Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will definitely be interesting to see what they do. A recent communication mentioned wanting to align the middle and high school pathways. So they would need to move Crossfield to Franklin if it stays at Oakton, and Fox Mill to Hughes if it stays at South Lakes. The question is then who moves to Skyview and does their middle school change as a result? I still think Lee’s Corner is in play. But moving them to Skyview would require a move to Carson for middle school and I’m not totally convinced they would do that, so who knows. We all know the simplest thing would be to move Crossfield to Skyview. It would not require changes to middle schools for multiple elementary schools. But we know the people fighting it don’t care about that and would rather have a bunch of other kids moved around so they can get what they want.

Since Lees Corner feeds Chantilly, and Rocky Run is significantly underutilized, it seems like they will either get aligned to Skyview OR move to Rocky Run as a feeder middle school.

Armfield Farms backs up to Franklin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

FCPS has a "possibilities" fairy problem and has had one for decades. Reid, the SB, ... all looking to burnish their resumes for the next job by dreaming up whatever strikes their fancy. JI, FLES, IB, ... are far more exciting than making the buses run on time or maintaining hundreds of school buildings. If the operations people had been able to keep the possibilities fairies away from KAA before they'd gutted it, FCPS would be getting exactly what this part of the County has needed ever since they built Carson - a community HS for about 2000 students.

And they'd have gotten the community HS for a song. People have been treating the cost of KAA as if land were free and freely available now and forever. The reality is all available large plots of land in Western Fairfax/Eastern Loudoun are getting snapped up as soon as they become available for $3M+ an acre - GW just sold their property in Loudoun for $4M per. Use $3M, the land itself would have cost $120M, the building was only $30M.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

FCPS has a "possibilities" fairy problem and has had one for decades. Reid, the SB, ... all looking to burnish their resumes for the next job by dreaming up whatever strikes their fancy. JI, FLES, IB, ... are far more exciting than making the buses run on time or maintaining hundreds of school buildings. If the operations people had been able to keep the possibilities fairies away from KAA before they'd gutted it, FCPS would be getting exactly what this part of the County has needed ever since they built Carson - a community HS for about 2000 students.

And they'd have gotten the community HS for a song. People have been treating the cost of KAA as if land were free and freely available now and forever. The reality is all available large plots of land in Western Fairfax/Eastern Loudoun are getting snapped up as soon as they become available for $3M+ an acre - GW just sold their property in Loudoun for $4M per. Use $3M, the land itself would have cost $120M, the building was only $30M.

That’s literally what Skyview is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

FCPS has a "possibilities" fairy problem and has had one for decades. Reid, the SB, ... all looking to burnish their resumes for the next job by dreaming up whatever strikes their fancy. JI, FLES, IB, ... are far more exciting than making the buses run on time or maintaining hundreds of school buildings. If the operations people had been able to keep the possibilities fairies away from KAA before they'd gutted it, FCPS would be getting exactly what this part of the County has needed ever since they built Carson - a community HS for about 2000 students.

And they'd have gotten the community HS for a song. People have been treating the cost of KAA as if land were free and freely available now and forever. The reality is all available large plots of land in Western Fairfax/Eastern Loudoun are getting snapped up as soon as they become available for $3M+ an acre - GW just sold their property in Loudoun for $4M per. Use $3M, the land itself would have cost $120M, the building was only $30M.

That’s literally what Skyview is.

I think PP is trying to say that the people enamored with the magnet school idea are keeping some infrastructure in the building that limits its usefulness as a community high school. If you've ever been in there, the setup is much more like a college campus building than a typical high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

FCPS has a "possibilities" fairy problem and has had one for decades. Reid, the SB, ... all looking to burnish their resumes for the next job by dreaming up whatever strikes their fancy. JI, FLES, IB, ... are far more exciting than making the buses run on time or maintaining hundreds of school buildings. If the operations people had been able to keep the possibilities fairies away from KAA before they'd gutted it, FCPS would be getting exactly what this part of the County has needed ever since they built Carson - a community HS for about 2000 students.

And they'd have gotten the community HS for a song. People have been treating the cost of KAA as if land were free and freely available now and forever. The reality is all available large plots of land in Western Fairfax/Eastern Loudoun are getting snapped up as soon as they become available for $3M+ an acre - GW just sold their property in Loudoun for $4M per. Use $3M, the land itself would have cost $120M, the building was only $30M.

That’s literally what Skyview is.

I think PP is trying to say that the people enamored with the magnet school idea are keeping some infrastructure in the building that limits its usefulness as a community high school. If you've ever been in there, the setup is much more like a college campus building than a typical high school.

OP - Yes. And enamored people "making their mark" has been an FCPS issue for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

FCPS has a "possibilities" fairy problem and has had one for decades. Reid, the SB, ... all looking to burnish their resumes for the next job by dreaming up whatever strikes their fancy. JI, FLES, IB, ... are far more exciting than making the buses run on time or maintaining hundreds of school buildings. If the operations people had been able to keep the possibilities fairies away from KAA before they'd gutted it, FCPS would be getting exactly what this part of the County has needed ever since they built Carson - a community HS for about 2000 students.

And they'd have gotten the community HS for a song. People have been treating the cost of KAA as if land were free and freely available now and forever. The reality is all available large plots of land in Western Fairfax/Eastern Loudoun are getting snapped up as soon as they become available for $3M+ an acre - GW just sold their property in Loudoun for $4M per. Use $3M, the land itself would have cost $120M, the building was only $30M.

That’s literally what Skyview is.

I think PP is trying to say that the people enamored with the magnet school idea are keeping some infrastructure in the building that limits its usefulness as a community high school. If you've ever been in there, the setup is much more like a college campus building than a typical high school.

Yes, this is why I like it. Anyone know current enrollment numbers for 9th grade? I just want to make sure my kid can do all the advanced Math APs

[Anonymous]

So are the current cost estimates predicated on tearing out a lot of what currently makes the building look like a “college campus building” and replacing it with traditional classrooms?

Has there ever been a clear presentation on what work needs to be done and what the real price tag will be for Skyview to serve as a traditional high school for 2000 kids?

Or will they try to hide the ball until after the 2027 School Board elections?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

FCPS has a "possibilities" fairy problem and has had one for decades. Reid, the SB, ... all looking to burnish their resumes for the next job by dreaming up whatever strikes their fancy. JI, FLES, IB, ... are far more exciting than making the buses run on time or maintaining hundreds of school buildings. If the operations people had been able to keep the possibilities fairies away from KAA before they'd gutted it, FCPS would be getting exactly what this part of the County has needed ever since they built Carson - a community HS for about 2000 students.

And they'd have gotten the community HS for a song. People have been treating the cost of KAA as if land were free and freely available now and forever. The reality is all available large plots of land in Western Fairfax/Eastern Loudoun are getting snapped up as soon as they become available for $3M+ an acre - GW just sold their property in Loudoun for $4M per. Use $3M, the land itself would have cost $120M, the building was only $30M.

That’s literally what Skyview is.

I think PP is trying to say that the people enamored with the magnet school idea are keeping some infrastructure in the building that limits its usefulness as a community high school. If you've ever been in there, the setup is much more like a college campus building than a typical high school.

Yes, this is why I like it. Anyone know current enrollment numbers for 9th grade? I just want to make sure my kid can do all the advanced Math APs

Which math will your 9th grader be taking? Likely the math options will be strong considering the many kids matriculating from Carson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to take less community input and do what is best for fcps as a whole. Less on transportation = closest communities. Less adjustments = students already at Carson.

They stopped thinking about what was best for FCPS when they bought KAA without truly understanding what they were purchasing.

FCPS has a "possibilities" fairy problem and has had one for decades. Reid, the SB, ... all looking to burnish their resumes for the next job by dreaming up whatever strikes their fancy. JI, FLES, IB, ... are far more exciting than making the buses run on time or maintaining hundreds of school buildings. If the operations people had been able to keep the possibilities fairies away from KAA before they'd gutted it, FCPS would be getting exactly what this part of the County has needed ever since they built Carson - a community HS for about 2000 students.

And they'd have gotten the community HS for a song. People have been treating the cost of KAA as if land were free and freely available now and forever. The reality is all available large plots of land in Western Fairfax/Eastern Loudoun are getting snapped up as soon as they become available for $3M+ an acre - GW just sold their property in Loudoun for $4M per. Use $3M, the land itself would have cost $120M, the building was only $30M.

That’s literally what Skyview is.

I think PP is trying to say that the people enamored with the magnet school idea are keeping some infrastructure in the building that limits its usefulness as a community high school. If you've ever been in there, the setup is much more like a college campus building than a typical high school.

Yes, this is why I like it. Anyone know current enrollment numbers for 9th grade? I just want to make sure my kid can do all the advanced Math APs

Which math will your 9th grader be taking? Likely the math options will be strong considering the many kids matriculating from Carson.

On the other hand some of the other electives stand to be anemic next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So are the current cost estimates predicated on tearing out a lot of what currently makes the building look like a “college campus building” and replacing it with traditional classrooms?

Has there ever been a clear presentation on what work needs to be done and what the real price tag will be for Skyview to serve as a traditional high school for 2000 kids?

Or will they try to hide the ball until after the 2027 School Board elections?

The Ops guys presentation that claimed 30-50M was based on significantly redoing the building - including eliminating some of the open space. It's the only way to get anywhere near 2000 students out of a building that supported 1200. AFAIK, what's never been presented are what any sane process would have started with - given a range of capacities what's the cost to reach each capacity in dollars and change to the building's current features. Instead, FCPS has been publicly advertising they'll support 2000 students in the current wonderful, open, ... building is as if it's possible to keep them all.

[Anonymous]

Electives are going to be harder to get because there are a lot fewer student next year but that will improve each year as they add more students. The Admin has said that they will offer the classes that they get at least the minimum number of students, which I believe is 15.

FCPS said that 650 kids had opted in but had not given a break down on 9th vs 10 grade. At the first Skyview meeting several staff members said that there had been 700 kids opted in, that the number had been changing as more people opted in. I have not seen any numbers from FCPS on this so who knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are the current cost estimates predicated on tearing out a lot of what currently makes the building look like a “college campus building” and replacing it with traditional classrooms?

Has there ever been a clear presentation on what work needs to be done and what the real price tag will be for Skyview to serve as a traditional high school for 2000 kids?

Or will they try to hide the ball until after the 2027 School Board elections?

The Ops guys presentation that claimed 30-50M was based on significantly redoing the building - including eliminating some of the open space. It's the only way to get anywhere near 2000 students out of a building that supported 1200. AFAIK, what's never been presented are what any sane process would have started with - given a range of capacities what's the cost to reach each capacity in dollars and change to the building's current features. Instead, FCPS has been publicly advertising they'll support 2000 students in the current wonderful, open, ... building is as if it's possible to keep them all.

That’s been my impression as well. It’s really sloppy and dishonest, just like their inflated numbers about the “savings.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ops guys presentation that claimed 30-50M was based on significantly redoing the building - including eliminating some of the open space. It's the only way to get anywhere near 2000 students out of a building that supported 1200. AFAIK, what's never been presented are what any sane process would have started with - given a range of capacities what's the cost to reach each capacity in dollars and change to the building's current features. Instead, FCPS has been publicly advertising they'll support 2000 students in the current wonderful, open, ... building is as if it's possible to keep them all.

When KAA ran the place it wasn't at capacity at 1200. That was just as many kids as they could get to sign up. It had been higher in years past. The school couldn't get enough students which is why it wasn't profitable and they had to shut down. FCPS has said they could get 2200 in there if they utilize the two detached buildings, which it looks like they will be because those are the areas scheduled for renovation first. I don't have the link handy, but they talked about it more recently than the 30-50M swag meeting. This time they broke it down a little further and it was within the initial range, plus they specified 18M for athletic field improvements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are the current cost estimates predicated on tearing out a lot of what currently makes the building look like a “college campus building” and replacing it with traditional classrooms?

Has there ever been a clear presentation on what work needs to be done and what the real price tag will be for Skyview to serve as a traditional high school for 2000 kids?

Or will they try to hide the ball until after the 2027 School Board elections?

The Ops guys presentation that claimed 30-50M was based on significantly redoing the building - including eliminating some of the open space. It's the only way to get anywhere near 2000 students out of a building that supported 1200. AFAIK, what's never been presented are what any sane process would have started with - given a range of capacities what's the cost to reach each capacity in dollars and change to the building's current features. Instead, FCPS has been publicly advertising they'll support 2000 students in the current wonderful, open, ... building is as if it's possible to keep them all.

When KAA ran the place it wasn't at capacity at 1200. That was just as many kids as they could get to sign up. It had been higher in years past. The school couldn't get enough students which is why it wasn't profitable and they had to shut down. FCPS has said they could get 2200 in there if they utilize the two detached buildings, which it looks like they will be because those are the areas scheduled for renovation first. I don't have the link handy, but they talked about it more recently than the 30-50M swag meeting. This time they broke it down a little further and it was within the initial range, plus they specified 18M for athletic field improvements.