It's official: Gen Z are not delaying marriage til 30s anymore, young weddings are cool again

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Anonymous wrote:What about the other trend of not marrying at all?

I have coworkers with babies who are not married.

This is the actual trend. But it doesn't fit in with the current narrative being pushed

UMC/rich kids seem to be getting married younger. These kids likely have the support of the rich parents.

Poor and MC young adults may not have the money for a wedding or to buy a house. Our kids will have college, grad school, wedding and at least down payment from the parents. I would rather my kids marry relatively young in their twenties and have kids young.

I come from humble beginnings and traveled a ton in my twenties after I started working. My kids have been traveling internationally since they were young. My kids are still minors and been to Europe and Asia several times and the US/Caribbean countless times. It isn’t like they need to spend their twenties traveling and enjoying life. They have been doing this since being born.

Traveling with mama is not what people mean when they say "travel and see the world." That you would unironically write that tells me so much about you.

DP.

What does “travel and see the world” mean if not travel and see the world, which one can do with their friends, their parents, or even by themselves!

Do you mean getting drunk, high, and having sex with random strangers? That’s the only scenario in which you’re right and one would not get that experience traveling with mama…

No they mean exploring the world on your own without your parents paying for everything and holding your hand the entire time. Navigating a foreign transportation system or a language you don't speak on your own without well-traveled parents who can always step in to explain or guide.

I traveled a ton between birth and age 12 because my dad worked for a huge international company and we lived all over the world as he helped set up offices and factories for them. And then even after we settled in the US so I could have a "normal" high school experience we still traveled abroad a lot. So I was a "well-traveled" kid. But when I traveled in my 20s on my own I learned different things about myself. It was a totally different experience. Independence is a really powerful thing to explore and I do think I would have missed out on something if I'd married straight out of college even though obviously I wasn't lacking in opportunities to travel.

I never did the drinking and drugging and casual sex type of travel btw. I did meet lots of interesting people but I have always known to be cautious when traveling abroad.

You’re speaking from an upper middle class / wealthy bubble. The vast majority of American kids, teens, and young adults will NEVER “see the world”. For the average American family a trip to a single European country for a week is literally a once-in-lifetime event.

So you can continue to split hairs about whether seeing the world as a kid “counts” or not, but just understand that it’s irrelevant.

That poster lives in such a bubble despite having “traveled” so much as a young adult. It’s incredible to me how many people who see traveling as such a valuable experience are so narrow minded and out of touch. The mere fact of traveling is not going to make you a better person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the other trend of not marrying at all?

I have coworkers with babies who are not married.

This is the actual trend. But it doesn't fit in with the current narrative being pushed

UMC/rich kids seem to be getting married younger. These kids likely have the support of the rich parents.

Poor and MC young adults may not have the money for a wedding or to buy a house. Our kids will have college, grad school, wedding and at least down payment from the parents. I would rather my kids marry relatively young in their twenties and have kids young.

I come from humble beginnings and traveled a ton in my twenties after I started working. My kids have been traveling internationally since they were young. My kids are still minors and been to Europe and Asia several times and the US/Caribbean countless times. It isn’t like they need to spend their twenties traveling and enjoying life. They have been doing this since being born.

Traveling with mama is not what people mean when they say "travel and see the world." That you would unironically write that tells me so much about you.

DP.

What does “travel and see the world” mean if not travel and see the world, which one can do with their friends, their parents, or even by themselves!

Do you mean getting drunk, high, and having sex with random strangers? That’s the only scenario in which you’re right and one would not get that experience traveling with mama…

No they mean exploring the world on your own without your parents paying for everything and holding your hand the entire time. Navigating a foreign transportation system or a language you don't speak on your own without well-traveled parents who can always step in to explain or guide.

I traveled a ton between birth and age 12 because my dad worked for a huge international company and we lived all over the world as he helped set up offices and factories for them. And then even after we settled in the US so I could have a "normal" high school experience we still traveled abroad a lot. So I was a "well-traveled" kid. But when I traveled in my 20s on my own I learned different things about myself. It was a totally different experience. Independence is a really powerful thing to explore and I do think I would have missed out on something if I'd married straight out of college even though obviously I wasn't lacking in opportunities to travel.

I never did the drinking and drugging and casual sex type of travel btw. I did meet lots of interesting people but I have always known to be cautious when traveling abroad.

You’re speaking from an upper middle class / wealthy bubble. The vast majority of American kids, teens, and young adults will NEVER “see the world”. For the average American family a trip to a single European country for a week is literally a once-in-lifetime event.

So you can continue to split hairs about whether seeing the world as a kid “counts” or not, but just understand that it’s irrelevant.

UMC/wealthy IS the target audience of the marry young crowd, isn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:What about the other trend of not marrying at all?

I have coworkers with babies who are not married.

This is the actual trend. But it doesn't fit in with the current narrative being pushed

UMC/rich kids seem to be getting married younger. These kids likely have the support of the rich parents.

Poor and MC young adults may not have the money for a wedding or to buy a house. Our kids will have college, grad school, wedding and at least down payment from the parents. I would rather my kids marry relatively young in their twenties and have kids young.

I come from humble beginnings and traveled a ton in my twenties after I started working. My kids have been traveling internationally since they were young. My kids are still minors and been to Europe and Asia several times and the US/Caribbean countless times. It isn’t like they need to spend their twenties traveling and enjoying life. They have been doing this since being born.

Traveling with mama is not what people mean when they say "travel and see the world." That you would unironically write that tells me so much about you.

DP.

What does “travel and see the world” mean if not travel and see the world, which one can do with their friends, their parents, or even by themselves!

Do you mean getting drunk, high, and having sex with random strangers? That’s the only scenario in which you’re right and one would not get that experience traveling with mama…

No they mean exploring the world on your own without your parents paying for everything and holding your hand the entire time. Navigating a foreign transportation system or a language you don't speak on your own without well-traveled parents who can always step in to explain or guide.

I traveled a ton between birth and age 12 because my dad worked for a huge international company and we lived all over the world as he helped set up offices and factories for them. And then even after we settled in the US so I could have a "normal" high school experience we still traveled abroad a lot. So I was a "well-traveled" kid. But when I traveled in my 20s on my own I learned different things about myself. It was a totally different experience. Independence is a really powerful thing to explore and I do think I would have missed out on something if I'd married straight out of college even though obviously I wasn't lacking in opportunities to travel.

I never did the drinking and drugging and casual sex type of travel btw. I did meet lots of interesting people but I have always known to be cautious when traveling abroad.

You’re speaking from an upper middle class / wealthy bubble. The vast majority of American kids, teens, and young adults will NEVER “see the world”. For the average American family a trip to a single European country for a week is literally a once-in-lifetime event.

So you can continue to split hairs about whether seeing the world as a kid “counts” or not, but just understand that it’s irrelevant.

DP. Isn’t that the topic of this thread?

Anyway, the point was that most young adults would benefit from getting TF out of their hometown. “Seeing the world” doesn’t just mean visiting some tourist trap in Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Joey King and Millie Bobbie Brown Don’t really have that many followers compared to Kim Kardashian, Taylor, Swift, and Selena Gomez.

She has 18 million, Millie Bobby Brown I think has maybe 40 million. Selena has well over 400 million and Taylor is approaching 300 million with Kim somewhere in between.

Taylor is a proud, childless cat lady, Selena is early 30s never married Recently revealed, she will never carry her on children anyway and Kim Kardashian has been divorced four times and two of her kids were born via surrogacy. So I would be careful saying celebs with a lot of followers are influencing the young generation. It works both ways.

Ambitious UMC zoomers are certainly not looking at single and unmarried Swift, unmarried and barren Selena, or Kardashian trash with any admiration. To teen and 20-somethings, those women are all old and if anything highlight what not to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the other trend of not marrying at all?

I have coworkers with babies who are not married.

This is the actual trend. But it doesn't fit in with the current narrative being pushed

UMC/rich kids seem to be getting married younger. These kids likely have the support of the rich parents.

Poor and MC young adults may not have the money for a wedding or to buy a house. Our kids will have college, grad school, wedding and at least down payment from the parents. I would rather my kids marry relatively young in their twenties and have kids young.

I come from humble beginnings and traveled a ton in my twenties after I started working. My kids have been traveling internationally since they were young. My kids are still minors and been to Europe and Asia several times and the US/Caribbean countless times. It isn’t like they need to spend their twenties traveling and enjoying life. They have been doing this since being born.

Rich pretty people set the trends; rich young celebs, rich influencers, and rich friends or friends or friends in your kids’ social media orbit. I suspect some here are triggered because they’re from humble beginnings and could not afford to do this, and also, they know they can’t afford to provide their kids with this, either. It’s a tremendous leg up in life to get wedding, first house, and kids out of the way in your 20s. Those who delay those milestones are forever behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where are these UMC or MC men who are willing to marry in their early twenties? Who are these young pretty women supposed to marry??

This was asked a couple times and not answered, which was unsurprising because blaming women is a lot more fun. And it's a great question.

There was one example of a happy young bride with a husband 17 years her senior she met as a teen so I suppose that may answer the question at least partially.

[Anonymous]

Give it 10 years and they'll all be divorced and looking for a 2nd spouse to have kids with

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the other trend of not marrying at all?

I have coworkers with babies who are not married.

This is the actual trend. But it doesn't fit in with the current narrative being pushed

UMC/rich kids seem to be getting married younger. These kids likely have the support of the rich parents.

Poor and MC young adults may not have the money for a wedding or to buy a house. Our kids will have college, grad school, wedding and at least down payment from the parents. I would rather my kids marry relatively young in their twenties and have kids young.

I come from humble beginnings and traveled a ton in my twenties after I started working. My kids have been traveling internationally since they were young. My kids are still minors and been to Europe and Asia several times and the US/Caribbean countless times. It isn’t like they need to spend their twenties traveling and enjoying life. They have been doing this since being born.

Traveling with mama is not what people mean when they say "travel and see the world." That you would unironically write that tells me so much about you.

DP.

What does “travel and see the world” mean if not travel and see the world, which one can do with their friends, their parents, or even by themselves!

Do you mean getting drunk, high, and having sex with random strangers? That’s the only scenario in which you’re right and one would not get that experience traveling with mama…

Traveling with your parents - where you are handheld, taken to mommy-selected destinations and landmarks, and are told what to do and what to eat and when to go to sleep - are completely different from travel that you yourself organize, budget for and navigate unassisted. The first is a theme park. The second is an adulting experience.

My kids’ social media is full of college and 20-something couples traveling together. It sounds like you’re a bit oblivious to the lifestyle of ambitious UMC and UC young adults. Travel photos are couples and large friend groups with lots of couples. Then once they’re engaged or married, they do everything with their young spouse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Give it 10 years and they'll all be divorced and looking for a 2nd spouse to have kids with

No there is no stigma now in that group about having children but not being with the dad.
They'll have kids and in their innocence assume that they can be one big blended family with new love interest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Joey King and Millie Bobbie Brown Don’t really have that many followers compared to Kim Kardashian, Taylor, Swift, and Selena Gomez.

She has 18 million, Millie Bobby Brown I think has maybe 40 million. Selena has well over 400 million and Taylor is approaching 300 million with Kim somewhere in between.

Taylor is a proud, childless cat lady, Selena is early 30s never married Recently revealed, she will never carry her on children anyway and Kim Kardashian has been divorced four times and two of her kids were born via surrogacy. So I would be careful saying celebs with a lot of followers are influencing the young generation. It works both ways.

Ambitious UMC zoomers are certainly not looking at single and unmarried Swift, unmarried and barren Selena, or Kardashian trash with any admiration. To teen and 20-somethings, those women are all old and if anything highlight what not to do.

Keep telling yourself that, over and over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these UMC or MC men who are willing to marry in their early twenties? Who are these young pretty women supposed to marry??

This was asked a couple times and not answered, which was unsurprising because blaming women is a lot more fun. And it's a great question.

There was one example of a happy young bride with a husband 17 years her senior she met as a teen so I suppose that may answer the question at least partially.

One answer would be the very same adults in this thread encouraging young people to delay their lives are failing to raise their sons to be mature, quality prospects who value marriage and family formation. A small percentage are raised that way, and they are the ones who will marry early.

But the culture absolutely encourages protracted adolescence. And the girls who wait it out are the unfortunate ones who end up having to drag those bumps on a log into adulthood and family life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the other trend of not marrying at all?

I have coworkers with babies who are not married.

This is the actual trend. But it doesn't fit in with the current narrative being pushed

UMC/rich kids seem to be getting married younger. These kids likely have the support of the rich parents.

Poor and MC young adults may not have the money for a wedding or to buy a house. Our kids will have college, grad school, wedding and at least down payment from the parents. I would rather my kids marry relatively young in their twenties and have kids young.

I come from humble beginnings and traveled a ton in my twenties after I started working. My kids have been traveling internationally since they were young. My kids are still minors and been to Europe and Asia several times and the US/Caribbean countless times. It isn’t like they need to spend their twenties traveling and enjoying life. They have been doing this since being born.

Traveling with mama is not what people mean when they say "travel and see the world." That you would unironically write that tells me so much about you.

DP.

What does “travel and see the world” mean if not travel and see the world, which one can do with their friends, their parents, or even by themselves!

Do you mean getting drunk, high, and having sex with random strangers? That’s the only scenario in which you’re right and one would not get that experience traveling with mama…

Traveling with your parents - where you are handheld, taken to mommy-selected destinations and landmarks, and are told what to do and what to eat and when to go to sleep - are completely different from travel that you yourself organize, budget for and navigate unassisted. The first is a theme park. The second is an adulting experience.

My kids’ social media is full of college and 20-something couples traveling together. It sounds like you’re a bit oblivious to the lifestyle of ambitious UMC and UC young adults. Travel photos are couples and large friend groups with lots of couples. Then once they’re engaged or married, they do everything with their young spouse.

That's because social media algorithms work to show you the content that's similar to what you've once clicked on, or what they project you want to see. It's not because that's the only thing out there.

I love how you shoot down every reasonable objection to your argument with "you're not UMC, UC or ambitious enough so this isn't about you."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are these UMC or MC men who are willing to marry in their early twenties? Who are these young pretty women supposed to marry??

This was asked a couple times and not answered, which was unsurprising because blaming women is a lot more fun. And it's a great question.

There was one example of a happy young bride with a husband 17 years her senior she met as a teen so I suppose that may answer the question at least partially.

One answer would be the very same adults in this thread encouraging young people to delay their lives are failing to raise their sons to be mature, quality prospects who value marriage and family formation. A small percentage are raised that way, and they are the ones who will marry early.

But the culture absolutely encourages protracted adolescence. And the girls who wait it out are the unfortunate ones who end up having to drag those bumps on a log into adulthood and family life.

So....you're saying that it's only a small percentage of men who want to marry early? Who woulda thunk it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joey King and Millie Bobbie Brown Don’t really have that many followers compared to Kim Kardashian, Taylor, Swift, and Selena Gomez.

She has 18 million, Millie Bobby Brown I think has maybe 40 million. Selena has well over 400 million and Taylor is approaching 300 million with Kim somewhere in between.

Taylor is a proud, childless cat lady, Selena is early 30s never married Recently revealed, she will never carry her on children anyway and Kim Kardashian has been divorced four times and two of her kids were born via surrogacy. So I would be careful saying celebs with a lot of followers are influencing the young generation. It works both ways.

Ambitious UMC zoomers are certainly not looking at single and unmarried Swift, unmarried and barren Selena, or Kardashian trash with any admiration. To teen and 20-somethings, those women are all old and if anything highlight what not to do.

Well....Kim Kardashian did marry early the first time (nineteen), and she is undeniably UMC and ambitious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where are these UMC or MC men who are willing to marry in their early twenties? Who are these young pretty women supposed to marry??

Serious boys at elite colleges and Southern university fraternities. Smart boys consume most of the same social media influencing their female peers. There is pressure to hit these milestones and 'flex' them on social media. Engagement + wedding + buying a nice house together are all a huge 'flex' (achievement/status badge) to your peers. No high-achieving boys want to be some single Barstool dweeb obsessed with sports, using dating apps, and renting an apartment when they're 30.