Realignment for SEC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not the previous poster.

The only punitive action I know of is the reassignment of an Enforcement senior counsel to chief counsel of OIT.

(Considering how awfully our hardware and software function, that attorney may have been able to do truly good work for the agency.)

There were more. Pretty much anyone working on crypto matters, be it enforcement or the SAB, etc. was “reassigned” until they left a few weeks/months later.

I’m not denying that this happened at all, but I personally know multiple enforcement attorneys who worked crypto matters and seem to be still here doing just fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

Sorry, I should have said that information was a few weeks ago. If they are in fact negotiating or having any discussions about telework, I’d be thrilled. I am one of those who is riding the struggle bus towards unemployment.

Your union steward is an idiot. Yes the opinion itself was a win. But playing this out through the process will take at least 3.5 years because for the next three years it will sit at the FLRB. Trump fired enough people to ensure these things are unable to move.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

So they are going to fight for the end for a phyrric victory just to say they “won” instead of trying to get some telework now? Great. By the time they “win,” the existing contract will have expired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

Of course not. Their hands are tied.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

Of course not. Their hands are tied.

Atkins hates telework and thinks we need to be in person to be productive. What no one has told him is he’s living in a different time. People are just as if not more productive at home. We need some in person to get to know people etc but all the time is killing productivity. I don’t know if whoever is advising him hasn’t bothered or he can’t seem to understand. But he has no frame of reference for what a mother with kids is going through. And I do believe he doesn’t know the pain he’s inflicted on staff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

Of course not. Their hands are tied.

Atkins hates telework and thinks we need to be in person to be productive. What no one has told him is he’s living in a different time. People are just as if not more productive at home. We need some in person to get to know people etc but all the time is killing productivity. I don’t know if whoever is advising him hasn’t bothered or he can’t seem to understand. But he has no frame of reference for what a mother with kids is going through. And I do believe he doesn’t know the pain he’s inflicted on staff.

From what I have heard, he has been told. Requests have been made from the division directors to give even just one day of telework a week. PA is not out of touch, he doesn’t care for staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

I can't possibly believe that would be the strategy without surveying membership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

The poster you responded to made very solid points about the current approach to telework will most negatively affect women, followed by fathers. Pretty much anyone who has a family and values raising their children in this crazy world the right way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the previous poster.

The only punitive action I know of is the reassignment of an Enforcement senior counsel to chief counsel of OIT.

(Considering how awfully our hardware and software function, that attorney may have been able to do truly good work for the agency.)

There were more. Pretty much anyone working on crypto matters, be it enforcement or the SAB, etc. was “reassigned” until they left a few weeks/months later.

Correct. There was targeted retaliation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

I can't possibly believe that would be the strategy without surveying membership.

I think most people would be happy with some TW right now vs no TW for the remainder of Trump's term. The FLRA is not really independent anymore so you are talking about a long long time before this is resolved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

I can't possibly believe that would be the strategy without surveying membership.

I think most people would be happy with some TW right now vs no TW for the remainder of Trump's term. The FLRA is not really independent anymore so you are talking about a long long time before this is resolved.

Union has been very quiet and I’m sure that is on purpose. I think any survey would send people into a frenzy and possibly derail any possible negotiations. That said, they aren’t negotiating anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the previous poster.

The only punitive action I know of is the reassignment of an Enforcement senior counsel to chief counsel of OIT.

(Considering how awfully our hardware and software function, that attorney may have been able to do truly good work for the agency.)

There were more. Pretty much anyone working on crypto matters, be it enforcement or the SAB, etc. was “reassigned” until they left a few weeks/months later.

Correct. There was targeted retaliation. [/quote
And the SEC NTEU assisted management, not the employees.]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the previous poster.

The only punitive action I know of is the reassignment of an Enforcement senior counsel to chief counsel of OIT.

(Considering how awfully our hardware and software function, that attorney may have been able to do truly good work for the agency.)

There were more. Pretty much anyone working on crypto matters, be it enforcement or the SAB, etc. was “reassigned” until they left a few weeks/months later.

I’m not denying that this happened at all, but I personally know multiple enforcement attorneys who worked crypto matters and seem to be still here doing just fine.

They would be lower level, correct? As in not the decision makers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best part about the arbitration is that administration is waiting until the last possible day to notify the union of its appeal. They need an extra 30 days on top of the 12-18 months they’re buying with an appeal.

I agree with everyone who said there will be a mass exodus. I think it will be a lot of women who leave first, probably leaving the workforce entirely because the job market sucks and the SEC sucks for women now. It used to attract high quality women becuase of the flexibility.

You are grasping at straws here. Legal filings are almost always made the day of the deadline (often very late in the day) and there is no reason why the agency would act before the deadline. And, unless you are GG, you probably have no idea whether there have been any discussions with the union.

According to my union steward, the union is not engaged in discussions with the agency. The union feels this is a strong win and wants to see the litigation through the long process to secure a win.

Your steward doesn’t know what they are talking about.

+1. My understanding is the union is open to settling because people need relief now. That said, I dont think the agency has offered anything.

I can't possibly believe that would be the strategy without surveying membership.

I think most people would be happy with some TW right now vs no TW for the remainder of Trump's term. The FLRA is not really independent anymore so you are talking about a long long time before this is resolved.

Union has been very quiet and I’m sure that is on purpose. I think any survey would send people into a frenzy and possibly derail any possible negotiations. That said, they aren’t negotiating anything.

You’re so naive. Union has been quiet bc it has zero power/leverage and doesn’t have a leg to stand on. PA can (and probably will) tell the Union to go pound sand. WTF is the union gonna do? Send out a whiney email?

But keep paying your dues in case TW comes back in 4 years.

Union hasn’t even acknowledged or mentioned the arbitration ruling on its website. Not a single story about it in the media. I wonder why.