WSJ Rankings 2025

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the whiners cannot explain away is why HPYSM did so well while so many other high brow schools did not. If the methodology is a complete sham or just random, HPYSM would not constitute half of the top 10. Further, other top universities and LACs make the top 10, top 20, and top 50. Again, this is not random. The head scratching and consternation is really around a set of “treasured” schools that didn’t perform well. Perhaps, it would be better to understand why those didn’t perform well instead of assailing the methodology.

As for the methodology, it is not primarily a survey. That’s just a weak way of dismissing the results. What people seem to struggle with most is the comparison of student outcomes to expectations. Expectations account for two things: the quality of the student body and the regional cost of living. So, a Williams or Amherst faces more headwinds than Kenyon. Yet, there is no guarantee that Kenyon will punch above its weight. What’s eye opening is that HPYSM have probably the highest expectations hurdle, and yet, they jumped it - big time! Claremont McKenna and Davidson also standout here. Take note.

Yeah, Yale didn't "perform well". Like it was a contest they chose to enter. Like they GAFF where they are in this ranking. So funny...

All rankings are BS, but some rankings are more BS than others.

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Anonymous wrote:Olin School of Engineering is also an excellent school that many people probably never heard of.

Unless you are a skiier and use Olins.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

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I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

The same way people here have never heard of Babson, I never heard of W&M. I didn’t even know W&M had a business major.

I’m not so concerned about rankings. All I know is that the kids from Babson are usually rich and have good jobs after graduation. The rich probably helped them more than the actual college. The school is known for entrepreneurship.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

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I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

The same way people here have never heard of Babson, I never heard of W&M. I didn’t even know W&M had a business major.

I’m not so concerned about rankings. All I know is that the kids from Babson are usually rich and have good jobs after graduation. The rich probably helped them more than the actual college. The school is known for entrepreneurship.

Considering there are like 5 threads per week on William & Mary, I find it hard to believe you have never heard of it unless you are also claiming this is the first time you have visited DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

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I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

I guess everyone that graduates from Bismarck State (#1 undergraduate business by this report...by far), works in oil & gas?

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

+1
I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

The same way people here have never heard of Babson, I never heard of W&M. I didn’t even know W&M had a business major.

I’m not so concerned about rankings. All I know is that the kids from Babson are usually rich and have good jobs after graduation. The rich probably helped them more than the actual college. The school is known for entrepreneurship.

Considering there are like 5 threads per week on William & Mary, I find it hard to believe you have never heard of it unless you are also claiming this is the first time you have visited DCUM.

When I lived in Boston, I never heard of W&M. We are from NY.

I don’t want my kids to go to Babson or W&M. I was just commenting that Babson has strong outcomes. That is all. It is known for rich international students.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

+1
I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

The same way people here have never heard of Babson, I never heard of W&M. I didn’t even know W&M had a business major.

I’m not so concerned about rankings. All I know is that the kids from Babson are usually rich and have good jobs after graduation. The rich probably helped them more than the actual college. The school is known for entrepreneurship.

Considering there are like 5 threads per week on William & Mary, I find it hard to believe you have never heard of it unless you are also claiming this is the first time you have visited DCUM.

When I lived in Boston, I never heard of W&M. We are from NY.

I don’t want my kids to go to Babson or W&M. I was just commenting that Babson has strong outcomes. That is all. It is known for rich international students.

Frankly, that's insane. I'm from NE. W&M was commonly on the application list at my Greenwich, CT HS. Family in Boston all knew about it.

It's the 2nd oldest university in the nation for crying out loud. I tihnk it says more about posters than the actual school.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

+1
I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

The same way people here have never heard of Babson, I never heard of W&M. I didn’t even know W&M had a business major.

I’m not so concerned about rankings. All I know is that the kids from Babson are usually rich and have good jobs after graduation. The rich probably helped them more than the actual college. The school is known for entrepreneurship.

Considering there are like 5 threads per week on William & Mary, I find it hard to believe you have never heard of it unless you are also claiming this is the first time you have visited DCUM.

When I lived in Boston, I never heard of W&M. We are from NY.

I don’t want my kids to go to Babson or W&M. I was just commenting that Babson has strong outcomes. That is all. It is known for rich international students.

Frankly, that's insane. I'm from NE. W&M was commonly on the application list at my Greenwich, CT HS. Family in Boston all knew about it.

It's the 2nd oldest university in the nation for crying out loud. I tihnk it says more about posters than the actual school.

I didn’t hear about it and did not know one person who went there when I lived in Boston or NYC. I think it is an excellent liberal arts school and wanted my future premed child to have W&M as a safety/target. I wanted him to love it but he did not.

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Random number generation. These lists are built to drive "engagement." Move along, people.

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WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

+1

and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

+1

and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

+1

and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

Not to mention a lyric in a classic Steely Dan song!!

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

+1

and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

Not to mention a lyric in a classic Steely Dan song!!

DP. I'll triple down even though my son chose somewhere else.

W&M has been on the 'top public Ivy' list in the top 5 for DECADES. I remember reading about it and that list in 1988.