Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:Based on some recent hysterical-sounding Tweets from folks in the bike and Smart Growth lobbies, it seems that Bowser is asking DDOT to rethink "Option C" for Connecticut Ave bike lanes.

I would hope so. It's not popular and there's no demand while at the same time there's a budget shortfall and public transport service is being cut back. What a waste of time, money and resources.

The bike crowd is hysterical and so easily triggered. One Hall of Fame tweet storm came recently when they were set off because they thought a few sections of repaired sidewalk in front of the Uptown didn’t match the surrounding sections. Someone had to tell them that the concrete is still wet! Tell me you’ve never worked a day in your life without telling me.

Why would the bike crowd care about the concrete sidewalk? When I ride my bike past the Uptown, I ride in the street. Couldn't care less whether the sidewalk matches.

The bike lane crowd is a victimhood cult. Daily slights are their currency. It’s how they achieve status in their sad little community. Coming upon a moving van blocking a bike lane is Nirvana because they get to post a picture and get dozens of likes.

I'd bet dollars to donuts you're on other threads in this forum wailing about the impunity enjoyed by those who engage in illegal behavior in DC.

Your inability to distinguish between an actual violent criminal and the actions of a hard working furniture mover is why you are in the cult. I have no problem with a mover doing honest back breaking work who parks directly in front of their delivery site to avoid having to carry a couch from around the corner so you can have your own concierge bike lane. Grow up.

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Another straw man fan. So nice of you to join us.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

A weird idea, that it's not data unless it shows cause and effect.

One interesting thing about the Toronto survey is the finding that merchants were far more likely than their customers to drive - and to overestimate the proportion of their customers who drove.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

A weird idea, that it's not data unless it shows cause and effect.

One interesting thing about the Toronto survey is the finding that merchants were far more likely than their customers to drive - and to overestimate the proportion of their customers who drove.

Lol, it's bot hard irrefutable science if it doesn't even attempt to show cause and effect It's nothing but a PR survey about people's feelings and absolutely itrelevent to Connecticut Avenue bevause the characteristics of that part of Toronto are almost the complete opposite of upper NW DC. For instance, the 75,000 person (student+staff) university right next door.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on some recent hysterical-sounding Tweets from folks in the bike and Smart Growth lobbies, it seems that Bowser is asking DDOT to rethink "Option C" for Connecticut Ave bike lanes.

I would hope so. It's not popular and there's no demand while at the same time there's a budget shortfall and public transport service is being cut back. What a waste of time, money and resources.

The bike crowd is hysterical and so easily triggered. One Hall of Fame tweet storm came recently when they were set off because they thought a few sections of repaired sidewalk in front of the Uptown didn’t match the surrounding sections. Someone had to tell them that the concrete is still wet! Tell me you’ve never worked a day in your life without telling me.

Why would the bike crowd care about the concrete sidewalk? When I ride my bike past the Uptown, I ride in the street. Couldn't care less whether the sidewalk matches.

The bike lane crowd is a victimhood cult. Daily slights are their currency. It’s how they achieve status in their sad little community. Coming upon a moving van blocking a bike lane is Nirvana because they get to post a picture and get dozens of likes.

I'd bet dollars to donuts you're on other threads in this forum wailing about the impunity enjoyed by those who engage in illegal behavior in DC.

Your inability to distinguish between an actual violent criminal and the actions of a hard working furniture mover is why you are in the cult. I have no problem with a mover doing honest back breaking work who parks directly in front of their delivery site to avoid having to carry a couch from around the corner so you can have your own concierge bike lane. Grow up.

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This is nonsensical. You think that it’s good for delivery drivers to double park and block lanes of traffic? What you actually should want is parking spaces to be reserved for pickup/dropoff/delivery. But I doubt you’d agree to the loss of parking.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

A weird idea, that it's not data unless it shows cause and effect.

One interesting thing about the Toronto survey is the finding that merchants were far more likely than their customers to drive - and to overestimate the proportion of their customers who drove.

Lol, it's bot hard irrefutable science if it doesn't even attempt to show cause and effect It's nothing but a PR survey about people's feelings and absolutely itrelevent to Connecticut Avenue bevause the characteristics of that part of Toronto are almost the complete opposite of upper NW DC. For instance, the 75,000 person (student+staff) university right next door.

It's very relevant. You just don't like the results.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who tweeted about the newly poured concrete is not part of the bike advocacy community, though clearly supports those reforms.

Of course

He's the neighborhood's self-styled "Ward Boss."

Frumin?

No. Frumin never worked for Paul Manafort and the Trump campaign.

[Anonymous]

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

Wait until you find out about the letter/number street grid system in DC. All those parallel roads! So redundant! So unnecessary! All you really need in DC is N, S, and E Capitol Sts; plus Independence Ave OR Constitution Ave, one or the other, not both.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

The study you posted was a public relations survey. A survey of a specific area with virtually no commonalitiea to Connecticut Ave. That's not science.

I'm the one who posted it, and no, it was not a "public relations survey". Also, the issues in the study about the Bloor Street bike lanes are the same ones being raised by opponents (you, for example) of Connecticut Avenue bike lanes. If you think the Bloor Street bike lanes aren't relevant, then don't raise those issues. Just keep banging on about supporting the successful businessperson over the data.

STUDY OVERVIEW

Using a case-control and pre-post design, over 3,000 visitor and 625 merchant survey responses revealed that 90% of customers to Bloor arrived by foot, bicycle or transit. Data was also collected on Danforth Avenue, a comparable shopping street with no bike lane, so that changes observed on Bloor could be put into context.

Between 2015 and 2017, TCAT used four different sources of data to measure economic activity before and after the installation of the bike lane:

estimated customer counts from 525 merchant surveys,
estimated spending from 3,005 visitor surveys,
visit frequency from the visitor surveys, and
business vacancy counts from two street level scans.

Overall, all four indicators point to increased economic activity on Bloor Street following the installation of the bike lane, despite the removal of 136 on-street parking spots and one traffic lane. Most merchants reported a higher number of customers than before the bike lane’s installation, visitors gave higher estimates of spending and visit frequency, and vacancy rates were stable.

The study also examined the travel patterns of customers, both before and after the bike lane’s installation, and found that fewer than 10% drive. Walking remains the most popular travel choice (48%), but cycling almost tripled, growing from 7% to 20%. Over 90% of customers were thus unaffected by the reduced capacity for cars.

The daily commutes of merchants, however, were significantly more impacted. Nearly half (49%) of merchants drive to work, meaning they face traffic and parking difficulties that their customers avoid by walking, cycling and taking transit. There was no increase in the number of merchants cycling to work, which, at 6%, remained their least popular travel choice.

KEY FINDINGS

Customer Counts

The number of businesses that reported 100 customers or more per day increased in the study area on both streets. Reported spending increased on Bloor and Danforth at a similar rate.
Both before and after the bike lane, customers who arrive by foot or on bike reported higher levels of spending on Bloor Street compared to those arriving by car or transit.
On both streets, locals (those living or working in the area) were 2.6 times more likely than those coming from further away to spend more than $100 per month.

Customer Frequency and Vacancy Rates

After accounting for other contributing factors such as age, gender and proximity, visitors reported coming to Bloor three days more per month after the bike lane was installed, while on Danforth visit frequency was unchanged.
People who arrived on foot or on bike visited Bloor the most often, and people who drove or took transit visited nearly four days less per month.
Vacancy rates held steady at 6% in Bloor Annex and Korea Town. On Danforth, they declined from 10% to 7%.

Shifts in Travel Patterns and Parking

The percentage of customers cycling to Bloor nearly tripled (from 7% to 20%), a substantially higher increase than on Danforth Avenue, which has no bike lane.
Walking remained the most popular travel choice, used by nearly half (48%) of visitors on Bloor, and driving is now the least (10%).
Merchants on Bloor Street preferred to drive (49%) and there was no increase in cycling, which remained the least preferred travel choice (6%).
The majority of merchants believed that at least 25% of their customers are driving to Bloor; however fewer than 10% of customers reported arriving by car.
Parking difficulty increased on both streets for visitors who drove, growing by four times on Bloor (from 8% to 33%) and nearly doubling on Danforth (from 14% to 25%), though this street did not have any on-street parking removed.
When looking at all visitors, the percentage who needed to find car parking and experienced difficulty remained small: 3% of all visitors on Bloor and 4% on Danforth.

Perceptions of Safety and Feedback on Bike Lane

After the installation of the bike lane, the proportion of visitors who perceived Bloor Street as safe for cycling more than tripled (from 17% to 61%), and doubled among merchants (from 13% to 27%), while perceptions of safety on Danforth dropped (22% to 10%).
The percentage of women who reported they now feel safe cycling on Bloor increased significantly more than men, from 12% to 58%.
The majority of visitors (86%) and merchants (90%) provided feedback in response to an open-ended question soliciting thoughts or comments about the bike lane.
While visitor comments were generally positive, the most common feedback related to the bike lane’s configuration and safety. Merchants raised more concerns than visitors, especially over impacts to business, but safety, parking, and traffic were also important issues.

I remember you. You’re the one two years ago that had the “data” saying reducing the police force would lead to LESS crime. How’s that going?

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

Wait until you find out about the letter/number street grid system in DC. All those parallel roads! So redundant! So unnecessary! All you really need in DC is N, S, and E Capitol Sts; plus Independence Ave OR Constitution Ave, one or the other, not both.

Exactly! So build bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue so that it can be a vibrant, mixed-use, multimodal urban boulevard. Reno Rd, which is a short distance to the west, can be widened to accommodate more thru commuter traffic.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

Wait until you find out about the letter/number street grid system in DC. All those parallel roads! So redundant! So unnecessary! All you really need in DC is N, S, and E Capitol Sts; plus Independence Ave OR Constitution Ave, one or the other, not both.

Exactly! So build bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue so that it can be a vibrant, mixed-use, multimodal urban boulevard. Reno Rd, which is a short distance to the west, can be widened to accommodate more thru commuter traffic.

Alternatively, build the bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and don't widen Reno Road. Reno Road also doesn't need more cars.

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

Wait until you find out about the letter/number street grid system in DC. All those parallel roads! So redundant! So unnecessary! All you really need in DC is N, S, and E Capitol Sts; plus Independence Ave OR Constitution Ave, one or the other, not both.

Exactly! So build bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue so that it can be a vibrant, mixed-use, multimodal urban boulevard. Reno Rd, which is a short distance to the west, can be widened to accommodate more thru commuter traffic.

Alternatively, build the bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and don't widen Reno Road. Reno Road also doesn't need more cars.

So where does the diverted Conn Ave traffic go? Just flush it through North Cleveland Park and Cleveland Park?

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So the choice is to: A) trust the instincts of the person who built a multimillion dollar business from the ground up that has employed hundreds of people and provided an important community amenity for decades, OR B) trust the instincts an over educated and underemployed bike riding non-profit worker who’s never started a business or made a payroll. Hmmmm. I will go with A.

In other words, you hate science when it doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Social sciences are not real sciences. Sorry.

Plenty of social science is published in hard science journals and a lot of social science is more rigorous than so-called hard science. You have no idea what you are talking about.

That may be true but it doesn't apply to this survey which is conpletely devoid of cause and effect.

And then there's the way it's being used. There is nothing in common between the location in downtown Toronto and Connecticut Ave. If it was being used to promote a bike lane project on K Street or M Street it might have some relevence. It would have been nice had a survey like this been done in Foggy Bottom. Still irrelevent to Connecticut Ave but it might lrovide some useful data.

I love the way opponents contend that Connecticut Avenue is some unique road in the world that none of the examples in this 220+ page thread from around the world compares to. Sorry, neither DC nor Conn Ave are unique where consideration for bike lanes are concerned.

Rock Creek Park/Beach Drive/ and the bike path in Rock Creek park run parallel to Connecticut Ave NW. Bike lanes throughout the city are modestly used at best.

Wait until you find out about the letter/number street grid system in DC. All those parallel roads! So redundant! So unnecessary! All you really need in DC is N, S, and E Capitol Sts; plus Independence Ave OR Constitution Ave, one or the other, not both.

Exactly! So build bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue so that it can be a vibrant, mixed-use, multimodal urban boulevard. Reno Rd, which is a short distance to the west, can be widened to accommodate more thru commuter traffic.

Alternatively, build the bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and don't widen Reno Road. Reno Road also doesn't need more cars.

So where does the diverted Conn Ave traffic go? Just flush it through North Cleveland Park and Cleveland Park?

People who choose to drive can continue driving on Connecticut Avenue, just like they do now.