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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.


Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.


There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.



My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.


Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.[/quote

Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.


Then why do they have the same accreditations? Are you all boomers or something? There’s a serious disconnect between the real world and the world you all think we live in.


Because higher ed accreditations are also a joke.

It's odd you think I'm a boomer. The only people I know that have any sort of positive association with online programs are boomers and older gen-xers that paid for bogus graduate degrees from diploma mills. All the younger people actually went to school and know that you couldn't have a remotely similar experience online. And it shows when you look at staff abilities across the board.


Oh ok. I’ll just tell employers who they hire are jokes. 🙄


You really don't seem to have much experience with hiring. Everyone knows the diploma mills are jokes. If the job doesn't actually require a degree, and they just want to check a box that you have a degree, then sure, the diploma mills are fine.

But try shopping around an MS or DSc in a STEM field from a diploma mill.
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.


Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.


There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.



My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.


Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.


Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point


Then we shouldn't keep throwing money at it until they can get your "full picture." As long as VA keeps running, there is always going to be some lag between data availability and decisionmaking. We can use the next three years to study VA outcomes and consider bringing it back if the "full picture" indicates there was value.
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We'd get far more value out of $4M by diverting that money to snow removal, so we don't end up with everyone missing days of school because MCPS needs two full days to clear snow from parking lots.
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.


Then why do they have the same accreditations? Are you all boomers or something? There’s a serious disconnect between the real world and the world you all think we live in.


Because higher ed accreditations are also a joke.

It's odd you think I'm a boomer. The only people I know that have any sort of positive association with online programs are boomers and older gen-xers that paid for bogus graduate degrees from diploma mills. All the younger people actually went to school and know that you couldn't have a remotely similar experience online. And it shows when you look at staff abilities across the board.


Oh ok. I’ll just tell employers who they hire are jokes. 🙄


You really don't seem to have much experience with hiring. Everyone knows the diploma mills are jokes. If the job doesn't actually require a degree, and they just want to check a box that you have a degree, then sure, the diploma mills are fine.

But try shopping around an MS or DSc in a STEM field from a diploma mill.


I have thanks!!! In computer science. WHICH IS ALL ONLINE! Not everything is equal. And not everything is evil. My firm (government contractor) was an EEO. Many more I know do not and hence...why America needs equity measures. Not everyone has access to the same - but how dare you judge someone who got where they did because they do not meet your biased criteria. Harvard, Yale, Princeton...all have online programs, approved by the US Department of Education! There most likely is a high percentage of your child's teachers who have taken classes online for their coursework or professional development. But oh wait......we know what you feel about teachers. So ironic, considering you INSIST your dear children must be taught by them.
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.


Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.


There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.



My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.


Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.


Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point


Then we shouldn't keep throwing money at it until they can get your "full picture." As long as VA keeps running, there is always going to be some lag between data availability and decisionmaking. We can use the next three years to study VA outcomes and consider bringing it back if the "full picture" indicates there was value.


Ok let's look at all the programs in MCPS then and quit funding the ones where children are struggling. GREAT IDEA
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.


Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.


There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.



My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.


Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.


Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point


Then we shouldn't keep throwing money at it until they can get your "full picture." As long as VA keeps running, there is always going to be some lag between data availability and decisionmaking. We can use the next three years to study VA outcomes and consider bringing it back if the "full picture" indicates there was value.


Ok let's look at all the programs in MCPS then and quit funding the ones where children are struggling. GREAT IDEA


We need to do a full audit line by line of every penny MCPS spends and cut out the waste. Simple. The MVA is not wasteful and lots of kids on the waitlist who want in and cannot get in.

And, why don't we shut down the bottom 20% of the in-person schools as well. Quite a few have very low test scores. What is that ok?

Or, maybe we should invest more money into these struggling schools and provide them the staff and resources to help the struggling kids.
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Anonymous wrote:Welp, looks like at least one student wants us to continue the MVA because they are "shy" and like it because they can learn in a "comfortable environment."

I don't think this will be a convincing argument to the BOE lol.

Testimony posted on boardocs:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18pIh04bhCGVM6v32-ZLud5ELQXsOvuSS/view


Did you even read and actually listen to the testimony? Kinda sad that is all you got out of it.


Yes I did. It is sad really that parents are enabling this. Kids need to learn to navigate the world regardless of being shy. I was shy too, but I am grateful I had exposure to normal social situations. My son was bullied in middle school. I am sure many parents are shielding their bullied kids with VA, which is so so wrong. It's a form of child abuse.


Wow, you think it's ok your child was bullied and would let him remain in a bad situation over finding an alternative. That speaks volumes of you as a parent. As a parent, I'd do anything to get my child into a better school environment.

What you did was child abuse. Well, actually neglect. You knew your son was being bullied and you ignored it and now rationalize your behavior.

I feel so bad for your son to have to go through that without any support at home.


Yes, I let him figure it all out on his own and he ended up with friends for life from middle school, high school, and college. He is now a recent college graduate with lots of friends and a great job making close to six figures. Had I imprisoned him in our home, I am sure the outcome would have been tragic.


You are a neglectful parent. And, you don't have kids in MCPS and are grown, why are you trolling this board and stirring up trouble?

You are lucky he is ok as it could have been far worse. Lots of kids commit suicide over stuff like that.


I have a younger one there. She also is dealing with bullying and has done a great job navigating it on her own with additional supports at school. I don't need to pull her out of school because she's shy or different. Kids are mean in middle school...we all went through it. Shielding and protecting your kids from it only creates more problems down the road. They will never learn how to deal with awkward or difficult social situations.


Well I guess you will find out how successful she was dealing on her own after she’s an adult and has her own children. If she talks to you.


LOL we have a great relationship. I don't hover over her like the crazy nut case helicopter virtual parents.


I'm a proud helicopter parent and what's nice is I have a strong relationship with my kids as we get to spend time together as when they were in person between school and activities we barely saw each other.


Amen. I love havingmy kids at home with me, they are happy and thriving. Shame some people don't understand tat and want them forced back to bad schools.


This is a reason for the virtual academy? How about we just fix the schools?


For many families enrolled currently in the MVA, yes it is a reason. It is THE reason. Apart from the kids who have social anxiety, avoiding schools that parents deem too dangerous due to fighting, bullying, etc. is the most commonly cited reason for doing the MVA. It’s quite remarkable actually that these families have been able to take a pandemic learning tool and turn it into a school choice program for schools deemed too violent or emotionally unsafe to attend in person.


And when those kids get older and are forced to integrate to become productive members of society, how do you think that adjustment is going to go?


Kids with parents like you are why kids are bullying. You spend your days online bullying and trolling others instead of spending time with them. And, you probably bully them to so that's all they know.

Why do you care? It has no impact on your life.

Clearly its working given the numbers and speeches given tonight at the BOE.


That means there's a small number of people
that like it. It certainly doesn't mean it is working.


They only allowed a limited number of speeches and the room was packed full of MVA families and staff as well as many more outside.

The petition is almost to 1800 signatures and continuing to rise.

Why do you dismiss the testimony of families in the MVA when you have no experience with it? Why do you think you know what's best?

Are you that fake psychologist looking for her five minutes of fame.


Yes, we know. They were the only group all night to interrupt and try to shout down another person giving testimony at the meeting.


They didn't shout down anyone. And, of course they will support their school and speak the truth vs. her and others lies.


From what I observed last night, the MVA crowd was very rude to one particular speaker who asked that the board consider some of the data that was recently released and shared some of her experiences as a psychologist who sees families who were in the MVA who did not thrive. They even yelled at the speaker's daughter about the school she attends? Very rambunctious and classless crowd if you ask me. I guess this is what happens when you don't get out much. And what kind of role modeling is this for their kids, many of them who were present?

I also was struck by one student's testimony (alongside his dad) claiming that since he entered virtual academy, his grades went from "very low grades" in person to "100 percents in every single class" in the MVA. Straight 100s? Does MVA have a serious grade inflation issue? I hope BOE is aware of this.


No grade inflation. Probably parent support. The speaker has no direct experience with the mva. That was the issue. She has never spoken to anyone or directly observed it.

You would be passionate if they ere trying to close your child’s school. Be real.


I am being real. I prefer to look at facts and data, not go on the testimonies of people making spectacles of themselves. It really was over the top and unseemly.

Not only did that presenter have hard facts and data, she DID have direct contact with families who were in the MVA (her clients).



And who are you? You aren’t important or even relevant to the conversation. And first person experiences - not a random doctor whose “expertise” I would question very hard - also count as data. Any doctor that “testifies” before the board like that looks like an absolute unprofessional fool. I would have reported her to her state board if my child was her client. No one is forcing virtual down anyone’s throat, so I would blame that doctor and the parents for not getting appropriate help for their child. Not blame a school program I voluntarily enrolled my child in. What an idiot. Again- The virtual academy is not the same in any way as what was previously used during the pandemic. It’s been many years and the program is changing and evolving as any program should do.

Whatever hard facts mean to you you still don’t understand how to critical think and form an unbiased opinion. Go find a hobby please. Or go back to school. In person obviously for you 🙄


How is virtual academy not the same as during the pandemic. Please explain. Do you mean smaller classes?
Do students have to keep their cameras on?


Hi! I'd love to tell you a little bit about the VA as a teacher at the upper school (former due to staffing cuts)

1. I LOVED WORKING THERE - the teachers I had the privilege to work with are dedicated and advocate for each one of their students. They are phenomenal and some I consider lifelong friends now. Isn't that crazy? We barely saw each other, but I feel more connected to them than other teachers in the building I am now.

2. Cameras are required to be on. If not, there is a protocol w/ admin and I cannot speak to what happens if one isn't on now, but I know it's a requirement.

3. The upper school has the same schedule (grades 6-12). This means high schoolers finally have a later start time! Everyone goes to school from 8:15-3 pm (at least last year)

4. Classes are 5 days a week. No days off, unless MCPS says so. They run on a block schedule, so classes typically are 75 min long and meet every other day.

5. Students have advisory - last year it was 25 min a day 5x a week. There are built-in office hours/study halls at the end of the day that are required for students to attend. This means that students get EXTRA help from their teachers and many get much more individualized support than they ever would in person.

6. Lunch is an hour long, and all students are on the same schedule. This tracks with about the same time high school gets (45-60 min depending on which one you are at). This is great for parents with kids in different grades. There are social clubs and peer tutoring during lunch, so kids can get even MORE support.

7. There are social clubs after school run by staff (Anime, Art, Video games, Book Wars, etc). Students run the morning announcements as well (They are so amazing at it too).

8. Students are taught the same curriculum as in person - so that if they did go back in person at any point (it was flexible the first 2 years), then they would be on track.

9. Gradebooks are monitored like I have never seen before - the admin team is ON it to make sure all teachers in all cohorts are on the same page. That was a bit annoying as a teacher because not every class is the same (for example, some classes might have more special education students, so you might have more practice assignments..etc). But it's great for parents and students because they know exactly what their students are doing. Everything is in one place (MyMCPS).


Lots more, but it runs like any other MCPS school. It's just in your home. I understand why parents are upset it might be cut. It's a really good program run by extremely dedicated and knowledgeable staff.

Hope that helps!


After reading this, it seems like virtual should be expanded to give more students access to smaller class sizes and personalization? Doesn’t seem fair that this is essentially a privilege for the few…..


That would eat away at the justification for keeping VA that has been presented in these threads-- it may be ineffective, but at least it is small.

So you want to make it big, expensive, and ineffective?


I thought all the VA kids were doing amazing? Are you saying they're not? So confused.


They're doing great as long as you don't care about academic performance or peer interaction.


Academics are better in virtual. We’ve done both. And, you can get peer interaction outside school but that would mean putting time into your kids which you refuse to do.


Yet somehow academic outcomes are worse.

So you blaming it on the abysmal attendance rates in VA? Even if the academic were somehow better, that doesn't matter if no one expects the students to show up.


There are medically fragile kids who spend weeks in the hospital and have tons of appointments. We don't have the data to know if kids are skipping or it's for medical reasons.

Why are you so obsessed?

I know because I have kids in both and when one transitioned out they were on target or really ahead.
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.


Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.


There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.



My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.


Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.


Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point


Then we shouldn't keep throwing money at it until they can get your "full picture." As long as VA keeps running, there is always going to be some lag between data availability and decisionmaking. We can use the next three years to study VA outcomes and consider bringing it back if the "full picture" indicates there was value.


Ok let's look at all the programs in MCPS then and quit funding the ones where children are struggling. GREAT IDEA


We need to do a full audit line by line of every penny MCPS spends and cut out the waste. Simple. The MVA is not wasteful and lots of kids on the waitlist who want in and cannot get in.

And, why don't we shut down the bottom 20% of the in-person schools as well. Quite a few have very low test scores. What is that ok?

Or, maybe we should invest more money into these struggling schools and provide them the staff and resources to help the struggling kids.


Thank you! Finally a voice of reason. Every child deserves the same access to an education, not matter what it looks like. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. But it's unethical to slam the door in their face and not try to see how to help support everyone the best they can.
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Anonymous wrote:We'd get far more value out of $4M by diverting that money to snow removal, so we don't end up with everyone missing days of school because MCPS needs two full days to clear snow from parking lots.


If you want snow removal, then get a shovel and start digging.

No reason that MCPS could not have gone virtual for snow days.
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.


Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.


There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.



My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.


Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.


Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point


Then we shouldn't keep throwing money at it until they can get your "full picture." As long as VA keeps running, there is always going to be some lag between data availability and decisionmaking. We can use the next three years to study VA outcomes and consider bringing it back if the "full picture" indicates there was value.


Ok let's look at all the programs in MCPS then and quit funding the ones where children are struggling. GREAT IDEA


We need to do a full audit line by line of every penny MCPS spends and cut out the waste. Simple. The MVA is not wasteful and lots of kids on the waitlist who want in and cannot get in.

And, why don't we shut down the bottom 20% of the in-person schools as well. Quite a few have very low test scores. What is that ok?

Or, maybe we should invest more money into these struggling schools and provide them the staff and resources to help the struggling kids.


Thank you! Finally a voice of reason. Every child deserves the same access to an education, not matter what it looks like. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. But it's unethical to slam the door in their face and not try to see how to help support everyone the best they can.


It makes no sense people are obsessed with shutting down a program that has no impact on them or their kids.
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.


LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.
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Anonymous wrote:We'd get far more value out of $4M by diverting that money to snow removal, so we don't end up with everyone missing days of school because MCPS needs two full days to clear snow from parking lots.


AMEN!
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Anonymous wrote:We'd get far more value out of $4M by diverting that money to snow removal, so we don't end up with everyone missing days of school because MCPS needs two full days to clear snow from parking lots.


If you want snow removal, then get a shovel and start digging.

No reason that MCPS could not have gone virtual for snow days.


OMG, please. Just write it off as a day off...it's exactly the same thing.
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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.


MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.


You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.


LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.


Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.
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