FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:I am still surprised that the school board is pushing forward with the boundary changes and not postponing the project until we have a better idea of the effects of Trump/Musk/Doge on our local economy.

This is not about efficiency or saving money.

Yes, it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I get 9 minutes Forestville ES to Herndon High and 29 minutes Forestville ES to Langley HS.

What are other people getting.

We really could have used that western high school…

Tweedle Dee and tweedle dum out in force today. You want to set policy based on specific traffic incidents? Don’t waste our time.

So you are saying it is normally 10 minutes faster? Ok, so normally it’s:

I get 9 minutes Forestville ES to Herndon High and 19 minutes Forestville ES to Langley HS.

You would make an awesome lawyer. “Your honor, it is demonstrably false that my client was 4x over the legal limit while driving. That is a lie!!! The facts will show they were only 2x over the legal limit while driving.”

Your post is falling apart. Go check Google maps again. Herndon high traffic is creeping up, Langley down over five minutes. You can’t even play “gotcha” right.

DP. Most of the houses that feed into Forestville are MUCH closer to Herndon, especially those neighborhoods south of Route 7 on the western end. Forestville ES is on the south eastern edge of the boundary zone, so calculating distance from the school to Langley does not paint the whole picture.

Don’t be dumb, there are also houses east and west. You’re just a cherry picking doofus.

0% of Forestville kids are closer to Langley than Herndon. The vast majority are even farther from Langley than Forestville ES is. That poster is not cherry picking.

Where do your kids go to school and why does this concern you?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

My kids have all recently graduated from high school but I am very interested and involved in this discussion. Boundary changes affect everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

It’s important to include them, since they are the majority of the tax payers for the county.

I think you're assuming that these households will just glom onto the argument "change boundaries if it will save a dime because I don't like tax increases."

Some are canny enough to know that changing boundaries might only save a penny, rather than a dime, or end up damaging the county's tax base and making it even more reliant on residential tax revenue from those still able to foot the bill.

The Centreville HS expansion has already grown to an estimated $400 Million and ground hasn't even broken yet, so I'd say we're talking about a lot more than saving taxpayers pennies. Langley was the last school to get away with a beautiful renovation for an absolute steal at $60 million - of course that was right before COVID inflation hit.
I think most are hung up on the fact that school renovations and expansions used to be so cheap, relatively, and boundary changes seem complicated in comparison. That is no longer the case. Every high school renovation from not on is going to be a massive half a billion on the taxpayer, and growing.

$400 million??? Is this true?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

It’s important to include them, since they are the majority of the tax payers for the county.

I think you're assuming that these households will just glom onto the argument "change boundaries if it will save a dime because I don't like tax increases."

Some are canny enough to know that changing boundaries might only save a penny, rather than a dime, or end up damaging the county's tax base and making it even more reliant on residential tax revenue from those still able to foot the bill.

The Centreville HS expansion has already grown to an estimated $400 Million and ground hasn't even broken yet, so I'd say we're talking about a lot more than saving taxpayers pennies. Langley was the last school to get away with a beautiful renovation for an absolute steal at $60 million - of course that was right before COVID inflation hit.
I think most are hung up on the fact that school renovations and expansions used to be so cheap, relatively, and boundary changes seem complicated in comparison. That is no longer the case. Every high school renovation from not on is going to be a massive half a billion on the taxpayer, and growing.

$400 million??? Is this true?

The latest CIP estimates the Centreville project (based on the continued assumption that it would be expanded to 3000 seats) would cost $295,630,203. Only $12 million had been spent prior to that CIP (on plan design and permitting rather than construction).

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

It’s important to include them, since they are the majority of the tax payers for the county.

I think you're assuming that these households will just glom onto the argument "change boundaries if it will save a dime because I don't like tax increases."

Some are canny enough to know that changing boundaries might only save a penny, rather than a dime, or end up damaging the county's tax base and making it even more reliant on residential tax revenue from those still able to foot the bill.

The Centreville HS expansion has already grown to an estimated $400 Million and ground hasn't even broken yet, so I'd say we're talking about a lot more than saving taxpayers pennies. Langley was the last school to get away with a beautiful renovation for an absolute steal at $60 million - of course that was right before COVID inflation hit.
I think most are hung up on the fact that school renovations and expansions used to be so cheap, relatively, and boundary changes seem complicated in comparison. That is no longer the case. Every high school renovation from not on is going to be a massive half a billion on the taxpayer, and growing.

$400 million??? Is this true?

The latest CIP estimates the Centreville project (based on the continued assumption that it would be expanded to 3000 seats) would cost $295,630,203. Only $12 million had been spent prior to that CIP (on plan design and permitting rather than construction).

^ To put this in context, the latest estimate for the Falls Church renovation/expansion (to 2500 seats), which is approaching completion, is $173 million. I very much doubt Centreville is in as crappy condition as Falls Church was, but between higher cost estimates due to inflation and the larger scope of the Centreville renovation they are projecting it would cost over $122 million more.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

It’s important to include them, since they are the majority of the tax payers for the county.

I think you're assuming that these households will just glom onto the argument "change boundaries if it will save a dime because I don't like tax increases."

Some are canny enough to know that changing boundaries might only save a penny, rather than a dime, or end up damaging the county's tax base and making it even more reliant on residential tax revenue from those still able to foot the bill.

The Centreville HS expansion has already grown to an estimated $400 Million and ground hasn't even broken yet, so I'd say we're talking about a lot more than saving taxpayers pennies. Langley was the last school to get away with a beautiful renovation for an absolute steal at $60 million - of course that was right before COVID inflation hit.
I think most are hung up on the fact that school renovations and expansions used to be so cheap, relatively, and boundary changes seem complicated in comparison. That is no longer the case. Every high school renovation from not on is going to be a massive half a billion on the taxpayer, and growing.

$400 million??? Is this true?

The latest CIP estimates the Centreville project (based on the continued assumption that it would be expanded to 3000 seats) would cost $295,630,203. Only $12 million had been spent prior to that CIP (on plan design and permitting rather than construction).

I am PP and I stand corrected. I knew the latest $295 and added the wrong value from a FY22 estimate of what I thought had already been paid for planning. It is correct only 12 million has been paid for plans and permits.

But, in the FY22 estimate, Centreville is proposed to total $146 million through year 2031. Now the estimate is $295 million. At this rate, I have no doubts that Centreville will surpass well beyond $400 million once construction begins.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

It’s important to include them, since they are the majority of the tax payers for the county.

I think you're assuming that these households will just glom onto the argument "change boundaries if it will save a dime because I don't like tax increases."

Some are canny enough to know that changing boundaries might only save a penny, rather than a dime, or end up damaging the county's tax base and making it even more reliant on residential tax revenue from those still able to foot the bill.

The Centreville HS expansion has already grown to an estimated $400 Million and ground hasn't even broken yet, so I'd say we're talking about a lot more than saving taxpayers pennies. Langley was the last school to get away with a beautiful renovation for an absolute steal at $60 million - of course that was right before COVID inflation hit.
I think most are hung up on the fact that school renovations and expansions used to be so cheap, relatively, and boundary changes seem complicated in comparison. That is no longer the case. Every high school renovation from not on is going to be a massive half a billion on the taxpayer, and growing.

$400 million??? Is this true?

The latest CIP estimates the Centreville project (based on the continued assumption that it would be expanded to 3000 seats) would cost $295,630,203. Only $12 million had been spent prior to that CIP (on plan design and permitting rather than construction).

I am PP and I stand corrected. I knew the latest $295 and added the wrong value from a FY22 estimate of what I thought had already been paid for planning. It is correct only 12 million has been paid for plans and permits.

But, in the FY22 estimate, Centreville is proposed to total $146 million through year 2031. Now the estimate is $295 million. At this rate, I have no doubts that Centreville will surpass well beyond $400 million once construction begins.

If that were the case, it would even more strongly weigh in favor of pausing and deciding whether a Centreville expansion of the current scope is warranted. And, of course, the Dunn Loring ES project is a total waste of money, even if the total costs would be lower. That deserved far more attention than it got but they glossed over it. McDaniel at least had a potential lawsuit looming over him then to worry about, not sure what excuse the others have.

[Anonymous]

Is there a meeting today for split feeders? When will they send out the slide deck from that one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a meeting today for split feeders? When will they send out the slide deck from that one?

Most likely early next week unless they decide that posting the deck tonight would avoid rumors and potential misinformation over the weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:I am still surprised that the school board is pushing forward with the boundary changes and not postponing the project until we have a better idea of the effects of Trump/Musk/Doge on our local economy.

This is not about efficiency or saving money.

Yes, it is.

You can't study the 4/11 presentation carefully and reasonably conclude this is all about efficiency or saving money.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a meeting today for split feeders? When will they send out the slide deck from that one?

Most likely early next week unless they decide that posting the deck tonight would avoid rumors and potential misinformation over the weekend.

Agreed! Speculations will only continue until it’s live. Hope we get it earlier

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know there are some BRAC members who have contributed to this thread (or at least identified themselves as such!) please let us know how tonight goes, many of us are anxious!

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

+1. I’m always floored by the people who are okay using crappy projections so long as it supports their agenda. They can’t seem to understand that good projections are always going to produce better budgetary outcomes than flawed projections. I guess, in a way, they get what they deserve budget-wise.

I am always floored by people that buy a home with a Herndon address that is a less than 10 minute drive away from Herndon High that argue that they should not be rezoned to attend Herndon High because they chose their home based on a high school half an hour drive away.

Your hatred of your neighbors is showing again. (And you aren’t even close in your description).

I’m always fascinated by people like you who would cost the county hundreds of millions in unnecessary expansions just to go after a particular zip code. I didn’t think denying data and facts was a left wing thing, but you’ve proved that wrong.

Ok. Right now. Everyone google maps Forestville ES to Langley HS and Forestville ES to Herndon High.

We really could have used that western high school…

I’m seeing 20+ minutes from the McLean attendance island too, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

The point is that we really could have used that western high school and Centreville can use that expansion. Stop punching down on Willow Springs.

No offense, but I have no clue what Willow Springs is. I couldn’t locate it in a map to save my life.

I’ve never advocated for/against either western or centreville in my life..

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I don’t concern myself with other people’s schools or boundaries - only my OWN kids. That PP is obsessed with everyone else’s schools. It’s bizarre.

Willow Springs is an elementary school whose boundary literally backs to Centreville high, but goes to Fairfax. When Centreville is expanded/renovated, this school will attend Centreville. There will def be a cascading effect. Woodson kids will probably end up shifting to Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

+1. I’m always floored by the people who are okay using crappy projections so long as it supports their agenda. They can’t seem to understand that good projections are always going to produce better budgetary outcomes than flawed projections. I guess, in a way, they get what they deserve budget-wise.

I am always floored by people that buy a home with a Herndon address that is a less than 10 minute drive away from Herndon High that argue that they should not be rezoned to attend Herndon High because they chose their home based on a high school half an hour drive away.

Your hatred of your neighbors is showing again. (And you aren’t even close in your description).

I’m always fascinated by people like you who would cost the county hundreds of millions in unnecessary expansions just to go after a particular zip code. I didn’t think denying data and facts was a left wing thing, but you’ve proved that wrong.

Ok. Right now. Everyone google maps Forestville ES to Langley HS and Forestville ES to Herndon High.

We really could have used that western high school…

I’m seeing 20+ minutes from the McLean attendance island too, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

The point is that we really could have used that western high school and Centreville can use that expansion. Stop punching down on Willow Springs.

No offense, but I have no clue what Willow Springs is. I couldn’t locate it in a map to save my life.

I’ve never advocated for/against either western or centreville in my life..

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I don’t concern myself with other people’s schools or boundaries - only my OWN kids. That PP is obsessed with everyone else’s schools. It’s bizarre.

Willow Springs is an elementary school whose boundary literally backs to Centreville high, but goes to Fairfax. When Centreville is expanded/renovated, this school will attend Centreville. There will def be a cascading effect. Woodson kids will probably end up shifting to Fairfax.

Maybe, maybe not. Oakton was expanded during its renovation and there are still kids as close to Oakton as Willow Springs is to Centreville attending Madison. Stop acting like you know what’s in store.