Roe v Wade struck down

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I believe I read, somewhere on this site, in the last week something to the effect of “the Democrats think abortion is going to lift them over the finish line,” said with deep incredulity.

But it is. Especially as the GOP keeps doubling down on this. Begging Jeff’s pardon on this, but the Baby Boomers are the only large group that votes forced birther (I think the Greatest and Silent Generations are pretty forced birth, but they’re around .2% and 5.49% of the population at this point). This issue and the GOP’s bizarre need to force it on women is a dying gasp of a once critical cohort that appears to be angry that their cultural relevance is significantly reduced. (But what do I know. I’m an ancient Xllenial who noticed all the equally ancient Xllenials in our skinny jeans and side parted hair at conferences last night).

Not so sure about that. My mother and her (remaining) cohort who are well into their 80s are furious about Dobbs. I mean spitting mad. They are voting to protect women’s healthcare rights.

they remember life before the pill and before Roe.

You know it, sister!

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I remember this very well. Trump had to think about it for a few seconds first because he wasn’t prepared and I guess he just assumed that no one in the media would ever ask. Which was a safe assumption because no one ever did, up to that point. It’s really an indictment of our crappy mainstream media.

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I believe I read, somewhere on this site, in the last week something to the effect of “the Democrats think abortion is going to lift them over the finish line,” said with deep incredulity.

But it is. Especially as the GOP keeps doubling down on this. Begging Jeff’s pardon on this, but the Baby Boomers are the only large group that votes forced birther (I think the Greatest and Silent Generations are pretty forced birth, but they’re around .2% and 5.49% of the population at this point). This issue and the GOP’s bizarre need to force it on women is a dying gasp of a once critical cohort that appears to be angry that their cultural relevance is significantly reduced. (But what do I know. I’m an ancient Xllenial who noticed all the equally ancient Xllenials in our skinny jeans and side parted hair at conferences last night).

Is it really Boomers who are pushing abortion bans? I thought it was young, shiny evangelicals pushing abortion bans - which includes Youngkin. My parents were content that abortion was a battle won with RvW. My mother is furious and my father has passed and thankfully cannot see what a disaster his GOP has turned into.

Youngkin was born in 66, so not really a shiny young person. Just a couple years past a boomer.

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This is why the next push we will see is to stop women from voting. MMW

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Well. You can always count on Trump to forget to add nuance to the talking points. This is an old clip though, right? Can’t imagine how he’d answer now given his mental deterioration.

Probably by admitting to having paid for several abortions, naming the women and saying that they should be punished.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why the next push we will see is to stop women from voting. MMW

The rumblings have started and there is overlap between the forced birthers/ anti-feminists/ head of household voting groups. For obvious reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why the next push we will see is to stop women from voting. MMW

The rumblings have started and there is overlap between the forced birthers/ anti-feminists/ head of household voting groups. For obvious reasons.

+1 They know the first way to distract women is to keep them barefoot and pregnant. Take away the right to bodily autonomy, take away the right to birth control, then you can chip away at their economic power and return it to men, and then you can grant suffrage based on something like being married to a registered Republican man.

The GOP has shown us all what they are.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Republicans keep losing on this issue because they are sending mixed messages. For instance, they argue that all abortion is murder and that life begins at the instant of conception, but are okay with abortion bans that start at 15 weeks. (If life begins at conception, then abortion is just as wrong at 13 weeks as it is at 16 weeks.) Or that only abortion doctors, and not women who receive abortions, should be punished for having an abortion. (If a husband hires a hit man to murder his wife, do we say that only the hit man should be arrested and charged with a crime?) Or that abortion is okay in cases of rape and incest. (Why should method of conception matter if the baby is innocent?) Republicans are failing miserably on the messaging because people can clearly recognize that they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Vivek Ramaswamy was on CNN last night trying to make the same argument with a straight face: "We are losing on abortion because our messaging is terrible, we don't do a good job of selling this to the voters, blah blah blah...."

Kaitlin Collins was dumbstruck by his argument and was like "Maybe - after 7 straight losses - the Republicans' policy on abortion is just out-of-step with voters?" To which Ramadwamy replied "No, we have a messaging problem."

These people are in such a bubble of group-think. They are going to keep trying to force anti-abortion measures on people at the local level. The Ohio GOP elites are in full revolt against the voters of the state.

More of the doubling down and insisting that it’s just the messaging here from JD Vance. They just don’t get it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Republicans keep losing on this issue because they are sending mixed messages. For instance, they argue that all abortion is murder and that life begins at the instant of conception, but are okay with abortion bans that start at 15 weeks. (If life begins at conception, then abortion is just as wrong at 13 weeks as it is at 16 weeks.) Or that only abortion doctors, and not women who receive abortions, should be punished for having an abortion. (If a husband hires a hit man to murder his wife, do we say that only the hit man should be arrested and charged with a crime?) Or that abortion is okay in cases of rape and incest. (Why should method of conception matter if the baby is innocent?) Republicans are failing miserably on the messaging because people can clearly recognize that they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Vivek Ramaswamy was on CNN last night trying to make the same argument with a straight face: "We are losing on abortion because our messaging is terrible, we don't do a good job of selling this to the voters, blah blah blah...."

Kaitlin Collins was dumbstruck by his argument and was like "Maybe - after 7 straight losses - the Republicans' policy on abortion is just out-of-step with voters?" To which Ramadwamy replied "No, we have a messaging problem."

These people are in such a bubble of group-think. They are going to keep trying to force anti-abortion measures on people at the local level. The Ohio GOP elites are in full revolt against the voters of the state.

More of the doubling down and insisting that it’s just the messaging here from JD Vance. They just don’t get it.

Look, all these men know this is a losing issue. That's why they are now talking about things like voters mistrusting their intentions and how they have to really show how pro-life they are. This is simply a ploy to re-package a deeply unpopular viewpoint and sell it as something else. They tried this right after Dobbs came down. Megan McArdle had an op ed in the Washington Post talking about how they had to now put their money where their mouth is and truly support women and children. The comments were on fire - pointing out that the GOP had FIFTY YEARS to advocate for funding that support, but were only interested in it now that they could restrict women's choices.

Also, JD Vance is a tool.

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More doubling down

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Oh how very sad. Americans think pro-life means no abortions without exception because that is what Republicans have all been saying, things like “life begins at conception,” ad infinitum lo these 40 years. Now they’re mad about it?

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Anonymous wrote:More doubling down

To convince women to give up their reproductive rights, Republicans have to make an absolutely rock-solid case that life begins at the instant of conception and therefore abortion at any time is murder. By saying that abortion is okay at 14 weeks, Tim Scott is making it clear that he doesn’t *really* believe that life begins at conception. So if even Tim Scott doesn’t believe it, why should anyone else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I believe I read, somewhere on this site, in the last week something to the effect of “the Democrats think abortion is going to lift them over the finish line,” said with deep incredulity.

But it is. Especially as the GOP keeps doubling down on this. Begging Jeff’s pardon on this, but the Baby Boomers are the only large group that votes forced birther (I think the Greatest and Silent Generations are pretty forced birth, but they’re around .2% and 5.49% of the population at this point). This issue and the GOP’s bizarre need to force it on women is a dying gasp of a once critical cohort that appears to be angry that their cultural relevance is significantly reduced. (But what do I know. I’m an ancient Xllenial who noticed all the equally ancient Xllenials in our skinny jeans and side parted hair at conferences last night).

Is it really Boomers who are pushing abortion bans? I thought it was young, shiny evangelicals pushing abortion bans - which includes Youngkin. My parents were content that abortion was a battle won with RvW. My mother is furious and my father has passed and thankfully cannot see what a disaster his GOP has turned into.

Youngkin was born in 66, so not really a shiny young person. Just a couple years past a boomer.

For a presidential candidate that is on the younger side

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I believe I read, somewhere on this site, in the last week something to the effect of “the Democrats think abortion is going to lift them over the finish line,” said with deep incredulity.

But it is. Especially as the GOP keeps doubling down on this. Begging Jeff’s pardon on this, but the Baby Boomers are the only large group that votes forced birther (I think the Greatest and Silent Generations are pretty forced birth, but they’re around .2% and 5.49% of the population at this point). This issue and the GOP’s bizarre need to force it on women is a dying gasp of a once critical cohort that appears to be angry that their cultural relevance is significantly reduced. (But what do I know. I’m an ancient Xllenial who noticed all the equally ancient Xllenials in our skinny jeans and side parted hair at conferences last night).

Is it really Boomers who are pushing abortion bans? I thought it was young, shiny evangelicals pushing abortion bans - which includes Youngkin. My parents were content that abortion was a battle won with RvW. My mother is furious and my father has passed and thankfully cannot see what a disaster his GOP has turned into.

Youngkin was born in 66, so not really a shiny young person. Just a couple years past a boomer.

For a presidential candidate that is on the younger side

All the boomer women I know are fierce pro reproductive rights and spitting mad about Dobbs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I believe I read, somewhere on this site, in the last week something to the effect of “the Democrats think abortion is going to lift them over the finish line,” said with deep incredulity.

But it is. Especially as the GOP keeps doubling down on this. Begging Jeff’s pardon on this, but the Baby Boomers are the only large group that votes forced birther (I think the Greatest and Silent Generations are pretty forced birth, but they’re around .2% and 5.49% of the population at this point). This issue and the GOP’s bizarre need to force it on women is a dying gasp of a once critical cohort that appears to be angry that their cultural relevance is significantly reduced. (But what do I know. I’m an ancient Xllenial who noticed all the equally ancient Xllenials in our skinny jeans and side parted hair at conferences last night).

Is it really Boomers who are pushing abortion bans? I thought it was young, shiny evangelicals pushing abortion bans - which includes Youngkin. My parents were content that abortion was a battle won with RvW. My mother is furious and my father has passed and thankfully cannot see what a disaster his GOP has turned into.

Youngkin was born in 66, so not really a shiny young person. Just a couple years past a boomer.

For a presidential candidate that is on the younger side

All the boomer women I know are fierce pro reproductive rights and spitting mad about Dobbs.

Every generation is angry about Dobbs but it is really infuriating to boomers and gen x. They held this right for the longest amount of time and will not allow it to be destroyed without a monster of a fight