Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

According to DDOT a whopping 1% (rounded up) of people using Connecticut Avenue, not including buses, are bicyclists.

because it is fatally unsafe to ride, and yet, 1% still ride it. just think how many more would ride if it were actually safe to ride!

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

Wait until you find out about the letter/number street grid system in DC. All those parallel roads! So redundant! So unnecessary! All you really need in DC is N, S, and E Capitol Sts; plus Independence Ave OR Constitution Ave, one or the other, not both.

Exactly! So build bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue so that it can be a vibrant, mixed-use, multimodal urban boulevard. Reno Rd, which is a short distance to the west, can be widened to accommodate more thru commuter traffic.

So your brilliant idea is to turn an avenue into a road and a road into a street

Agree. This brilliant idea is to turn a major throughway into DC for over 100 years into a residential street, while turning a residential street with residences and schools on both sides into a throughway. Perfectly sensible. The stupid thinking is unbelievable. The better answer maybe to figure out how the current pathways through RC Park could be expanded. Those riding downtown would benefit from a safe and protected and attractive route.

What about those not riding downtown? A lot of people want to bike from one neighborhood to another, not downtown.

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Anonymous wrote:My vote personally would be ban bikes on Connecticut but ban cars on Reno and make it bikes only.

You realize the whole point is not only accessing downtown but for internneighborhood mobility, right? I mean, how does one get to a place like Vace if they don't ride on Connecticut Avenue? And all those houses that have driveways on Reno Road, how will that work?

Hmm... How could one get to a deli in the middle of a block. It's completely unaccessible. If only some sort of bipedal multimodal transport was available to get there from a lettered street it'd be a gamechanger.

You bike on the sidewalk, like bikers have been doing for decades.

Ask the pedestians, they don't like cyclists on the sidewalks.

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Anonymous wrote:My vote personally would be ban bikes on Connecticut but ban cars on Reno and make it bikes only.

You realize the whole point is not only accessing downtown but for internneighborhood mobility, right? I mean, how does one get to a place like Vace if they don't ride on Connecticut Avenue? And all those houses that have driveways on Reno Road, how will that work?

Hmm... How could one get to a deli in the middle of a block. It's completely unaccessible. If only some sort of bipedal multimodal transport was available to get there from a lettered street it'd be a gamechanger.

You bike on the sidewalk, like bikers have been doing for decades.

That's silly, sidewalks are for pedestrians. There's plenty of room on Connecticut Avenue for bike lanes for bicyclists and scooter users.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who tweeted about the newly poured concrete is not part of the bike advocacy community, though clearly supports those reforms.

Of course

He's the neighborhood's self-styled "Ward Boss."

Frumin?

No. Frumin never worked for Paul Manafort and the Trump campaign.

If you really believe a guy who has never won an election is a "ward boss" then I have a bridge to sell you.

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It’s pretty chilling to see all these ANC commissioners publicly threatening the same restaurants that may appear before them for liquor licenses and construction permits. This should concern everyone.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

According to DDOT a whopping 1% (rounded up) of people using Connecticut Avenue, not including buses, are bicyclists.

because it is fatally unsafe to ride, and yet, 1% still ride it. just think how many more would ride if it were actually safe to ride!

2%? At a cost of how much? Bus and Circulator routes are being shut down to pay for it.

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Anonymous wrote:My vote personally would be ban bikes on Connecticut but ban cars on Reno and make it bikes only.

You realize the whole point is not only accessing downtown but for internneighborhood mobility, right? I mean, how does one get to a place like Vace if they don't ride on Connecticut Avenue? And all those houses that have driveways on Reno Road, how will that work?

Well, you could bike to the corner of Connecticut and Macomb, lock your bike there, and then walk across the street to Vace. The houses on Reno with driveways are more of an issue, but at least some of them also seem to have alley access behind the house.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who tweeted about the newly poured concrete is not part of the bike advocacy community, though clearly supports those reforms.

Of course

He's the neighborhood's self-styled "Ward Boss."

Frumin?

No. Frumin never worked for Paul Manafort and the Trump campaign.

If you really believe a guy who has never won an election is a "ward boss" then I have a bridge to sell you.

At the risk of a digression, I don't believe ward bosses tend to run for election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty chilling to see all these ANC commissioners publicly threatening the same restaurants that may appear before them for liquor licenses and construction permits. This should concern everyone.

Which ANC commissioners are threatening the restaurants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Neighborhood listserves (and particularly the CC and CP ones) are absolutely awful sources of information on any marginally contentious local issue. Partisans shamelessly spread misinformation and outright lies and band together with other partisans to drown out those who are interested in actual facts. Your life will be immeasurably better if you never visit them.

I quit the CP listserv awhile back and have not regretted it. I just need to bring myself to quitting this one and I will probably be even better off.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

According to DDOT a whopping 1% (rounded up) of people using Connecticut Avenue, not including buses, are bicyclists.

because it is fatally unsafe to ride, and yet, 1% still ride it. just think how many more would ride if it were actually safe to ride!

2%? At a cost of how much? Bus and Circulator routes are being shut down to pay for it.

DC is shutting down Circulators for lack of ridership and shortfall of operation budgets. The CT Ave rework is a capital cost, having nothing to do with the Circuclator, and WMATA is its own entity with its own funding having nothing to do with DDOT expenditures. But otherwise, your comment is fully accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty chilling to see all these ANC commissioners publicly threatening the same restaurants that may appear before them for liquor licenses and construction permits. This should concern everyone.

Which ANC commissioners are threatening the restaurants?

Gawain Kripke has stated that he will no longer eat at the restaurants whose owner came out against the bike lanes. Sauleh Siddiqui has encouraged people to eat at other restaurants. Elected officials boycotting local businesses that disagree with them. How far we have fallen as a society! I oppose the bike lanes but I would never boycott Medium Rare or Indique because I value local businesses. How can they represent constituents with this behavior?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty chilling to see all these ANC commissioners publicly threatening the same restaurants that may appear before them for liquor licenses and construction permits. This should concern everyone.

Which ANC commissioners are threatening the restaurants?

Gawain Kripke has stated that he will no longer eat at the restaurants whose owner came out against the bike lanes. Sauleh Siddiqui has encouraged people to eat at other restaurants. Elected officials boycotting local businesses that disagree with them. How far we have fallen as a society! I oppose the bike lanes but I would never boycott Medium Rare or Indique because I value local businesses. How can they represent constituents with this behavior?

Boycotts are "threats" now?

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

According to DDOT a whopping 1% (rounded up) of people using Connecticut Avenue, not including buses, are bicyclists.

because it is fatally unsafe to ride, and yet, 1% still ride it. just think how many more would ride if it were actually safe to ride!

2%? At a cost of how much? Bus and Circulator routes are being shut down to pay for it.

DC is shutting down Circulators for lack of ridership and shortfall of operation budgets. The CT Ave rework is a capital cost, having nothing to do with the Circuclator, and WMATA is its own entity with its own funding having nothing to do with DDOT expenditures. But otherwise, your comment is fully accurate.

Lack of ridership you say. Interesting. More people rode those buses than bike.