their client..s

And right on schedule, the last post appears and uses ridicule in an attempt to deflect attention from information that could cause young parents to think twice about AAP test prep.

And, you know, when they get the borderline kids into AAP, they have created a tutoring market for themselves that will continue for years. So, losing the AAP test prep customers could cut into profits for years to follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The bottom line is that the scores of these AAP identification tests are affected when kids have been practicing with materials that replicate past tests. Some people know this and have decided to make some money off this fact. The more they can convince young parents that:
a: a child's intelligence is dependent on how many of this business's worksheets the child does and,
b: that there is no good education available in FCPS except in AAP and,
c: the best way to get a child into AAP is to use our services/products,
the more money they will make.

They do not want the school to know that kids have been prepped, because they know that the scores would then be taken less seriously. It would certainly be bad for business for the schools to know which second graders have been doing practice questions from old tests at camps or classes or clubs or just at home with a parent. Even the idea that teachers might be asking kids at school if they have seen questions like these before could be bad for business. Parents may hesitate to buy into test prep programs or materials if they hear that the schools might not use test results from kids who say they have seen questions like this before.

Most of these businesses sell other types of tutoring and test prep so they will not lose their shirts if FCPS were to stop using these tests or drop the AAP.
But it would eat into their profits to a certain extent.

I don' think that is anywhere near the "bottom line." There is a huge demand for prepping materials. In many ways it's a cultural thing. It is the way you get into the better schools, short of bribery. So the vendors are filling this demand. No supply, the demand remains. No demand, the supply will fizzle.

And drug dealers sell there materials based on demands. Yes, I am equating test prep companies (for the AAP) to drug dealer. Actually, tesp prep companies may be worse, as they create fear, uncertainty and doubt undermining the psychological well being of their client..s

o.k., now I think you're going a little bit overboard with this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And drug dealers sell there materials based on demands. Yes, I am equating test prep companies (for the AAP) to drug dealer. Actually, tesp prep companies may be worse, as they create fear, uncertainty and doubt undermining the psychological well being of their client..s

Really? And you think the preppers are the ones who need help. You care so much about you "unprepared" kid getting into AAP that you are now equating prep materials with drugs. Step away from the madness, you clearly need a break.

I am equating the people that use fear to advocate prep to drug dealers. They are trying to scare parents into buying test prep by saying their kid will be at a disadvantage without prep. They are pushing people to prep using fear.

Just like the cool kids do it. It is ok. You can prep...everyone preps. All the cool kids prep. Don't worry. Oh, I am running a test prep class. Sign up.
That is similar to how a drug dealer works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The bottom line is that the scores of these AAP identification tests are affected when kids have been practicing with materials that replicate past tests. Some people know this and have decided to make some money off this fact. The more they can convince young parents that:
a: a child's intelligence is dependent on how many of this business's worksheets the child does and,
b: that there is no good education available in FCPS except in AAP and,
c: the best way to get a child into AAP is to use our services/products,
the more money they will make.

They do not want the school to know that kids have been prepped, because they know that the scores would then be taken less seriously. It would certainly be bad for business for the schools to know which second graders have been doing practice questions from old tests at camps or classes or clubs or just at home with a parent. Even the idea that teachers might be asking kids at school if they have seen questions like these before could be bad for business. Parents may hesitate to buy into test prep programs or materials if they hear that the schools might not use test results from kids who say they have seen questions like this before.

Most of these businesses sell other types of tutoring and test prep so they will not lose their shirts if FCPS were to stop using these tests or drop the AAP.
But it would eat into their profits to a certain extent.

I don' think that is anywhere near the "bottom line." There is a huge demand for prepping materials. In many ways it's a cultural thing. It is the way you get into the better schools, short of bribery. So the vendors are filling this demand. No supply, the demand remains. No demand, the supply will fizzle.

And drug dealers sell there materials based on demands. Yes, I am equating test prep companies (for the AAP) to drug dealer. Actually, tesp prep companies may be worse, as they create fear, uncertainty and doubt undermining the psychological well being of their client..s

o.k., now I think you're going a little bit overboard with this

I am taking the argument to its logical extreme.

[Anonymous]

Yes, that's why a person's weight, strength, happiness, generosity, and criminality are also all fixed. We were born with doses of each from our parents. Some are really lucky to be spawned by gifted, God fearing, and smart parents. I don't know why mankind has a difficult time understanding what is so blatantly obvious.

+1000

The granular concept of potential (e.g., for strength, intelligence, generosity, criminality, depression, obesity) is clearly fixed since we all live on the planet earth subject to a single gravitation pull. Strength, intelligence, generosity, criminality, depression, and obesity clearly come from one's parental genes. They are all fixed and immutable in our children. No amount of preparation or prep can change these facts. Evolution is a myth conjured up by the liberal and pagan left.

There is really no need for clinically neurotic Virginians to worry about other people's children who prepare for tests to improve their scores since scores reflect fixed intelligence and can't change. Prep is a waste of time. Peyton and Phelps are complete idiots. They were already born gifted and talented and would accomplish their feats without all their preparation and effort. Perhaps, they too lack the intelligence or smart gene from their parents.

This is why these aptitude and intelligence test scores are so important for admission officers at Big 3, AAP, TJ, MIT, Cal Tech, and Harvard. They reflect intelligence and smarts and can't really be changed because of preparation and study. Hard work and study do not change aptitude, intelligence or smart tests. If you don't steal the exam, or exam form, and the solutions, there is no amount of dedicated hard academic study and preparation before the test that will improve one's entitled score on an aptitude, smarts or intelligence test. The FCPS website and my preacher say so.

It is equally laughable watching all these "fat" and "ugly" DCUM women spending all their money, work and effort in the yearly prep of face/body make up and diet in the name of becoming pretty, attractive, and thin. Like intelligence, obesity and physical attractiveness, are fixed and immutable. No amount of cheating, prepping and primping will change this. You are stuck with what your parents handed down to you in their germ line.

Food for thought for all you life-long cheaters the next time you visit your personal trainer or tutor!

I beg to differ:

There’s one key difference between kids who excel at math and those who don’t = preparation (prep)

http://qz.com/139453/theres-one-key-difference-between-kids-who-excel-at-math-and-those-who-dont/#

[Anonymous]

+1

100% agreement

Preparation (prep), hard work and confidence is the key. This works in AAP and the NFL.

--Tom Brady and Peyton Manning (The Sheriff), Marshall Manning (age 8)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The bottom line is that the scores of these AAP identification tests are affected when kids have been practicing with materials that replicate past tests. Some people know this and have decided to make some money off this fact. The more they can convince young parents that:
a: a child's intelligence is dependent on how many of this business's worksheets the child does and,
b: that there is no good education available in FCPS except in AAP and,
c: the best way to get a child into AAP is to use our services/products,
the more money they will make.

They do not want the school to know that kids have been prepped, because they know that the scores would then be taken less seriously. It would certainly be bad for business for the schools to know which second graders have been doing practice questions from old tests at camps or classes or clubs or just at home with a parent. Even the idea that teachers might be asking kids at school if they have seen questions like these before could be bad for business. Parents may hesitate to buy into test prep programs or materials if they hear that the schools might not use test results from kids who say they have seen questions like this before.

Most of these businesses sell other types of tutoring and test prep so they will not lose their shirts if FCPS were to stop using these tests or drop the AAP.
But it would eat into their profits to a certain extent.

It is about the money. And threads like this that point out the issues with prepping for these tests are not appreciated because they interfere with the advertising message.

[Anonymous]

Inequality A: Preparation and hard work is not equal to "past tests"

...Marshall Manning (8 year-old) son of The Sheriff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The bottom line is that the scores of these AAP identification tests are affected when kids have been practicing with materials that replicate past tests. Some people know this and have decided to make some money off this fact. The more they can convince young parents that:
a: a child's intelligence is dependent on how many of this business's worksheets the child does and,
b: that there is no good education available in FCPS except in AAP and,
c: the best way to get a child into AAP is to use our services/products,
the more money they will make.

They do not want the school to know that kids have been prepped, because they know that the scores would then be taken less seriously. It would certainly be bad for business for the schools to know which second graders have been doing practice questions from old tests at camps or classes or clubs or just at home with a parent. Even the idea that teachers might be asking kids at school if they have seen questions like these before could be bad for business. Parents may hesitate to buy into test prep programs or materials if they hear that the schools might not use test results from kids who say they have seen questions like this before.

Most of these businesses sell other types of tutoring and test prep so they will not lose their shirts if FCPS were to stop using these tests or drop the AAP.
But it would eat into their profits to a certain extent.

It is about the money. And threads like this that point out the issues with prepping for these tests are not appreciated because they interfere with the advertising message.

this I don't get because I started googling around for CogAt test prep and found the Mercer books. Thank-goodness! I never saw an advertisement. demand precedes supply.

[Anonymous]

Go Marshall! It takes an 8-year-old to educate dumb dcummies. Preparation and hard work are certainly to keys to success in AAP, NFL and life.

[Anonymous]

To all my elementary school friends and kids:

A favorite adage of my Dad-The Sheriff, "Chance favors the prepared mind". Preparation, hard work and fun are the keys to success in football, life and school. Do not listen to the silicon stuffing from tired and tiresome adults. Take a page from the playbook of life -- in school, preparation, hard work and fun favor success regardless of the AAP, ACT, SAT, O and A level changing flavors of the decade. Do not listen to fools whispering in your little ears not to work hard and prepare for school, your studies and AAP.

Marshall (8 year-old)
Son of Manning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To all my elementary school friends and kids:

A favorite adage of my Dad-The Sheriff, "Chance favors the prepared mind". Preparation, hard work and fun are the keys to success in football, life and school. Do not listen to the silicon stuffing from tired and tiresome adults. Take a page from the playbook of life -- in school, preparation, hard work and fun favor success regardless of the AAP, ACT, SAT, O and A level changing flavors of the decade. Do not listen to fools whispering in your little ears not to work hard and prepare for school, your studies and AAP.

Marshall (8 year-old)
Son of Manning

Marshall Manning, Son of Payton Manning is less than 3 years old, born on Mar 11, 2011. I am pretty sure he is not prepping for football.

[Anonymous]

And, you know, when they get the borderline kids into AAP, they have created a tutoring market for themselves that will continue for years. So, losing the AAP test prep customers could cut into profits for years to follow.

Every classroom and team I have ever been associated with will have people on the border/margin. Sometimes predictions from high scores from the draft and scouting combine (AAP, SAT, ACT, ERB, SCAT) come up short. But, my father says that should not discourage kids from hard work and preparation (prep).

-- Marshall (8 year-old)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And, you know, when they get the borderline kids into AAP, they have created a tutoring market for themselves that will continue for years. So, losing the AAP test prep customers could cut into profits for years to follow.

Every classroom and team I have ever been associated with will have people on the border/margin. Sometimes predictions from high scores from the draft and scouting combine (AAP, SAT, ACT, ERB, SCAT) come up short. But, my father says that should not discourage kids from hard work and preparation (prep).

-- Marshall (8 year-old)

Marshall Manning is not 8 years old, he is 2 years old. I can assure you no 8 yo did the above quote. You are worse than I thought. You make up qoutes. There is a word for that: fraud.

Your fraud by prepping, your fraud by the quotes.

[Anonymous]

Marshall Manning, Son of Payton Manning is less than 3 years old, born on Mar 11, 2011. I am pretty sure he is not prepping for football.

All the hard work and preparation, instilled at home, has lead to 5 years of acceleration (compared to my popping and potty training peers). My dad introduced me to Kobe and LeBron and both of them told me they too experienced the same thing. Their hard work and preparation led to foregoing University altogether and getting right in the elite mix with all the adults.

--Marshall (8-year-old "accelerated")