Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats will fight ANY conservative.

It's not the Democrats who've stopped the Kavanaugh vote - it's moderate Republicans. The few who are left who seem to be taking seriously their Constitutional duty of advice and consent. That's why the WH has so tightly limited the FBI investigation - they're trying to walk the fine line between not actually finding anything bad and giving Collins and Murkowski enough cover to vote for him.

The problem is, as people get over the shock of the hearing and actually think about it and watch clips from it, they're realizing that Kavanaugh's behavior - the lying, avoiding of questions, obsession with beer - is not what we want in a Supreme Court justice. Will those few undecided Senators be brave and vote against him? Or will they toe the party line? That's what this week is about.

Speak for yourself. The people I know feel exactly the opposite way. We feel his anger and emotions were fully warranted, given the accusations against him. I don't hold that against him at all. I would have been very shocked had he remained calm and pleasant, given the obvious assumption of guilt many of the Democrats have toward him. I know if I were accused of something I didn't do, I'd be hard-pressed not to throttle those asking the questions.

Amazing how the Republicans can appeal to their paranoia and persecution complex to justify immorality.

Guess what, you're not being persecuted. You are in power. With power comes responsibility. If you drag these institutions down in the mud, what do you think is going to save you? You're on the precipice of a huge demographic shift in the US. Would it not make sense for you to channel that fear of being hunted and unfairly accused into strengthening the institutions?

What on earth are you blabbering about? We're talking about an innocent man (because last I checked, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty) being attacked based on an allegation with zero evidence. But sure, try and spin it into "Republicans are fearful of being hunted and unfairly accused"??? WTF.

There's a big difference between being presumed innocent and actually being innocent.

Can you prove he's guilty? No? Then he's presumed innocent. Difficult concept, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the locals who grew up here believe her. I don’t want to trash her online but if the FBI investigators go fully into her high school years it will be interesting.

Also interesting that neither her parents nor siblings support her

I've been kind of surprised that there haven't been a bunch of people who went to high school and college with her piping up to defend her. Seems there would be a ton of people from her teenage years and early 20s who'd have something to say about her character like there has been (in both good and bad terms) with Kavanaugh.

She has had a lot of friends and classmates come forward to defend her.

Remember, though, Kavanaugh is prominent socially and will soon be a Supreme Court justice. It's hard to go agains that. Ford's lawyer had to resign from his firm before he took her on as a client, because they didn't want to possibly get on the wrong side of a Supreme Court justice.

Friends (plural) and acquaintances from her teens and early 20s? I’ve only read about later friends from CA.

high school friends from Holton.

link? All I’ve heard of is a general letter of support signed by Holton Arms alums, not any who knew her specifically coming out with statements about her character or of support.

Also the Blaseys have not said anything.

Mr Blasey has said that he supports and loves his daughter.

cite?

From WaPo. Note unusual use of the conditional.

' Reached by phone on Tuesday, Ford’s father, Ralph Blasey Jr., offered a brief endorsement of his daughter. “I think all of the Blasey family would support her. I think her record stands for itself. Her schooling, her jobs and so on,” he said before hanging up. Moments later, after picking up the phone a second time, he added: “I think any father would have love for his daughter.” '

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/christine-blasey-fords-own-family-has-been-nearly-silent-amid-outpouring-of-support/2018/09/26/49a3f4a6-c0d6-11e8-be77-516336a26305_story.html?utm_term=.558310a25083

That is the strangest quote.

[Anonymous]

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I am woman - I have never been falsely accused of rape. However, I have both daughters and sons. And a husband. If we're now in a climate where anyone can dredge up 35+ year old allegations - with no evidence - and have the accused labeled a "rapist," just like that, then I truly fear for what this nation has become.

I don't necessarily believe one of them over the other (Ford/Kavanaugh). What I DO vehemently object to, is this notion that he "must" be guilty, for no other reason than she says he is. If there was indisputable evidence, or corroborating witnesses saying he did it? That would be a completely different matter. But we have none of those things. And unless or until we do, he's still an innocent man and should be treated as such.

First, no one is saying he must be guilty. But, the web of lies and deceit in his testimony must be factored into any decisions about his fate. This editorial links 3 or 4 articles that probe the lies, stretched truth or obfuscation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/can-the-fbi-do-its-job-with-kavanaugh/2018/09/30/7b3a6582-c4f9-11e8-9b1c-a90f1daae309_story.html

Then, weigh the burden and corroboration: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1046594628005363718 - she has plenty as a basis. It is not a random allegation with zero backing it up other than he said/she said.

Finally, understand the national statistics, fewer than 3% of allegations are false. No one would put themselves through it.

[Anonymous]

This thread has been taken over by Infowars nut jobs. Enjoy your fake news while you can, the truth will eventually win out. Sleep well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats will fight ANY conservative.

It's not the Democrats who've stopped the Kavanaugh vote - it's moderate Republicans. The few who are left who seem to be taking seriously their Constitutional duty of advice and consent. That's why the WH has so tightly limited the FBI investigation - they're trying to walk the fine line between not actually finding anything bad and giving Collins and Murkowski enough cover to vote for him.

The problem is, as people get over the shock of the hearing and actually think about it and watch clips from it, they're realizing that Kavanaugh's behavior - the lying, avoiding of questions, obsession with beer - is not what we want in a Supreme Court justice. Will those few undecided Senators be brave and vote against him? Or will they toe the party line? That's what this week is about.

Speak for yourself. The people I know feel exactly the opposite way. We feel his anger and emotions were fully warranted, given the accusations against him. I don't hold that against him at all. I would have been very shocked had he remained calm and pleasant, given the obvious assumption of guilt many of the Democrats have toward him. I know if I were accused of something I didn't do, I'd be hard-pressed not to throttle those asking the questions.

Amazing how the Republicans can appeal to their paranoia and persecution complex to justify immorality.

Guess what, you're not being persecuted. You are in power. With power comes responsibility. If you drag these institutions down in the mud, what do you think is going to save you? You're on the precipice of a huge demographic shift in the US. Would it not make sense for you to channel that fear of being hunted and unfairly accused into strengthening the institutions?

What on earth are you blabbering about? We're talking about an innocent man (because last I checked, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty) being attacked based on an allegation with zero evidence. But sure, try and spin it into "Republicans are fearful of being hunted and unfairly accused"??? WTF.

There's a big difference between being presumed innocent and actually being innocent.

Can you prove he's guilty? No? Then he's presumed innocent. Difficult concept, apparently.

And if this were a court of law, it would be an open and shut case. But, this isn't the burden. The person most Americans saw on Thursday would not be worthy of hiring as an intern or street sweeper, much less the highest court in the land.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the locals who grew up here believe her. I don’t want to trash her online but if the FBI investigators go fully into her high school years it will be interesting.

Also interesting that neither her parents nor siblings support her

I've been kind of surprised that there haven't been a bunch of people who went to high school and college with her piping up to defend her. Seems there would be a ton of people from her teenage years and early 20s who'd have something to say about her character like there has been (in both good and bad terms) with Kavanaugh.

She has had a lot of friends and classmates come forward to defend her.

Remember, though, Kavanaugh is prominent socially and will soon be a Supreme Court justice. It's hard to go agains that. Ford's lawyer had to resign from his firm before he took her on as a client, because they didn't want to possibly get on the wrong side of a Supreme Court justice.

Friends (plural) and acquaintances from her teens and early 20s? I’ve only read about later friends from CA.

high school friends from Holton.

link? All I’ve heard of is a general letter of support signed by Holton Arms alums, not any who knew her specifically coming out with statements about her character or of support.

Also the Blaseys have not said anything.

Mr Blasey has said that he supports and loves his daughter.

cite?

From WaPo. Note unusual use of the conditional.

' Reached by phone on Tuesday, Ford’s father, Ralph Blasey Jr., offered a brief endorsement of his daughter. “I think all of the Blasey family would support her. I think her record stands for itself. Her schooling, her jobs and so on,” he said before hanging up. Moments later, after picking up the phone a second time, he added: “I think any father would have love for his daughter.” '

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/christine-blasey-fords-own-family-has-been-nearly-silent-amid-outpouring-of-support/2018/09/26/49a3f4a6-c0d6-11e8-be77-516336a26305_story.html?utm_term=.558310a25083

That is the strangest quote.

It's a very carefully worded quote.

[Anonymous]

Ok prediction time: one week out, Brett Kavanaugh will or won’t be confirmed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats will fight ANY conservative.

It's not the Democrats who've stopped the Kavanaugh vote - it's moderate Republicans. The few who are left who seem to be taking seriously their Constitutional duty of advice and consent. That's why the WH has so tightly limited the FBI investigation - they're trying to walk the fine line between not actually finding anything bad and giving Collins and Murkowski enough cover to vote for him.

The problem is, as people get over the shock of the hearing and actually think about it and watch clips from it, they're realizing that Kavanaugh's behavior - the lying, avoiding of questions, obsession with beer - is not what we want in a Supreme Court justice. Will those few undecided Senators be brave and vote against him? Or will they toe the party line? That's what this week is about.

Speak for yourself. The people I know feel exactly the opposite way. We feel his anger and emotions were fully warranted, given the accusations against him. I don't hold that against him at all. I would have been very shocked had he remained calm and pleasant, given the obvious assumption of guilt many of the Democrats have toward him. I know if I were accused of something I didn't do, I'd be hard-pressed not to throttle those asking the questions.

Amazing how the Republicans can appeal to their paranoia and persecution complex to justify immorality.

Guess what, you're not being persecuted. You are in power. With power comes responsibility. If you drag these institutions down in the mud, what do you think is going to save you? You're on the precipice of a huge demographic shift in the US. Would it not make sense for you to channel that fear of being hunted and unfairly accused into strengthening the institutions?

What on earth are you blabbering about? We're talking about an innocent man (because last I checked, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty) being attacked based on an allegation with zero evidence. But sure, try and spin it into "Republicans are fearful of being hunted and unfairly accused"??? WTF.

There's a big difference between being presumed innocent and actually being innocent.

Can you prove he's guilty? No? Then he's presumed innocent. Difficult concept, apparently.

And if this were a court of law, it would be an open and shut case. But, this isn't the burden. The person most Americans saw on Thursday would not be worthy of hiring as an intern or street sweeper, much less the highest court in the land.

You lost credibility with that absurd comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats will fight ANY conservative.

It's not the Democrats who've stopped the Kavanaugh vote - it's moderate Republicans. The few who are left who seem to be taking seriously their Constitutional duty of advice and consent. That's why the WH has so tightly limited the FBI investigation - they're trying to walk the fine line between not actually finding anything bad and giving Collins and Murkowski enough cover to vote for him.

The problem is, as people get over the shock of the hearing and actually think about it and watch clips from it, they're realizing that Kavanaugh's behavior - the lying, avoiding of questions, obsession with beer - is not what we want in a Supreme Court justice. Will those few undecided Senators be brave and vote against him? Or will they toe the party line? That's what this week is about.

Speak for yourself. The people I know feel exactly the opposite way. We feel his anger and emotions were fully warranted, given the accusations against him. I don't hold that against him at all. I would have been very shocked had he remained calm and pleasant, given the obvious assumption of guilt many of the Democrats have toward him. I know if I were accused of something I didn't do, I'd be hard-pressed not to throttle those asking the questions.

Really? I would think less of you, then, and would not hire you. But I don't believe you. I think you would seethe in private like any human being, and get your act together to behave professionally in public.
Someone who stands accused of belligerent behavior should absolutely be calm when questioned, doesn't that make sense? And someone nominated to the Supreme Court, where patience and and open mind are paramount, should absolutely display those qualities when interviewing for the job. Obvious, no?

But here's the truth: he was hamming it up for the President, not you or me. He understood that if he didn't act like Trump preferred he did, his nomination would be pulled - Trump had just talked about it the day before. Trump has been quoted to advise those accused of sexual misconduct to deny, deny, deny, and fight back.
I don't believe Kavanaugh acted in character on that day, since his character is to be aggressive only when drunk - and he wasn't drunk at the hearing. This was an act put on to impress one person. And because of that display of extreme partiality and sycophantry, he should NOT be confirmed for the Supreme Court, whose agenda calls for opinions in mid-October on whether a pardon on Federal crimes also excuses one from state crimes. Please let that last bit sink in and connect it to people you know who could benefit from that handy ruling. You are looking at the creation of a kleptocracy, and it won't be good for your honest and ethical conservative agenda. Get it now? Quid pro quo of the worst kind.

Cool story, bro.
But regarding the bolded, you have described exactly what Democrats are doing re: Ford. "Extreme partiality and sycophancy (FIFY)."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kevin McCullough
@KMCRadio

BREAKING: Multiple sources now telling me 3 additional investigations are about to open:

1. @FBI - felony lying to Congress by accusers making false claims.
2. Congress - @SenFeinstein’s handling of Ford letter.
3. DC Bar - into Ford’s attorneys malpractice.

Interesting. Will they also investigate BK's lies about boofing and Devil's Triangle, among others?

Because high school slang is super-relevant here. Those of you obsessed with the "meaning" of those terms are some of the most immature people I have ever encountered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats will fight ANY conservative.

It's not the Democrats who've stopped the Kavanaugh vote - it's moderate Republicans. The few who are left who seem to be taking seriously their Constitutional duty of advice and consent. That's why the WH has so tightly limited the FBI investigation - they're trying to walk the fine line between not actually finding anything bad and giving Collins and Murkowski enough cover to vote for him.

The problem is, as people get over the shock of the hearing and actually think about it and watch clips from it, they're realizing that Kavanaugh's behavior - the lying, avoiding of questions, obsession with beer - is not what we want in a Supreme Court justice. Will those few undecided Senators be brave and vote against him? Or will they toe the party line? That's what this week is about.

Speak for yourself. The people I know feel exactly the opposite way. We feel his anger and emotions were fully warranted, given the accusations against him. I don't hold that against him at all. I would have been very shocked had he remained calm and pleasant, given the obvious assumption of guilt many of the Democrats have toward him. I know if I were accused of something I didn't do, I'd be hard-pressed not to throttle those asking the questions.

Amazing how the Republicans can appeal to their paranoia and persecution complex to justify immorality.

Guess what, you're not being persecuted. You are in power. With power comes responsibility. If you drag these institutions down in the mud, what do you think is going to save you? You're on the precipice of a huge demographic shift in the US. Would it not make sense for you to channel that fear of being hunted and unfairly accused into strengthening the institutions?

What on earth are you blabbering about? We're talking about an innocent man (because last I checked, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty) being attacked based on an allegation with zero evidence. But sure, try and spin it into "Republicans are fearful of being hunted and unfairly accused"??? WTF.

There's a big difference between being presumed innocent and actually being innocent.

Can you prove he's guilty? No? Then he's presumed innocent. Difficult concept, apparently.

And if this were a court of law, it would be an open and shut case. But, this isn't the burden. The person most Americans saw on Thursday would not be worthy of hiring as an intern or street sweeper, much less the highest court in the land.

+1

The burden is on Kavanaugh to prove that he’s worthy of a SCOTUS seat.

Just his testimony in the hearing was enough to disqualify him, let alone a series of allegations.

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Anonymous wrote:That doesn't make it a fact.

Why is it so hard for you to understand? Either she is wrong or he is wrong. You can either throw your hands up and said you refuse to say which one is wrong. Or you can choose to believe one of them. You yourself choose to go with the guy who lied about several little things under oath and who has a certifiable past as a hard partier. Fine for you. Others of us choose to believe a woman whose story echoed experiences we also had. Why is that hard for you to understand that we choose to believe her because of that? Is it because you've never been raped or assaulted? Is it because you've never experienced being so frightened and ashamed of something that happened when you were a teenager? Is it because you've never experienced people telling you they don't believe you when you tell them something horrible?

If you are going to tell me that you were falsely accused of rape and that's why you believe him, then I would say fine, I understand. But I don't understand that you get so hot and bothered that those of us for whom her story comes too close to our own choose to believe her.

I am woman - I have never been falsely accused of rape. However, I have both daughters and sons. And a husband. If we're now in a climate where anyone can dredge up 35+ year old allegations - with no evidence - and have the accused labeled a "rapist," just like that, then I truly fear for what this nation has become.

I don't necessarily believe one of them over the other (Ford/Kavanaugh). What I DO vehemently object to, is this notion that he "must" be guilty, for no other reason than she says he is. If there was indisputable evidence, or corroborating witnesses saying he did it? That would be a completely different matter. But we have none of those things. And unless or until we do, he's still an innocent man and should be treated as such.


No one is saying he shouldn't get the seat because he must be guilty.

We are saying he shouldn't get the seat because he MIGHT be guilty.

Are you guying to hire a tutor for your children who has been accused of molesting kids and has not cleared their name? What about someone who argues vehemently against the very investigation that could clear their name? Do you think, wow, he must really believe he is innocent, so let me go ahead and book him to be alone with my kids????

Of course not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kevin McCullough
@KMCRadio

BREAKING: Multiple sources now telling me 3 additional investigations are about to open:

1. @FBI - felony lying to Congress by accusers making false claims.
2. Congress - @SenFeinstein’s handling of Ford letter.
3. DC Bar - into Ford’s attorneys malpractice.

Interesting. Will they also investigate BK's lies about boofing and Devil's Triangle, among others?

Because high school slang is super-relevant here. Those of you obsessed with the "meaning" of those terms are some of the most immature people I have ever encountered.

You don’t realize why the slang is important? They haven’t explained that on FoxNews? Poor, ignorant fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok prediction time: one week out, Brett Kavanaugh will or won’t be confirmed?

I take my cue from election betting odds. Now at 68% for confirmation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That doesn't make it a fact.

Why is it so hard for you to understand? Either she is wrong or he is wrong. You can either throw your hands up and said you refuse to say which one is wrong. Or you can choose to believe one of them. You yourself choose to go with the guy who lied about several little things under oath and who has a certifiable past as a hard partier. Fine for you. Others of us choose to believe a woman whose story echoed experiences we also had. Why is that hard for you to understand that we choose to believe her because of that? Is it because you've never been raped or assaulted? Is it because you've never experienced being so frightened and ashamed of something that happened when you were a teenager? Is it because you've never experienced people telling you they don't believe you when you tell them something horrible?

If you are going to tell me that you were falsely accused of rape and that's why you believe him, then I would say fine, I understand. But I don't understand that you get so hot and bothered that those of us for whom her story comes too close to our own choose to believe her.

I am woman - I have never been falsely accused of rape. However, I have both daughters and sons. And a husband. If we're now in a climate where anyone can dredge up 35+ year old allegations - with no evidence - and have the accused labeled a "rapist," just like that, then I truly fear for what this nation has become.

I don't necessarily believe one of them over the other (Ford/Kavanaugh). What I DO vehemently object to, is this notion that he "must" be guilty, for no other reason than she says he is. If there was indisputable evidence, or corroborating witnesses saying he did it? That would be a completely different matter. But we have none of those things. And unless or until we do, he's still an innocent man and should be treated as such.

No one is saying he shouldn't get the seat because he must be guilty.

We are saying he shouldn't get the seat because he MIGHT be guilty.

Are you guying to hire a tutor for your children who has been accused of molesting kids and has not cleared their name? What about someone who argues vehemently against the very investigation that could clear their name? Do you think, wow, he must really believe he is innocent, so let me go ahead and book him to be alone with my kids????

Of course not.