5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A kid who has had a leg up in the CES for two years SHOULD score higher than a kid who has not because of all the extra instruction. For a non-CES kid to score high despite the lack luster regular teaching it shows innate ability so it’s absolutely reasonable if they can get in with slightly lower scores if that’s what is happening.

However what is more likely is that schools that house a CES have a larger number off highly able kids than those that don’t. If your school has a CES then your kid has more competition regardless of whether your kid is in the CES or not.

So if you think writing a bit more or doing some internet research before writing an essay at CES magically improves COGAT scores, you are delusional. If CES students are indeed penalized as some people claim here, I think it would be highly unfair and may even be subject to lawsuit.

They look at a students home MS not whether they're in a CES. Also the PP who posted their scores are fine, but without a high MAP-M they child wouldn't get into TPMS magnet.

[Anonymous]

I think it would be useful if we all started treating this process more like college admissions and less like a foot race. There is just no way to know which one factor meant one kid got in and another kid did not or was wait-listed.

It would be easier if we could all just look at the November test scores and know that there is a certain threshold. But it is actually a pretty complicated universe of factors, including but not limited to home Elementary School, assigned Middle School, test scores, grades, earlier tests, and age.

[Anonymous]

I think it would be useful if we all started treating this process more like college admissions and less like a foot race. There is just no way to know which one factor meant one kid got in and another kid did not or was wait-listed.

It would be easier if we could all just look at the November test scores and know that there is a certain threshold. But it is actually a pretty complicated universe of factors, including but not limited to home Elementary School, assigned Middle School, test scores, grades, earlier tests, and age.

[Anonymous]

Sorry for the double post!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be useful if we all started treating this process more like college admissions and less like a foot race. There is just no way to know which one factor meant one kid got in and another kid did not or was wait-listed.

It would be easier if we could all just look at the November test scores and know that there is a certain threshold. But it is actually a pretty complicated universe of factors, including but not limited to home Elementary School, assigned Middle School, test scores, grades, earlier tests, and age.

Wisdom on DCUM!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be useful if we all started treating this process more like college admissions and less like a foot race. There is just no way to know which one factor meant one kid got in and another kid did not or was wait-listed.

It would be easier if we could all just look at the November test scores and know that there is a certain threshold. But it is actually a pretty complicated universe of factors, including but not limited to home Elementary School, assigned Middle School, test scores, grades, earlier tests, and age.

Wisdom on DCUM!

+1

It just won’t be straight forward to figure out and understand since the change 2 years ago

[Anonymous]

Y'all are way overanalyzing and wildly speculating based on a few conversations with "friends," a couple of google searches, and lots of he-said-she-said (in many cases where the hes and shes are 10 years old). My child from a good home MS is in a CES, got exceptional Q, very good V, and pretty average (as in under 70%) NV and is recommended for a magnet. You're just not gonna know the reasoning behind these decisions beyond what they told you -- attempts to provide enrichment for those who need it but also in an effort to provide equity across the county so more kids who would have great benefit get greater access. Anyway, we're surprised. Lots of people are. Speculating is just gonna give you a headache and isn't going to change a thing or give anyone a crystal ball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A kid who has had a leg up in the CES for two years SHOULD score higher than a kid who has not because of all the extra instruction. For a non-CES kid to score high despite the lack luster regular teaching it shows innate ability so it’s absolutely reasonable if they can get in with slightly lower scores if that’s what is happening.

However what is more likely is that schools that house a CES have a larger number off highly able kids than those that don’t. If your school has a CES then your kid has more competition regardless of whether your kid is in the CES or not.

So if you think writing a bit more or doing some internet research before writing an essay at CES magically improves COGAT scores, you are delusional. If CES students are indeed penalized as some people claim here, I think it would be highly unfair and may even be subject to lawsuit.

You are being quite absurd.
Your child is getting a FREE enriched education for 2 years. I don't think it always makes a difference in Cogat scores but could since it's a learned abilities test. And I don't think CES kids are penalized based on what we know. It does seem like a few kids from local schools who add to the geographic or school diversity of the program might have been admitted with lower scores. They might have be lower than your CES kid but they may also have been lower than the school in the same SES group that is next door just because of happenstance. Maybe that other regular school next door happens to have 2-3 kids who scored higher. You just don't know.

Even if being at a CES was disadvantageous for some kids it's all relative. That means, and I know this is really shocking, your child was NOT AMONG THE TOP SCORERS AT YOUR CES.
You seem to misunderstand discrimination laws. There is no basis for a lawsuit if this was the case. There are certain classes in the U.S. that are protected. This includes race and religion.
It does not include kids at the CES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y'all are way overanalyzing and wildly speculating based on a few conversations with "friends," a couple of google searches, and lots of he-said-she-said (in many cases where the hes and shes are 10 years old). My child from a good home MS is in a CES, got exceptional Q, very good V, and pretty average (as in under 70%) NV and is recommended for a magnet. You're just not gonna know the reasoning behind these decisions beyond what they told you -- attempts to provide enrichment for those who need it but also in an effort to provide equity across the county so more kids who would have great benefit get greater access. Anyway, we're surprised. Lots of people are. Speculating is just gonna give you a headache and isn't going to change a thing or give anyone a crystal ball.

Girl right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be useful if we all started treating this process more like college admissions and less like a foot race. There is just no way to know which one factor meant one kid got in and another kid did not or was wait-listed.

It would be easier if we could all just look at the November test scores and know that there is a certain threshold. But it is actually a pretty complicated universe of factors, including but not limited to home Elementary School, assigned Middle School, test scores, grades, earlier tests, and age.

Wisdom on DCUM!

+1
It's a mathematical process that makes (some) sense up to a certain point. When the committee starts looking at diversity and I mean that term broadly encompassing gender, school, geographic region, FARMS/ESOL, etc. it's really a crap shoot. It could be one committee member really advocated for a girl who had a perfect quant score, a good verbal score but not so great NV who might otherwise have been rejected. That committee member may have noticed that she's the only girl in that whole CES to score that high although maybe 10 boys scored that high and 2 got in and the rest got waitlisted or rejected. It could have been the other way around too with a boy who had an exceptional score in one area and got lucky. There also seem to be kids who didn't get lucky. There's one PP who posted a really high verbal score but the child didn't get in. I think that child could have easily gotten in if the right person had picked up his application and made a case for him in the right way to the other committee members.

Also keep in mind Eastern and TPMS magnets have completely different committees. I don't know how many from last year served again this year but last year there was a lot of overlap between Eastern and TPMS admits last year which certainly suggests, overall, they were looking for strength across multiple areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A kid who has had a leg up in the CES for two years SHOULD score higher than a kid who has not because of all the extra instruction. For a non-CES kid to score high despite the lack luster regular teaching it shows innate ability so it’s absolutely reasonable if they can get in with slightly lower scores if that’s what is happening.

However what is more likely is that schools that house a CES have a larger number off highly able kids than those that don’t. If your school has a CES then your kid has more competition regardless of whether your kid is in the CES or not.

So if you think writing a bit more or doing some internet research before writing an essay at CES magically improves COGAT scores, you are delusional. If CES students are indeed penalized as some people claim here, I think it would be highly unfair and may even be subject to lawsuit.

You are being quite absurd.
Your child is getting a FREE enriched education for 2 years. I don't think it always makes a difference in Cogat scores but could since it's a learned abilities test. And I don't think CES kids are penalized based on what we know. It does seem like a few kids from local schools who add to the geographic or school diversity of the program might have been admitted with lower scores. They might have be lower than your CES kid but they may also have been lower than the school in the same SES group that is next door just because of happenstance. Maybe that other regular school next door happens to have 2-3 kids who scored higher. You just don't know.

Even if being at a CES was disadvantageous for some kids it's all relative. That means, and I know this is really shocking, your child was NOT AMONG THE TOP SCORERS AT YOUR CES.
You seem to misunderstand discrimination laws. There is no basis for a lawsuit if this was the case. There are certain classes in the U.S. that are protected. This includes race and religion.
It does not include kids at the CES.

Easy now. I don't even have a dog in this fight. But if true, it seems very unfair to deny a student just because he/she is in CES, and admit instead another student from similar SES/geographical/ES area. And as far as lawsuit goes, it would be up to the judge to decide if there is a basis or if this is fair/unfair. That's what the lawsuits are for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A kid who has had a leg up in the CES for two years SHOULD score higher than a kid who has not because of all the extra instruction. For a non-CES kid to score high despite the lack luster regular teaching it shows innate ability so it’s absolutely reasonable if they can get in with slightly lower scores if that’s what is happening.

However what is more likely is that schools that house a CES have a larger number off highly able kids than those that don’t. If your school has a CES then your kid has more competition regardless of whether your kid is in the CES or not.

So if you think writing a bit more or doing some internet research before writing an essay at CES magically improves COGAT scores, you are delusional. If CES students are indeed penalized as some people claim here, I think it would be highly unfair and may even be subject to lawsuit.

You are being quite absurd.
Your child is getting a FREE enriched education for 2 years. I don't think it always makes a difference in Cogat scores but could since it's a learned abilities test. And I don't think CES kids are penalized based on what we know. It does seem like a few kids from local schools who add to the geographic or school diversity of the program might have been admitted with lower scores. They might have be lower than your CES kid but they may also have been lower than the school in the same SES group that is next door just because of happenstance. Maybe that other regular school next door happens to have 2-3 kids who scored higher. You just don't know.

Even if being at a CES was disadvantageous for some kids it's all relative. That means, and I know this is really shocking, your child was NOT AMONG THE TOP SCORERS AT YOUR CES.
You seem to misunderstand discrimination laws. There is no basis for a lawsuit if this was the case. There are certain classes in the U.S. that are protected. This includes race and religion.
It does not include kids at the CES.

Easy now. I don't even have a dog in this fight. But if true, it seems very unfair to deny a student just because he/she is in CES, and admit instead another student from similar SES/geographical/ES area. And as far as lawsuit goes, it would be up to the judge to decide if there is a basis or if this is fair/unfair. That's what the lawsuits are for.

Yes, but none of that is true otherwise provide facts to support it.

[Anonymous]

DC only have good NV and got in Eastern, average Q and V
We do not expect acceptance to either magnet
Average non W middle school and not in CES
MAP are good though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC only have good NV and got in Eastern, average Q and V
We do not expect acceptance to either magnet
Average non W middle school and not in CES
MAP are good though

How good is the NV?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:99%, V53, Q43, N49. In boundary for TPMS, currently in a CES and not accepted at either TPMS or Eastern. At least the kid learned how to write in the CES.

If MCPS did a better job for all kids, people might not be losing their minds over envelopes. The County goes through the process of identifying kids as gifted at multiple points (and I think they're a little too generous with that label), but then has limited ability to actually provide enrichment. 100 spots for STEM enrichment is a joke. All kids could benefit from enriched science classes, not just the 99.9% who won this bizarre mcps lottery.

Those scores are high! It's hard to believe they aren't high enough to get a spot, or at least waitlisted!

If those scores are accurate something else is going on. My kid got spots at both magnets with lower scores, also in bound for TPMS. MCPS says it’s not any one factor so I’d guess there are differences in:

- MAP scores
- grades
- age (PP’s kid is likely red shirted or one of the older kids)

Wait. So you're on an anonymous board talking to someone else on an anonymous board and you happen to know that you're both at the same elementary school?

Yes, because of the info provided.

If you're actually at the same school I would bet your child is a boy and the other PP's child is a girl or vice versa.

I'm the PP. (V53, Q43, N49.)..My kid is a boy and not red-shirted. He has a late spring birthday. His gets all As, 5 on Parcc and 99% on Map, so I'm not really sure why he was rejected outright, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the number of boys? Or maybe they want a higher quant score for TPMS. Or, if you have 40 plus kids in a program with really similar scores, do you just pick names out of a hat?