New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why do you keep lying? Most people on 9/16 preferred a name other than Stuart. Only 18% of the votes in total went to Stuart. The community is read for and wants change.

The name is discriminatory because it honors a white supremacist who fought to perpetuate slavery, and minority kids shouldn't have to put up with that crap.

Most people did not show up to vote because they had already voted--more than once. And, the majority voted early on to keep the name.

I agree it was a poor choice of names. But, it has been the name of the school for a long time. The taxpayers of Fairfax County deserve to have their money go to education. This will not help one bit.

And, most people preferred a name other than Marshall Most people preferred a name other than Johns.

Well, the people who didn't show up, for whatever reason, don't get a say. They don't get to point to past votes. I didn't vote in the first round about keeping or changing, and I would have said change. I'm pretty sure you don't care about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why do you keep lying? Most people on 9/16 preferred a name other than Stuart. Only 18% of the votes in total went to Stuart. The community is read for and wants change.

The name is discriminatory because it honors a white supremacist who fought to perpetuate slavery, and minority kids shouldn't have to put up with that crap.

Most people did not show up to vote because they had already voted--more than once. And, the majority voted early on to keep the name.

I agree it was a poor choice of names. But, it has been the name of the school for a long time. The taxpayers of Fairfax County deserve to have their money go to education. This will not help one bit.

And, most people preferred a name other than Marshall Most people preferred a name other than Johns.

Well, the people who didn't show up, for whatever reason, don't get a say. They don't get to point to past votes. I didn't vote in the first round about keeping or changing, and I would have said change. I'm pretty sure you don't care about that.

Stuart received the most votes.
Stuarts costs the least money.

No brainer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I understand what you're insinuating and it's a bogus argument. Need only look at Germany after WWII to understand.

You do understand that the Germans were treated quite differently after WWII than WWI? It was called the Marshall Plan.

Look it up.

Oh now the US and allies are to blame for WW2 because we didn't do enough for Germany?

Germany was divided into two countries after WW2. Supervisor: The USSR. How many Russians died? Germany is back and runs most of Europe.
Should it have remained 2 countries after the change from communism?

Meanwhile there is a Stuart that has an extremely positive history in education for African Americans. Alice Jackson Stuart was rejected by UVA for graduate school in 1935. She was the first African American to apply and ended up at Columbia. Because she applied to UVA, VA did something negative and set up funds for AA's to attend grad school out of state.

Naming it after Alice Jackson Stuart is the ultimate bite for anyone who wanted to intimidate AA's on the subject of education. Replacing a pro-slavery confederate general with an AA woman denied enrollment in his state's flagship university because she was black? Plus she was an academic and her son was also extremely successful-superior ct judge. In an era when few of any race went to college look what she did. That is the kind of person a school should be named after.

Here she is: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/vawomen/2012/?bio=stuart

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I understand what you're insinuating and it's a bogus argument. Need only look at Germany after WWII to understand.

You do understand that the Germans were treated quite differently after WWII than WWI? It was called the Marshall Plan.

Look it up.

Oh now the US and allies are to blame for WW2 because we didn't do enough for Germany?

Germany was divided into two countries after WW2. Supervisor: The USSR. How many Russians died? Germany is back and runs most of Europe.
Should it have remained 2 countries after the change from communism?

Meanwhile there is a Stuart that has an extremely positive history in education for African Americans. Alice Jackson Stuart was rejected by UVA for graduate school in 1935. She was the first African American to apply and ended up at Columbia. Because she applied to UVA, VA did something negative and set up funds for AA's to attend grad school out of state.

Naming it after Alice Jackson Stuart is the ultimate bite for anyone who wanted to intimidate AA's on the subject of education. Replacing a pro-slavery confederate general with an AA woman denied enrollment in his state's flagship university because she was black? Plus she was an academic and her son was also extremely successful-superior ct judge. In an era when few of any race went to college look what she did. That is the kind of person a school should be named after.

Here she is: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/vawomen/2012/?bio=stuart

Too bad you didn't submit her name. That sounds like it would have been a terrific option for all. It would have saved lots of money and, I think, satisfied the changers. I didn't see that on the list. So, go with Stuart and call it Alice Jackson Stuart. I'm fine with that--but it was not one of the submissions. Why don't you write the School Board with the suggestion. FWIW, I thought they should have kept the name --but because of confusion and funds, not sentiment.

And, as an aside, my British friend told me that her dad often said that the best thing that ever happened to Europe was the Iron Curtain. (This was before it fell.)

[Anonymous]

And, as an aside, my British friend told me that her dad often said that the best thing that ever happened to Europe was the Iron Curtain. (This was before it fell.)

Please don't take that as an agreement! Just a statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I understand what you're insinuating and it's a bogus argument. Need only look at Germany after WWII to understand.

You do understand that the Germans were treated quite differently after WWII than WWI? It was called the Marshall Plan.

Look it up.

Oh now the US and allies are to blame for WW2 because we didn't do enough for Germany?

Germany was divided into two countries after WW2. Supervisor: The USSR. How many Russians died? Germany is back and runs most of Europe.
Should it have remained 2 countries after the change from communism?

Meanwhile there is a Stuart that has an extremely positive history in education for African Americans. Alice Jackson Stuart was rejected by UVA for graduate school in 1935. She was the first African American to apply and ended up at Columbia. Because she applied to UVA, VA did something negative and set up funds for AA's to attend grad school out of state.

Naming it after Alice Jackson Stuart is the ultimate bite for anyone who wanted to intimidate AA's on the subject of education. Replacing a pro-slavery confederate general with an AA woman denied enrollment in his state's flagship university because she was black? Plus she was an academic and her son was also extremely successful-superior ct judge. In an era when few of any race went to college look what she did. That is the kind of person a school should be named after.

Here she is: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/vawomen/2012/?bio=stuart

I wrote up the Peace Valley names (long ago in this thread), but Alice Jackson Stuart sounds GREAT!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I understand what you're insinuating and it's a bogus argument. Need only look at Germany after WWII to understand.

You do understand that the Germans were treated quite differently after WWII than WWI? It was called the Marshall Plan.

Look it up.

Oh now the US and allies are to blame for WW2 because we didn't do enough for Germany?

Germany was divided into two countries after WW2. Supervisor: The USSR. How many Russians died? Germany is back and runs most of Europe.
Should it have remained 2 countries after the change from communism?

Meanwhile there is a Stuart that has an extremely positive history in education for African Americans. Alice Jackson Stuart was rejected by UVA for graduate school in 1935. She was the first African American to apply and ended up at Columbia. Because she applied to UVA, VA did something negative and set up funds for AA's to attend grad school out of state.

Naming it after Alice Jackson Stuart is the ultimate bite for anyone who wanted to intimidate AA's on the subject of education. Replacing a pro-slavery confederate general with an AA woman denied enrollment in his state's flagship university because she was black? Plus she was an academic and her son was also extremely successful-superior ct judge. In an era when few of any race went to college look what she did. That is the kind of person a school should be named after.

Here she is: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/vawomen/2012/?bio=stuart

I wrote up the Peace Valley names (long ago in this thread), but Alice Jackson Stuart sounds GREAT!

I like both Alice Jackson Stuart and the Mendez suggestion. Could live with Peace Valley but it's boring.

We can't have another Marshall High in Fairfax. Too confusing. Johns doesn't do much for me. She has no connection to the area and is only known for one thing she did as a teenager.

The School Board should NOT let the NAACP decide the name of our local school. There are more white and Hispanic kids than black kids there anyway.

[Anonymous]

The School Board should NOT let the NAACP decide the name of our local school. There are more white and Hispanic kids than black kids there anyway.

Agree with your first statement. Your second statement has nothing to do with the price of apples.

I was a keeper. But, I think the Alice Jackson Stuart name sounds great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I understand what you're insinuating and it's a bogus argument. Need only look at Germany after WWII to understand.

You do understand that the Germans were treated quite differently after WWII than WWI? It was called the Marshall Plan.

Look it up.

Oh now the US and allies are to blame for WW2 because we didn't do enough for Germany?

Germany was divided into two countries after WW2. Supervisor: The USSR. How many Russians died? Germany is back and runs most of Europe.
Should it have remained 2 countries after the change from communism?

Meanwhile there is a Stuart that has an extremely positive history in education for African Americans. Alice Jackson Stuart was rejected by UVA for graduate school in 1935. She was the first African American to apply and ended up at Columbia. Because she applied to UVA, VA did something negative and set up funds for AA's to attend grad school out of state.

Naming it after Alice Jackson Stuart is the ultimate bite for anyone who wanted to intimidate AA's on the subject of education. Replacing a pro-slavery confederate general with an AA woman denied enrollment in his state's flagship university because she was black? Plus she was an academic and her son was also extremely successful-superior ct judge. In an era when few of any race went to college look what she did. That is the kind of person a school should be named after.

Here she is: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/vawomen/2012/?bio=stuart

I wrote up the Peace Valley names (long ago in this thread), but Alice Jackson Stuart sounds GREAT!

I like both Alice Jackson Stuart and the Mendez suggestion. Could live with Peace Valley but it's boring.

We can't have another Marshall High in Fairfax. Too confusing. Johns doesn't do much for me. She has no connection to the area and is only known for one thing she did as a teenager.

The School Board should NOT let the NAACP decide the name of our local school. There are more white and Hispanic kids than black kids there anyway.

Then only Hispanics should have a say because they outnumber everyone else. If blacks shouldn't have a say because Hispanics and Whites outnumber them, then Whites shouldn't have say either because they are outnumbered by Hispanics. So STFU already. Hope you feel this way in fifty years when whites are a minority in the country. You'll be okay with not having a say because you will be outnumbered. Also, last time I checked, the NAACP didn't vote, community members did. And, if names that Whites like count, then Johns count because some of the biggest proponents of Barbara Rose Johns were White members of the Stuart community. But I'm sure that doesn't fit into your bigoted frame of reference.

[Anonymous]

Did the superintendent make a recommendation last week? Did I miss that part?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did the superintendent make a recommendation last week? Did I miss that part?

He put forward the top five vote getters. Now, it is up to the School Board.

Stuart
Johns
Justice Marshall
Peace Valley
Mendez

That is from memory --it might not be in the correct order.

[Anonymous]

The school board could start a policy of naming schools after landmarks or neutral words and then naming areas within the school for specific people (i.e. the Barbara Rose Johns technology center, or Mendez field, Justice Marshall Hall, or whatever). That way, the school name won't be challenged in the future and if anything comes of changing the field or library name because of information about the person, it can be relatively easy to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The School Board should NOT let the NAACP decide the name of our local school. There are more white and Hispanic kids than black kids there anyway.

Agree with your first statement. Your second statement has nothing to do with the price of apples.

I was a keeper. But, I think the Alice Jackson Stuart name sounds great.

The pp is probably the poster who thinks the NAACP somehow hacked the voting system. You agree with that? Saying you agree that the NAACP shouldn't decide makes it seem like there is a possibility that they could decide when we all know that only community members could vote. If any of the names forwarded by the superintendent is chosen, then the community decided, not the NAACP, even if you think it's a name the NAACP would be happy about. The false narrative that the NAACP is influencing the vote when we all heard very passionate presentations from more than one community member for ALL the names presented is just unnecessary and not helpful. Also, many of the people who spoke for Johns and Marshall were White community members. In fact, I think the first person who went to the podium on September 9th in support of Marshall was an elderly White gentleman. Please don't encourage PP's divisive false NAACP narrative--people who don't know the voting rules or who weren't there to see community members speak might think it's actually true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The School Board should NOT let the NAACP decide the name of our local school. There are more white and Hispanic kids than black kids there anyway.

Agree with your first statement. Your second statement has nothing to do with the price of apples.

I was a keeper. But, I think the Alice Jackson Stuart name sounds great.

The pp is probably the poster who thinks the NAACP somehow hacked the voting system. You agree with that? Saying you agree that the NAACP shouldn't decide makes it seem like there is a possibility that they could decide when we all know that only community members could vote. If any of the names forwarded by the superintendent is chosen, then the community decided, not the NAACP, even if you think it's a name the NAACP would be happy about. The false narrative that the NAACP is influencing the vote when we all heard very passionate presentations from more than one community member for ALL the names presented is just unnecessary and not helpful. Also, many of the people who spoke for Johns and Marshall were White community members. In fact, I think the first person who went to the podium on September 9th in support of Marshall was an elderly White gentleman. Please don't encourage PP's divisive false NAACP narrative--people who don't know the voting rules or who weren't there to see community members speak might think it's actually true.

The NAACP was directly involved in the process. They had reps on the committee--reps that did not live in the community. They gave direct support to the whole process of changing. And, they made it clear that this was not just about getting rid of the Jeb Stuart name, it was about naming it after a minority--preferably Marshall. Their presence on the committee was one of the problems. Albers was directly involved in this whole process, too.

[Anonymous]

ps Alber does not live in the community.