Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

So what is the weapons person’s job or should the actor micro manage every aspect of the shoot?

It’s the responsibility of any person handling a gun to make sure it’s not loaded. That’s not micro managing and has nothing to do with any other part of the shoot. Its the first rule of holding a weapon. If someone handed you a gun and says it’s not loaded wouldn’t you check before pointing it at someone?

[Anonymous]

Something that makes me sick is that I wonder if scrutiny would be so high right now if the person who died had been a gaffer or cameraman, instead of the cinematographer. People are so dismissive of crew safety in this industry. Often the assumption is that these jobs carry inherent risk that is no big deal, which is offensive and dangerous. No one should ever have to risk their life to get a movie made. No one.

That's a great point, thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

So what is the weapons person’s job or should the actor micro manage every aspect of the shoot?

Interesting; I don't see it as micromanaging but as verifying personal safety. I imagine that with other aspects of a shoot, like stunts, actors might double-check things, like on safety harnesses or such.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long work hours aren't unsafe, and not getting put up in Santa Fe hotels isn't unsafe.

Filming during covid is stressful and unfun but still happening. What happened is that someone made a mistake. Whether it was the head armorer or someone else will be determined.

^ Typed by a lazy loser who has never worked a long day in their life. Get bent you worthless jerk.

Filming involves long hours. And living in the West involves lots of driving. Santa Fe isn't Taos but it's still $$$$.

There are always massive problems during shooting. Usually, people do their jobs effectively enough for people not to die. Not this time though.

Are you the one hoping that Baldwin is charged with manslaughter?

No. I’m a member of the IA that drove 70 miles to set yesterday.

I am so sorry. What happened out there was unacceptable. Sending solidarity your way. -AFT member

Thank you. I’m currently working in the Midwest under a standard area agreement. We had a head on collision on second unit a few weeks ago. BG was in the car. No one can explain why BG was in the car. We had a teenager with a head injury for what? There doesn’t seem to have been any thing done about it. The industry has been a slow moving train wreck for a while now.

I’m so sorry. What does BG refer to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

Not to kick him when he's down, but he doesn't seem like the kind of careful person who thinks of these things, training or no. Bottom line, there are a number of protection layers that have been built into firearm use on film sets, and they are the reason we don't have more accidents and deaths. It takes an extraordinary combination of circumstances for all protection layers to be ignored, and for someone to actually get shot.

Sadly, this is what happened here. The most pressing fix is to make sure there is a qualified and reliable armorer/prop person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

So what is the weapons person’s job or should the actor micro manage every aspect of the shoot?

It’s the responsibility of any person handling a gun to make sure it’s not loaded. That’s not micro managing and has nothing to do with any other part of the shoot. Its the first rule of holding a weapon. If someone handed you a gun and says it’s not loaded wouldn’t you check before pointing it at someone?

I'm so curious about this. I absolutely agree with you when it comes to hunting, target shooting, etc. But I would think the "rules" are different in an acting environment. The gun is a prop, a dangerous one, but a prop nonetheless. As I mentioned before, I can't imagine that every actor who has used a gun checks it first. (And honestly, I wouldn't even expect them to know how. I don't.) This seems knowable though. There has to be a standard practice in the industry...and nothing I've seen in my casual following of this story has indicated that actors normally do what you are saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

Not to kick him when he's down, but he doesn't seem like the kind of careful person who thinks of these things, training or no. Bottom line, there are a number of protection layers that have been built into firearm use on film sets, and they are the reason we don't have more accidents and deaths. It takes an extraordinary combination of circumstances for all protection layers to be ignored, and for someone to actually get shot.

Sadly, this is what happened here. The most pressing fix is to make sure there is a qualified and reliable armorer/prop person.

The protections put in place on sets are because of UNIONS. They were ignoring the safety measures which is why the union crew walked off. The gun had already misfired multiple times, it should have been replaced and the scenes reshot. But they brought in scabs instead and someone died because of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

Not to kick him when he's down, but he doesn't seem like the kind of careful person who thinks of these things, training or no. Bottom line, there are a number of protection layers that have been built into firearm use on film sets, and they are the reason we don't have more accidents and deaths. It takes an extraordinary combination of circumstances for all protection layers to be ignored, and for someone to actually get shot.

Sadly, this is what happened here. The most pressing fix is to make sure there is a qualified and reliable armorer/prop person.

The protections put in place on sets are because of UNIONS. They were ignoring the safety measures which is why the union crew walked off. The gun had already misfired multiple times, it should have been replaced and the scenes reshot. But they brought in scabs instead and someone died because of it.

Where did you read that the gun involved in the incident misfired multiple times?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

That makes the sheriff's job easy.

Why doesn't he know that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

Not to kick him when he's down, but he doesn't seem like the kind of careful person who thinks of these things, training or no. Bottom line, there are a number of protection layers that have been built into firearm use on film sets, and they are the reason we don't have more accidents and deaths. It takes an extraordinary combination of circumstances for all protection layers to be ignored, and for someone to actually get shot.

I think a lot of people are oblivious as to how many people are killed in the workplace. In the US, an average of 15 people a day die on the job. I am in a high risk industry and believe me the union folks have their fair share of accidental workplace deaths. In almost every case, the accident is preventable and also in most cases there was more than one lapse in safety procedure (as seems to be the case here). This case, sadly would have been lucky to make the local Santa Fe news if Baldwin were not involved. This poor woman was but just one of 15 people who die every day on the job.



Sadly, this is what happened here. The most pressing fix is to make sure there is a qualified and reliable armorer/prop person.

The protections put in place on sets are because of UNIONS. They were ignoring the safety measures which is why the union crew walked off. The gun had already misfired multiple times, it should have been replaced and the scenes reshot. But they brought in scabs instead and someone died because of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

Not to kick him when he's down, but he doesn't seem like the kind of careful person who thinks of these things, training or no. Bottom line, there are a number of protection layers that have been built into firearm use on film sets, and they are the reason we don't have more accidents and deaths. It takes an extraordinary combination of circumstances for all protection layers to be ignored, and for someone to actually get shot.

I think a lot of people are oblivious as to how many people are killed in the workplace. In the US, an average of 15 people a day die on the job. I am in a high risk industry and believe me the union folks have their fair share of accidental workplace deaths. In almost every case, the accident is preventable and also in most cases there was more than one lapse in safety procedure (as seems to be the case here). This case, sadly would have been lucky to make the local Santa Fe news if Baldwin were not involved. This poor woman was but just one of 15 people who die every day on the job.



Sadly, this is what happened here. The most pressing fix is to make sure there is a qualified and reliable armorer/prop person.

The protections put in place on sets are because of UNIONS. They were ignoring the safety measures which is why the union crew walked off. The gun had already misfired multiple times, it should have been replaced and the scenes reshot. But they brought in scabs instead and someone died because of it.

I think a lot of people are oblivious as to how many people are killed in the workplace. In the US, an average of 15 people a day die on the job. I am in a high risk industry and believe me the union folks have their fair share of accidental workplace deaths. In almost every case, the accident is preventable and also in most cases there was more than one lapse in safety procedure (as seems to be the case here). This case, sadly would have been lucky to make the local Santa Fe news if Baldwin were not involved. This poor woman was but just one of 15 people who die every day on the job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

Not to kick him when he's down, but he doesn't seem like the kind of careful person who thinks of these things, training or no. Bottom line, there are a number of protection layers that have been built into firearm use on film sets, and they are the reason we don't have more accidents and deaths. It takes an extraordinary combination of circumstances for all protection layers to be ignored, and for someone to actually get shot.

Sadly, this is what happened here. The most pressing fix is to make sure there is a qualified and reliable armorer/prop person.

The protections put in place on sets are because of UNIONS. They were ignoring the safety measures which is why the union crew walked off. The gun had already misfired multiple times, it should have been replaced and the scenes reshot. But they brought in scabs instead and someone died because of it.

Where did you read that the gun involved in the incident misfired multiple times?

It’s in every article I’ve read about it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

That makes the sheriff's job easy.

Why doesn't he know that?

It’s only been a few days. Alec Baldwin will 100% face manslaughter charges at some point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

He’s pretty anti gun, so I’d assume no. It’s a shame because if he had, he’d know the first rule is verify it’s not loaded.

Not to kick him when he's down, but he doesn't seem like the kind of careful person who thinks of these things, training or no. Bottom line, there are a number of protection layers that have been built into firearm use on film sets, and they are the reason we don't have more accidents and deaths. It takes an extraordinary combination of circumstances for all protection layers to be ignored, and for someone to actually get shot.

Sadly, this is what happened here. The most pressing fix is to make sure there is a qualified and reliable armorer/prop person.

The protections put in place on sets are because of UNIONS. They were ignoring the safety measures which is why the union crew walked off. The gun had already misfired multiple times, it should have been replaced and the scenes reshot. But they brought in scabs instead and someone died because of it.

Where did you read that the gun involved in the incident misfired multiple times?

It’s in every article I’ve read about it

Here’s one from NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prop-gun-alec-baldwin-use-fire-fatal-shot-misfired-rcna3635