FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:I get 9 minutes Forestville ES to Herndon High and 29 minutes Forestville ES to Langley HS.

What are other people getting.

We really could have used that western high school…

Tweedle Dee and tweedle dum out in force today. You want to set policy based on specific traffic incidents? Don’t waste our time.

So you are saying it is normally 10 minutes faster? Ok, so normally it’s:

I get 9 minutes Forestville ES to Herndon High and 19 minutes Forestville ES to Langley HS.

You would make an awesome lawyer. “Your honor, it is demonstrably false that my client was 4x over the legal limit while driving. That is a lie!!! The facts will show they were only 2x over the legal limit while driving.”

Your post is falling apart. Go check Google maps again. Herndon high traffic is creeping up, Langley down over five minutes. You can’t even play “gotcha” right.

DP. Most of the houses that feed into Forestville are MUCH closer to Herndon, especially those neighborhoods south of Route 7 on the western end. Forestville ES is on the south eastern edge of the boundary zone, so calculating distance from the school to Langley does not paint the whole picture.

Don’t be dumb, there are also houses east and west. You’re just a cherry picking doofus.

0% of Forestville kids are closer to Langley than Herndon. The vast majority are even farther from Langley than Forestville ES is. That poster is not cherry picking.

0% of kids in the McLean attendance island are closer to Langley than McLean. I’m not advocating either way for that attendance island to stay or move, but just calling you out for being inconsistent.

But we all know why you two are being inconsistent.

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I am not familiar with the Mclean attendance island, but those students should go to the closest school. I am not being inconsistent. I think all kids should go to the closest schools. I do get that the geography and location of some schools may make this impossible sometimes, but when the closest high school is 7 mins (2.5 miles) vs the one they are currently zoned for (26 mins - 13 miles away), then I think it is reasonable to consider rezoning some of those homes. It may not happen, we don’t know yet, but the fact that so many here are organized against this move, just shows that they even see this scenario as a possibilty.

So, I’ve heard this argument before, and it sounds simply good to send kids to the closest school, but it just can’t work like that. The obvious example is Langley and its proximity to McLean. You’d have well under a thousand kids at Langley if you operated under the closest school logic.

So then it’s a question of where do you pull from? The Spring Hill McLean attendance island, though seemingly much closer to Langley has to battle through some traffic pinpoints to get to Langley, so the actual length of time it takes to get to the school is a few minutes shorter than the Forestville trip.

It’s clear we aren’t talking about any transportation cost savings here, in fact, if anything, they’ll increase significantly as they double bus for grandfathered seniors. I think that’s why we won’t see any real analysis of transportation costs until this is all done and then the transportation department will just rubber stamp the changes.

By this logic, there should never be any boundary changes, like ever.

If they are claiming that transportation is one of the big four factors, then it would certainly weigh against changes. But your statement is not a logical extension of what you bolded.

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I am still surprised that the school board is pushing forward with the boundary changes and not postponing the project until we have a better idea of the effects of Trump/Musk/Doge on our local economy.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

It’s important to include them, since they are the majority of the tax payers for the county.

I think you're assuming that these households will just glom onto the argument "change boundaries if it will save a dime because I don't like tax increases."

Some are canny enough to know that changing boundaries might only save a penny, rather than a dime, or end up damaging the county's tax base and making it even more reliant on residential tax revenue from those still able to foot the bill.

The Centreville HS expansion has already grown to an estimated $400 Million and ground hasn't even broken yet, so I'd say we're talking about a lot more than saving taxpayers pennies. Langley was the last school to get away with a beautiful renovation for an absolute steal at $60 million - of course that was right before COVID inflation hit.
I think most are hung up on the fact that school renovations and expansions used to be so cheap, relatively, and boundary changes seem complicated in comparison. That is no longer the case. Every high school renovation from not on is going to be a massive half a billion on the taxpayer, and growing.

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Anonymous wrote:How’s the housing market doing right now? FCPS and the BoS feel confident that this boundary review won’t tip us further in the red?

One neighbor has listed her home this weekend because of the school rezoning. I think it’s a bit unhinged considering the final maps aren’t out and have mentioned waiting until 5/5 but they can’t take the ambiguity. From my previous Falls Church neighborhood, I know at least one family already listed and is already under contract because of where the Graham Road impact hit. Will be interesting to watch the market post the final releases.

BRAC meets today for split feeders and next Monday for capacity. Once those maps are out and they gather community feedback, I hope they wouldn’t adjust anything that doesn’t have community engagement even later.

Those changes in the Falls Church/Graham Road/Timber Lane/Pine Spring area are huge. Lots of unhappy people—especially about kids being shipped all the way to Longfellow for MS.

I don’t see how that stands. Either they keep “new” Timber Lane as a fairly even split feeder to Longfellow/McLean and Jackson/Falls Church with Route 29 as the dividing line, which makes more sense, or they send all of “new” Timber Lane to Longfellow/McLean. Turning Longfellow into a split feeder where only 7% or so of the kids go to Falls Church makes no sense. It’s the exact type of split feeder they are looking to unwind.

If they send all of “new” Timber Lane to Longfellow/McLean they drive up the FARMS rates with all the Kingsley Commons kids, which no doubt would please the School Board, but they’d also double the commutes for the poorer kids off Route 50 who’d benefit by living closer to their schools, which does not align with best practices. It would be a boost for the real estate prices for the single-family homes in that area, but on the other hand it might suck for some of the families who’ve been putting up with the Falls Church renovation for years to have their kids moved to dumpy McLean right around the time the very expensive FCHS renovation wraps up.

Another thing they haven’t really drilled down on is how much they’d be gutting the enrollment of Pine Spring between the changes associated with the Graham Road realignment and the reassignment of the Pine Spring island to Westlawn.

Falls Church HS renovation site includes added program capacity of 543. Scheduled completion date summer 2026. https://www.fcps.edu/falls-church-high-capital-project
Any students at that school now who after going through the major construction get moved to Mclean or Marshall, trailers and big modular? Capacity deficits for SY 2029-30 including the modulars: Mclean -58, Marshall -73.

Yes, that could happen. It's hard to believe they'll create a split feeder at Longfellow where only 7% of the kids would go to Falls Church, as sketched out in the 4/11 presentation. So if they close the split feeder and send all of the "new" Timber Lane-zoned area* to McLean, you could have kids who've been at Falls Church while it was a construction zone moved over to McLean. Given the magnitude of the changes being discussed, grandfathering seems increasingly unlikely. Of course, they could also revert to keeping Timber Lane a split feeder, with north of 29 at Longfellow/McLean and south of 29 at Jackson/Falls Church. That would still be a fairly balanced split feeder (closer to 50%-50% than the current situation, which is 60% McLean, 40% Falls Church).

* For those not familiar with the Timber Lane proposal, they are talking about keeping the Timber Lane area north of 29 largely as is, except for the area west of Hollywood Road, which would move to Shrevewood, but then sending the entire area south of 29 now at Timber Lane to Graham Road and reassigning a larger area between Routes 29 and 50 now at Pine Spring and Graham Road to Timber Lane.

Hoping and praying they just revert to 29 as the boundary for both middle and HS. Anyone know when we’ll hear the outcome of tonight’s split feeder discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what households without school aged students think about all of this. They are also stakeholders. Is FCPS engaging them? I’d think they’d be more logical than people on this forum or the FCPS SB.

It’s important to include them, since they are the majority of the tax payers for the county.

I think you're assuming that these households will just glom onto the argument "change boundaries if it will save a dime because I don't like tax increases."

Some are canny enough to know that changing boundaries might only save a penny, rather than a dime, or end up damaging the county's tax base and making it even more reliant on residential tax revenue from those still able to foot the bill.

The Centreville HS expansion has already grown to an estimated $400 Million and ground hasn't even broken yet, so I'd say we're talking about a lot more than saving taxpayers pennies. Langley was the last school to get away with a beautiful renovation for an absolute steal at $60 million - of course that was right before COVID inflation hit.
I think most are hung up on the fact that school renovations and expansions used to be so cheap, relatively, and boundary changes seem complicated in comparison. That is no longer the case. Every high school renovation from not on is going to be a massive half a billion on the taxpayer, and growing.

So do you want to go ahead and ask Fairfax families without kids whether they think a high school projected to be under 2100 kids by 2029 should be expanded to 3000 seats? Fine.

By the way, the Langley renovation and expansion was closer to $80 million than $60 million.

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Anonymous wrote:I am still surprised that the school board is pushing forward with the boundary changes and not postponing the project until we have a better idea of the effects of Trump/Musk/Doge on our local economy.

This is not about efficiency or saving money.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

Stop punching down on neighborhoods that want the high school next door renovated/expanded so their kids can attend. Not everyone wants to drive away from their closest high school.

I’m the PP and can honestly say I have no idea what you’re talking about. I was responding to your utterly bizarre rant about a certain high school that seems to trigger you. You seem to be the only person who is completely fixated on it. I have no opinion about any school other than the one my kids attend. Why do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

That was nice of you to spend all day proving the bold correct. Good job. Nicely done. If you give some folks enough rope…

Seems to me that this thread goes in cycles--depending on the school.
But, as a non-Langley, non-Herndon person, it seems to me that there are far more anti-Langley, than pro Langley posters here.
signed, person who thinks we should eliminate IB; is ambivalent about AAP; and is in favor of improving school facilities when needed. I don't know if Centreville needs to be expanded to 3000, but it certainly needs to be expanded enough to include the kids that live right behind the school and currently attend Fairfax.

Given the locations of schools, it's inevitable that most kids attending Centreville will live further west and some areas not too far to the east will attend a different school. Oakton is the same way. Areas closer to Oakton than the Fairfax-zoned area is to Centreville attend Madison.

There's no need to expand it to 3000.

There is a neighborhood that literally is next door to Centreville and is sent to Fairfax. Look at the map.

This!!! The kids in Willow Springs are bussed across Fairfax to attend Fairfax HS. There is currently no capacity for them at Centreville. That is why the “no renovations with expansions” crowd is so frustrating.

I get that people are mad about FCPS’s approach / apparent motivations for this boundary study. But it is maddening to see people from certain far-flung parts of the county advocate against needed expansions that would serve another community because they fear the “capacity” maps they will see on May 6.

I’m not the poster to whom you are addressing your anger, but your minimization of your neighbors by calling them far-flung areas is pretty telling.

No one should be moved unless the area to be moved wants to be moved. If that’s you, advocate away, but don’t advocate for others to be moved for selfish reasons.

We all know there are more than one of you from that area on this board. Saying you are a different person from that same group that peddles the same arguments all day does not give your words more credibility.

I am not advocating that other people be moved. Read the words.

You and your friends are so fearful of how FCPS is conducting their business that you are making arguments that do terrible collateral damage to people all across the county. People on this board believe that your group is the reason we don’t have a western high school. I am beginning to see why. Try to be a little more self-reflective. I can tell you don’t care. It obvious how selfish you all are.9

DP, but likewise! Maybe take a look in the mirror??

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

+1. I’m always floored by the people who are okay using crappy projections so long as it supports their agenda. They can’t seem to understand that good projections are always going to produce better budgetary outcomes than flawed projections. I guess, in a way, they get what they deserve budget-wise.

I am always floored by people that buy a home with a Herndon address that is a less than 10 minute drive away from Herndon High that argue that they should not be rezoned to attend Herndon High because they chose their home based on a high school half an hour drive away.

Your hatred of your neighbors is showing again. (And you aren’t even close in your description).

I’m always fascinated by people like you who would cost the county hundreds of millions in unnecessary expansions just to go after a particular zip code. I didn’t think denying data and facts was a left wing thing, but you’ve proved that wrong.

It’s most definitely a left wing thing. Inconvenient facts and data are always denied by the left, even while they spew platitudes like “trust the science.”
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

+1. I’m always floored by the people who are okay using crappy projections so long as it supports their agenda. They can’t seem to understand that good projections are always going to produce better budgetary outcomes than flawed projections. I guess, in a way, they get what they deserve budget-wise.

I am always floored by people that buy a home with a Herndon address that is a less than 10 minute drive away from Herndon High that argue that they should not be rezoned to attend Herndon High because they chose their home based on a high school half an hour drive away.

Your hatred of your neighbors is showing again. (And you aren’t even close in your description).

I’m always fascinated by people like you who would cost the county hundreds of millions in unnecessary expansions just to go after a particular zip code. I didn’t think denying data and facts was a left wing thing, but you’ve proved that wrong.

Ok. Right now. Everyone google maps Forestville ES to Langley HS and Forestville ES to Herndon High.

We really could have used that western high school…

DP. I’m a Langley parent who absolutely agrees that we could have used the mythical western high school. It would have solved a lot of problems. Are you the poster who actually blames Langley for the fact that the idiot SB pulled a bait and switch on that high school? Stop blaming one particular community for the moronic choices of this school board.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

+1. I’m always floored by the people who are okay using crappy projections so long as it supports their agenda. They can’t seem to understand that good projections are always going to produce better budgetary outcomes than flawed projections. I guess, in a way, they get what they deserve budget-wise.

I am always floored by people that buy a home with a Herndon address that is a less than 10 minute drive away from Herndon High that argue that they should not be rezoned to attend Herndon High because they chose their home based on a high school half an hour drive away.

Your hatred of your neighbors is showing again. (And you aren’t even close in your description).

I’m always fascinated by people like you who would cost the county hundreds of millions in unnecessary expansions just to go after a particular zip code. I didn’t think denying data and facts was a left wing thing, but you’ve proved that wrong.

Ok. Right now. Everyone google maps Forestville ES to Langley HS and Forestville ES to Herndon High.

We really could have used that western high school…

I’m seeing 20+ minutes from the McLean attendance island too, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

The point is that we really could have used that western high school and Centreville can use that expansion. Stop punching down on Willow Springs.

No offense, but I have no clue what Willow Springs is. I couldn’t locate it in a map to save my life.

I’ve never advocated for/against either western or centreville in my life..

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I don’t concern myself with other people’s schools or boundaries - only my OWN kids. That PP is obsessed with everyone else’s schools. It’s bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

+1. I’m always floored by the people who are okay using crappy projections so long as it supports their agenda. They can’t seem to understand that good projections are always going to produce better budgetary outcomes than flawed projections. I guess, in a way, they get what they deserve budget-wise.

I am always floored by people that buy a home with a Herndon address that is a less than 10 minute drive away from Herndon High that argue that they should not be rezoned to attend Herndon High because they chose their home based on a high school half an hour drive away.

Your hatred of your neighbors is showing again. (And you aren’t even close in your description).

I’m always fascinated by people like you who would cost the county hundreds of millions in unnecessary expansions just to go after a particular zip code. I didn’t think denying data and facts was a left wing thing, but you’ve proved that wrong.

Ok. Right now. Everyone google maps Forestville ES to Langley HS and Forestville ES to Herndon High.

We really could have used that western high school…

I’m seeing 20+ minutes from the McLean attendance island too, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

The point is that we really could have used that western high school and Centreville can use that expansion. Stop punching down on Willow Springs.

No offense, but I have no clue what Willow Springs is. I couldn’t locate it in a map to save my life.

I’ve never advocated for/against either western or centreville in my life..

“Don’t rely on faulty projections!!!”
“Don’t trust the CIP”
“My FOIA shows FCPS data is flying blind”
“Don’t expand Centreville”

Right. We believe you. You arguments had no affect on the western high school at all. Like I said, you are doing collateral damage across the county and are coming across as obscenely holier-than-thou, entitled, and selfish. Knock it off. You are turning public sentiment against you.

Umm… you know there are many posters here, right? Are you this unpleasant IRL?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

WOW. Tell us, are you this incensed about the pages and pages of posts discussing all of the other schools possibly being rezoned? Or is it just the one school that sends you into such irrational rage that you felt compelled to write an entire screed about it? Should we look forward to another rant about say, Willow Springs, Fairfax Villa, Centreville, Greenbriar East, WSF, Lewis, etc. etc.?? Get help - you truly need it.

+1. I’m always floored by the people who are okay using crappy projections so long as it supports their agenda. They can’t seem to understand that good projections are always going to produce better budgetary outcomes than flawed projections. I guess, in a way, they get what they deserve budget-wise.

I am always floored by people that buy a home with a Herndon address that is a less than 10 minute drive away from Herndon High that argue that they should not be rezoned to attend Herndon High because they chose their home based on a high school half an hour drive away.

Your hatred of your neighbors is showing again. (And you aren’t even close in your description).

I’m always fascinated by people like you who would cost the county hundreds of millions in unnecessary expansions just to go after a particular zip code. I didn’t think denying data and facts was a left wing thing, but you’ve proved that wrong.

Ok. Right now. Everyone google maps Forestville ES to Langley HS and Forestville ES to Herndon High.

We really could have used that western high school…

I’m seeing 20+ minutes from the McLean attendance island too, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

The point is that we really could have used that western high school and Centreville can use that expansion. Stop punching down on Willow Springs.

No offense, but I have no clue what Willow Springs is. I couldn’t locate it in a map to save my life.

I’ve never advocated for/against either western or centreville in my life..

“Don’t rely on faulty projections!!!”
“Don’t trust the CIP”
“My FOIA shows FCPS data is flying blind”
“Don’t expand Centreville”

Right. We believe you. You arguments had no affect on the western high school at all. Like I said, you are doing collateral damage across the county and are coming across as obscenely holier-than-thou, entitled, and selfish. Knock it off. You are turning public sentiment against you.

I'm guessing you're one of the handful of posters who got into a spat with a Langley poster on the FairFACTS Matters FB page or Next Door that turned personal, and now you've brought it over here where you can take pot shots anonymously.

The fact is that Great Falls posters, because of their interest in boundaries, have spent the most time questioning FCPS's projections. That includes challenging a methodology that only takes future residential growth into account if a developer has broken ground, and asserting that the projections for Herndon in the latest CIP are significantly understated.

On the other hand, people who have nothing to do with Langley or Great Falls have questioned the need to expand Centreville HS all the way to 3000 seats, when other schools with capacity needs are left unaddressed. It's odd that you don't see the irony in claiming that the Langley community is "entitled" and "selfish" when you'd lay claim to the lion's share of the capital budget for years to come on a Centreville expansion to 3000, all to gain greater assurance that one current Fairfax feeder would be reassigned to Centreville.

The bottom line is that you've convinced more people that you have a weird vendetta than you've turned "public sentiment" against Langley. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I get 9 minutes Forestville ES to Herndon High and 29 minutes Forestville ES to Langley HS.

What are other people getting.

We really could have used that western high school…

Tweedle Dee and tweedle dum out in force today. You want to set policy based on specific traffic incidents? Don’t waste our time.

So you are saying it is normally 10 minutes faster? Ok, so normally it’s:

I get 9 minutes Forestville ES to Herndon High and 19 minutes Forestville ES to Langley HS.

You would make an awesome lawyer. “Your honor, it is demonstrably false that my client was 4x over the legal limit while driving. That is a lie!!! The facts will show they were only 2x over the legal limit while driving.”

Your post is falling apart. Go check Google maps again. Herndon high traffic is creeping up, Langley down over five minutes. You can’t even play “gotcha” right.

DP. Most of the houses that feed into Forestville are MUCH closer to Herndon, especially those neighborhoods south of Route 7 on the western end. Forestville ES is on the south eastern edge of the boundary zone, so calculating distance from the school to Langley does not paint the whole picture.

DP. Which school do your kids attend?