ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

As the old saying goes, the Devil is in the details. What I can figure is we won't know until a clear policy is written to discuss these details.
1.) We don't know for sure this will be voted on an approved. (But yes, most rumors indicate this will occur.)
2.) The policy would have to specify what the grouping is based on exactly:
---a.) Will it be the actual grade year (i.e. Graduation Year) the kid is in or...
---b.) Will it be birth dates that generally align with the school year (i.e. 1 August to 31 July)

In scenario a.) All kids in the game grade (regardless of actual birthday or birth year) are grouped together on a team.
In scenario b.) All kids born in specific date range 1 August year 2024 to 31 July 2025 (for example) will be on a team.

In either scenario, there are problems. We are trading a current set of problems for a new set of problems, this is why some people are wondering if the current birth year grouping will actually be changed with widespread approval. We shall see.

Will the kid have an option of playing a grade/ year lower? A guess by the uninformed is almost as good a guess by the most informed. That is to say who knows what waivers and exceptions they will allow for, if any at all. Generally speaking, kids are not allowed to play down (except in MLS next with Bio-Banding), they are only allowed to play up if good enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

Not enough information here. Is the October birthday in the proper grade, or started school early effectively skipping a grade? I.e., is the October birthday 5 months older than the March birthday, or 7 months younger?

If the October birthday is older, they have no option to play down. If the October birthday is younger, yes, they would be able to play down with the grade lower because that is his/her proper grade according to the cutoffs. In that case, the October birthday would have to try to play up if he/she wanted to play with grade level due to choosing to start school a year early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

As the old saying goes, the Devil is in the details. What I can figure is we won't know until a clear policy is written to discuss these details.
1.) We don't know for sure this will be voted on an approved. (But yes, most rumors indicate this will occur.)
2.) The policy would have to specify what the grouping is based on exactly:
---a.) Will it be the actual grade year (i.e. Graduation Year) the kid is in or...
---b.) Will it be birth dates that generally align with the school year (i.e. 1 August to 31 July)

In scenario a.) All kids in the game grade (regardless of actual birthday or birth year) are grouped together on a team.
In scenario b.) All kids born in specific date range 1 August year 2024 to 31 July 2025 (for example) will be on a team.

In either scenario, there are problems. We are trading a current set of problems for a new set of problems, this is why some people are wondering if the current birth year grouping will actually be changed with widespread approval. We shall see.

Will the kid have an option of playing a grade/ year lower? A guess by the uninformed is almost as good a guess by the most informed. That is to say who knows what waivers and exceptions they will allow for, if any at all. Generally speaking, kids are not allowed to play down (except in MLS next with Bio-Banding), they are only allowed to play up if good enough.

9 days left!

[Anonymous]

See how the GY people are trying to get involved

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you aren't paying attention or don't have the capacity to understand the primary and secondary effects. No worries, everybody is paying attention.

If your kid is disciplined, focused, putting in the right work consistently in and outside team practices and is currently performing above average against their peers, then the administrative date change to cutoffs doesn't affect them.

It's just noise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

As the old saying goes, the Devil is in the details. What I can figure is we won't know until a clear policy is written to discuss these details.
1.) We don't know for sure this will be voted on an approved. (But yes, most rumors indicate this will occur.)
2.) The policy would have to specify what the grouping is based on exactly:
---a.) Will it be the actual grade year (i.e. Graduation Year) the kid is in or...
---b.) Will it be birth dates that generally align with the school year (i.e. 1 August to 31 July)

In scenario a.) All kids in the game grade (regardless of actual birthday or birth year) are grouped together on a team.
In scenario b.) All kids born in specific date range 1 August year 2024 to 31 July 2025 (for example) will be on a team.

In either scenario, there are problems. We are trading a current set of problems for a new set of problems, this is why some people are wondering if the current birth year grouping will actually be changed with widespread approval. We shall see.

Will the kid have an option of playing a grade/ year lower? A guess by the uninformed is almost as good a guess by the most informed. That is to say who knows what waivers and exceptions they will allow for, if any at all. Generally speaking, kids are not allowed to play down (except in MLS next with Bio-Banding), they are only allowed to play up if good enough.

9 days left!

Will we get to 300 pages with nothing new between now and then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

As the old saying goes, the Devil is in the details. What I can figure is we won't know until a clear policy is written to discuss these details.
1.) We don't know for sure this will be voted on an approved. (But yes, most rumors indicate this will occur.)
2.) The policy would have to specify what the grouping is based on exactly:
---a.) Will it be the actual grade year (i.e. Graduation Year) the kid is in or...
---b.) Will it be birth dates that generally align with the school year (i.e. 1 August to 31 July)

In scenario a.) All kids in the game grade (regardless of actual birthday or birth year) are grouped together on a team.
In scenario b.) All kids born in specific date range 1 August year 2024 to 31 July 2025 (for example) will be on a team.

In either scenario, there are problems. We are trading a current set of problems for a new set of problems, this is why some people are wondering if the current birth year grouping will actually be changed with widespread approval. We shall see.

Will the kid have an option of playing a grade/ year lower? A guess by the uninformed is almost as good a guess by the most informed. That is to say who knows what waivers and exceptions they will allow for, if any at all. Generally speaking, kids are not allowed to play down (except in MLS next with Bio-Banding), they are only allowed to play up if good enough.

9 days left!

Will we get to 300 pages with nothing new between now and then. [/quote

Only if you really believe!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

Actual grades (most likely) matter. Proposal is to go from Jan-Dec to Aug-July (or possibly Sep-Aug) so do the "math" from there.

So, is your claim that grades AND cut-of-month dates will be the metric used to shift players around?

No, bad typo.Meant grades won't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

As the old saying goes, the Devil is in the details. What I can figure is we won't know until a clear policy is written to discuss these details.
1.) We don't know for sure this will be voted on an approved. (But yes, most rumors indicate this will occur.)
2.) The policy would have to specify what the grouping is based on exactly:
---a.) Will it be the actual grade year (i.e. Graduation Year) the kid is in or...
---b.) Will it be birth dates that generally align with the school year (i.e. 1 August to 31 July)

In scenario a.) All kids in the game grade (regardless of actual birthday or birth year) are grouped together on a team.
In scenario b.) All kids born in specific date range 1 August year 2024 to 31 July 2025 (for example) will be on a team.

In either scenario, there are problems. We are trading a current set of problems for a new set of problems, this is why some people are wondering if the current birth year grouping will actually be changed with widespread approval. We shall see.

Will the kid have an option of playing a grade/ year lower? A guess by the uninformed is almost as good a guess by the most informed. That is to say who knows what waivers and exceptions they will allow for, if any at all. Generally speaking, kids are not allowed to play down (except in MLS next with Bio-Banding), they are only allowed to play up if good enough.

9 days left!

And then We find out who’s Jan-March kids are good at soccer or just benefited from RAE. The truth is coming for many people very soon.

[Anonymous]

Excellent post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

Not enough information here. Is the October birthday in the proper grade, or started school early effectively skipping a grade? I.e., is the October birthday 5 months older than the March birthday, or 7 months younger?

If the October birthday is older, they have no option to play down. If the October birthday is younger, yes, they would be able to play down with the grade lower because that is his/her proper grade according to the cutoffs. In that case, the October birthday would have to try to play up if he/she wanted to play with grade level due to choosing to start school a year early.

Both in the 7th grade and born the same year. The march kid is older than the October kid by 7 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you aren't paying attention or don't have the capacity to understand the primary and secondary effects. No worries, everybody is paying attention.

If your kid is disciplined, focused, putting in the right work consistently in and outside team practices and is currently performing above average against their peers, then the administrative date change to cutoffs doesn't affect them.

It's just noise.

This is noise that is permeated by coaches trying to work side hustles on kids and parents for cash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you aren't paying attention or don't have the capacity to understand the primary and secondary effects. No worries, everybody is paying attention.

If your kid is disciplined, focused, putting in the right work consistently in and outside team practices and is currently performing above average against their peers, then the administrative date change to cutoffs doesn't affect them.

It's just noise.

Nope, relative age effect is real. Some kids will essentially be 6 months older in their respective age bracket and some kids will essentially be 6 months younger. It will effect everyone, even the ones that try to play up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

Not enough information here. Is the October birthday in the proper grade, or started school early effectively skipping a grade? I.e., is the October birthday 5 months older than the March birthday, or 7 months younger?

If the October birthday is older, they have no option to play down. If the October birthday is younger, yes, they would be able to play down with the grade lower because that is his/her proper grade according to the cutoffs. In that case, the October birthday would have to try to play up if he/she wanted to play with grade level due to choosing to start school a year early.

Both in the 7th grade and born the same year. The march kid is older than the October kid by 7 months.

It will still have a birth year anchor, but the dates will move. So, if you have a 3/2012 7th grader and a 10/2012 7th grader, the 10/2012 7th grader will be playing with a grade below them the next year. So that 10/2012 8th grader will be playing with mostly* 7th graders whose birthdays fall between 8/1/2012 - 7/31/2013. So in your example, the Q4 kid (here the Oct. birthday) would be playing "down" (we are defining "down" using the old system of birth year) with the 7th graders because of the cutoff. Whether or not the Q4 kid has the option to play "up" can continuing to play with their March 2012 friend, will likely depend on the club.

[Anonymous]

That’s why we need Grad year.