ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the exact rule for this? At this point, all seems speculation. A good link explaining the details will be great.

https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/school-year-age-grouping-us-soccer/

The is the most fact filled discussion of what is going on.

Thanks so much, really helpful.

Was it?

It basically admits that the movement against BY was a PR campaign because (some) “parents voices need to be heard.”

It also poses the question sarcastically about the YNT but then later admits “yea, this will hurt our most elite youth soccer players” but “parents voices need to be heard.”

Basically this is the “ballad of the second team bench warmers parent.” If my kid sucks, everyone must suffer.

I understand the Tyler Durden approach, but it’s just awful. This whole thing has been a crock.

Usynt players either play up 2 years or in mls academy. Sy or by will have no impact to them.

[Anonymous]

My son, a 2010 Dec. MLSN player, is between the starter and bench, depending on who shows up. We watched two 2011 ECNL games for the past weekend. One of the teams is the current No. 1 in the league. My son feels he will be among the top 3/4 players on the younger team. We will see if he can practice with them after 11/22 to check his level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This vote can't come soon enough!

Yep and if they delay announcement after Nov 22, people are going to lose their minds!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the exact rule for this? At this point, all seems speculation. A good link explaining the details will be great.

https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/school-year-age-grouping-us-soccer/

The is the most fact filled discussion of what is going on.

Thanks so much, really helpful.

Was it?

It basically admits that the movement against BY was a PR campaign because (some) “parents voices need to be heard.”

It also poses the question sarcastically about the YNT but then later admits “yea, this will hurt our most elite youth soccer players” but “parents voices need to be heard.”

Basically this is the “ballad of the second team bench warmers parent.” If my kid sucks, everyone must suffer.

I understand the Tyler Durden approach, but it’s just awful. This whole thing has been a crock.

It was a solid summary, you're just a selfish hater.

[Anonymous]

If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

Correct. I don't understand why ANYONE except for Q1 parents whose kids have benefitted from RAE for the last 7-8 years would be concerned about the change to SY. And even there the concern is rooted in the fact that they've had an advantage all this time and now they're worried that advantage is being taken away (which it is). There is ZERO other basis to the "concern". Because if your kid wants (and is talented enough) to play a grade "up" with all of his/her current friends, they can still do that - so any arguments that little Suzy is a Q4 baby and is in 7nd grade but wants to keep playing with her 8th grade "BY teammates" after the change can still do that. You can always play up. Always.

Maybe a close 2nd would be Q4 parents whose kid is in the lower talent pool of the A team who therefore might get get pushed to the B team due to "incoming" Q4 kids from the year prior crowding out the A team roster; but again, the solution there is simply to realign to the new "younger" A team to which your kid naturally aligns from a SY birthday anyway. Sure it will require some teammate changes, but that is the life of youth sports.

Anyone who thinks this change impacts their kid from joining a YNT is delusional. DELUSIONAL. This isn't why your kid won't be invited to play with YNT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

Correct. I don't understand why ANYONE except for Q1 parents whose kids have benefitted from RAE for the last 7-8 years would be concerned about the change to SY. And even there the concern is rooted in the fact that they've had an advantage all this time and now they're worried that advantage is being taken away (which it is). There is ZERO other basis to the "concern". Because if your kid wants (and is talented enough) to play a grade "up" with all of his/her current friends, they can still do that - so any arguments that little Suzy is a Q4 baby and is in 7nd grade but wants to keep playing with her 8th grade "BY teammates" after the change can still do that. You can always play up. Always.

Maybe a close 2nd would be Q4 parents whose kid is in the lower talent pool of the A team who therefore might get get pushed to the B team due to "incoming" Q4 kids from the year prior crowding out the A team roster; but again, the solution there is simply to realign to the new "younger" A team to which your kid naturally aligns from a SY birthday anyway. Sure it will require some teammate changes, but that is the life of youth sports.

Anyone who thinks this change impacts their kid from joining a YNT is delusional. DELUSIONAL. This isn't why your kid won't be invited to play with YNT.

The weakest kids on a team aren’t automatically the youngest. There are some Q1-Q3 kids who will probably get bumped from A to B teams due to Q4 kids from the prior birth year coming down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

Correct. I don't understand why ANYONE except for Q1 parents whose kids have benefitted from RAE for the last 7-8 years would be concerned about the change to SY. And even there the concern is rooted in the fact that they've had an advantage all this time and now they're worried that advantage is being taken away (which it is). There is ZERO other basis to the "concern". Because if your kid wants (and is talented enough) to play a grade "up" with all of his/her current friends, they can still do that - so any arguments that little Suzy is a Q4 baby and is in 7nd grade but wants to keep playing with her 8th grade "BY teammates" after the change can still do that. You can always play up. Always.

Maybe a close 2nd would be Q4 parents whose kid is in the lower talent pool of the A team who therefore might get get pushed to the B team due to "incoming" Q4 kids from the year prior crowding out the A team roster; but again, the solution there is simply to realign to the new "younger" A team to which your kid naturally aligns from a SY birthday anyway. Sure it will require some teammate changes, but that is the life of youth sports.

Anyone who thinks this change impacts their kid from joining a YNT is delusional. DELUSIONAL. This isn't why your kid won't be invited to play with YNT.

The weakest kids on a team aren’t automatically the youngest. There are some Q1-Q3 kids who will probably get bumped from A to B teams due to Q4 kids from the prior birth year coming down.

Yes will happen, and as the parent of a kid who has absolutely thrived as the top player on the B team as opposed to a bottom half player on the A team, might be the best thing that could happen to them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you aren't paying attention or don't have the capacity to understand the primary and secondary effects. No worries, everybody is paying attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the exact rule for this? At this point, all seems speculation. A good link explaining the details will be great.

https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/school-year-age-grouping-us-soccer/

The is the most fact filled discussion of what is going on.

Thanks so much, really helpful.

Was it?

It basically admits that the movement against BY was a PR campaign because (some) “parents voices need to be heard.”

It also poses the question sarcastically about the YNT but then later admits “yea, this will hurt our most elite youth soccer players” but “parents voices need to be heard.”

Basically this is the “ballad of the second team bench warmers parent.” If my kid sucks, everyone must suffer.

I understand the Tyler Durden approach, but it’s just awful. This whole thing has been a crock.

Thr article is completely one sided and written by someone that loves SY groupings.

I like BY because it's easy to deploy and you don't have to worry about the SY cutoffs or players playing down for wins. Also everyone currently is BY so everything works.

What's going to happen is there will be parents complaining up a storm about when their kid started school and others are going to try to exploit the system playing down asking for things like waivers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't worried or concerned about a cutoff date change, then you and your kid are doing things right.

Correct. I don't understand why ANYONE except for Q1 parents whose kids have benefitted from RAE for the last 7-8 years would be concerned about the change to SY. And even there the concern is rooted in the fact that they've had an advantage all this time and now they're worried that advantage is being taken away (which it is). There is ZERO other basis to the "concern". Because if your kid wants (and is talented enough) to play a grade "up" with all of his/her current friends, they can still do that - so any arguments that little Suzy is a Q4 baby and is in 7nd grade but wants to keep playing with her 8th grade "BY teammates" after the change can still do that. You can always play up. Always.

Maybe a close 2nd would be Q4 parents whose kid is in the lower talent pool of the A team who therefore might get get pushed to the B team due to "incoming" Q4 kids from the year prior crowding out the A team roster; but again, the solution there is simply to realign to the new "younger" A team to which your kid naturally aligns from a SY birthday anyway. Sure it will require some teammate changes, but that is the life of youth sports.

Anyone who thinks this change impacts their kid from joining a YNT is delusional. DELUSIONAL. This isn't why your kid won't be invited to play with YNT.

The weakest kids on a team aren’t automatically the youngest. There are some Q1-Q3 kids who will probably get bumped from A to B teams due to Q4 kids from the prior birth year coming down.

Maybe, but would expect parents of kids born in the summer to be generally more nervous and vocal than parents of kids born in Q1.

[Anonymous]

Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the exact rule for this? At this point, all seems speculation. A good link explaining the details will be great.

https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/school-year-age-grouping-us-soccer/

The is the most fact filled discussion of what is going on.

Thanks so much, really helpful.

Was it?

It basically admits that the movement against BY was a PR campaign because (some) “parents voices need to be heard.”

It also poses the question sarcastically about the YNT but then later admits “yea, this will hurt our most elite youth soccer players” but “parents voices need to be heard.”

Basically this is the “ballad of the second team bench warmers parent.” If my kid sucks, everyone must suffer.

I understand the Tyler Durden approach, but it’s just awful. This whole thing has been a crock.

Thr article is completely one sided and written by someone that loves SY groupings.

I like BY because it's easy to deploy and you don't have to worry about the SY cutoffs or players playing down for wins. Also everyone currently is BY so everything works.

What's going to happen is there will be parents complaining up a storm about when their kid started school and others are going to try to exploit the system playing down asking for things like waivers.

Seems like the article was completely one-sided because the argument for SY is pretty one-sided. It did note the pro-BY arguments. As for any fear of waivers or strict GY in the future, as long as that doesn't kick in until high school ages, everything should work out fine. Bring on the change and let's get this over with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

Actual grades (most likely) matter. Proposal is to go from Jan-Dec to Aug-July (or possibly Sep-Aug) so do the "math" from there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if discussed on the previous 239 pages but what if an October Q4 kid and a March Q1 kid are in the same grade? Does the Q4 kid have the option of playing a grade/year lower?

Actual grades (most likely) matter. Proposal is to go from Jan-Dec to Aug-July (or possibly Sep-Aug) so do the "math" from there.

So, is your claim that grades AND cut-of-month dates will be the metric used to shift players around?