Active shooter on Brown campus

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Where is Kash Patel?

They say the shooter shouted something before the attack? What was it?

The weapons was unusual? How?


It's amazing that Kash hasn't leaked any details before they are cleared for release to the public. And no pics of him standing around in a borrowed FBI jacket pretending to be in charge.
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Anonymous wrote:Where is Kash Patel?

They say the shooter shouted something before the attack? What was it?

The weapons was unusual? How?


It's amazing that Kash hasn't leaked any details before they are cleared for release to the public. And no pics of him standing around in a borrowed FBI jacket pretending to be in charge.


At least we know it's a male in all black clothing with a mask and carrying a gun.
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Anonymous wrote:Over 150 people in a dark gym for over 12 hours
Talk about trauma.


The UVA students were on lockdown for 12 hours so this isn’t new.


Can you say a little more about why you posted this?


Exactly. Why?


To illustrate that school shootings and long lockdowns are not a one-off in the US, particularly when the shooter doesn't commit suicide or get shot by police.


And not even student related. This was a 30-year old extremist, unrelated to Brown.

Campus police were there immediately according to students.

You can’t protect against this stuff. The alert systems worked. The school was prepared.

You can’t predict this stuff and very little you can do with random attacks.


And "good guys with guns" wouldn't have stopped it - rarely ever have.


Every cop that kills a shooter is a good guy with a gun. Every shooter that cowardly offs themselves when the cops arrive are killed by the specter of a good guy with a gun.
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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe Brown had unlocked doors. Even our elementary schools keep doors locked at all times. Also can't believe they haven't identified the shooter yet. Why the secrecy?


It’s a college. Most have unlocked doors.


+100

We went on 20 different campuses on tour and could walk in pretty much anywhere on campuses except student housing.


That's dangerous and absurd.


How old are you?

You are crazy.

And you cannot protect against random whack jobs. I know it makes you feel better to think any random whacko with a gun can be stopped before anything happens. It’s not the world we live in unless you never leave the house.

We just had the army reserve shot and killed right near the White House.


I work in a public school system. Not crazy at all. Every school in our system keeps doors locked. Admittance only with a badge or allowed to enter by person at front desk. Cameras everywhere.


Oh Honey, a college campus—especially urban ones with many buildings in the city off campus, fluid borders, 8k+ is not an elementary or high school campus.
Anonymous
Yes, student welcome centers welcome thousands of visitors each day. These centers often the student centers are unlocked during the day.
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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe Brown had unlocked doors. Even our elementary schools keep doors locked at all times. Also can't believe they haven't identified the shooter yet. Why the secrecy?


It’s a college. Most have unlocked doors.


+100

We went on 20 different campuses on tour and could walk in pretty much anywhere on campuses except student housing.


That's dangerous and absurd.


How old are you?

You are crazy.

And you cannot protect against random whack jobs. I know it makes you feel better to think any random whacko with a gun can be stopped before anything happens. It’s not the world we live in unless you never leave the house.

We just had the army reserve shot and killed right near the White House.


I work in a public school system. Not crazy at all. Every school in our system keeps doors locked. Admittance only with a badge or allowed to enter by person at front desk. Cameras everywhere.

Clearly you do NOT have college-aged children. I am a professor, and it is *impossible* to keep all doors on a college campus locked with entry on an individual basis. At my mid-sized university, you theoretically need an ID to get into buildings, but in the time between the end of class and the start of the next period, you literally have hundreds of students streaming into and exiting buildings within a 15-minute window. How do you enforce students entering one-by-one and not holding the door open for the kids behind them? How long do you think it would take to process hundreds of students to enter into each building multiple times per day? And how many students do you think *forget* their IDs or lose them on a regular basis?
This is NOT an elementary, middle, or even school, with a secured building or small campus. You are talking about dozens of buildings, offices, labs, dorms, dining halls, athletic facilities, libraries, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Where is Kash Patel?

They say the shooter shouted something before the attack? What was it?

The weapons was unusual? How?


Banging his girlfriend on a government jet most likely.
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Anonymous wrote:Over 150 people in a dark gym for over 12 hours
Talk about trauma.


The UVA students were on lockdown for 12 hours so this isn’t new.


Can you say a little more about why you posted this?


Exactly. Why?


To illustrate that school shootings and long lockdowns are not a one-off in the US, particularly when the shooter doesn't commit suicide or get shot by police.


And not even student related. This was a 30-year old extremist, unrelated to Brown.

Campus police were there immediately according to students.

You can’t protect against this stuff. The alert systems worked. The school was prepared.

You can’t predict this stuff and very little you can do with random attacks.


And "good guys with guns" wouldn't have stopped it - rarely ever have.


Every cop that kills a shooter is a good guy with a gun. Every shooter that cowardly offs themselves when the cops arrive are killed by the specter of a good guy with a gun.


Not exactly. First, we have a problem with wrongful shootings by cops, to the point where we've had national protests about it, in case you weren't paying attention to the last 30 years.

Second, the cops at least have some training. It's the MAGA bozos who think because they have a gun they are now an action hero who will stop crime who are the problem. For all their guns, they prevent nothing.
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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe Brown had unlocked doors. Even our elementary schools keep doors locked at all times. Also can't believe they haven't identified the shooter yet. Why the secrecy?


It’s a college. Most have unlocked doors.


+100

We went on 20 different campuses on tour and could walk in pretty much anywhere on campuses except student housing.


That's dangerous and absurd.


How old are you?

You are crazy.

And you cannot protect against random whack jobs. I know it makes you feel better to think any random whacko with a gun can be stopped before anything happens. It’s not the world we live in unless you never leave the house.

We just had the army reserve shot and killed right near the White House.


I work in a public school system. Not crazy at all. Every school in our system keeps doors locked. Admittance only with a badge or allowed to enter by person at front desk. Cameras everywhere.


Oh Honey, a college campus—especially urban ones with many buildings in the city off campus, fluid borders, 8k+ is not an elementary or high school campus.


+100

I live in Georgetown, walk my dog around campus. My kids attend camps on the college campus. I walk into Dahlgren chapel in the center of campus to pray.

It was the same at Boston college and e dry campus my son visited for sports recruiting, minus Yale which has to stay locked up because of high New Haven crime….but Hopkins we got in many buildings.
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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe Brown had unlocked doors. Even our elementary schools keep doors locked at all times. Also can't believe they haven't identified the shooter yet. Why the secrecy?


It’s a college. Most have unlocked doors.


+100

We went on 20 different campuses on tour and could walk in pretty much anywhere on campuses except student housing.


That's dangerous and absurd.


How old are you?

You are crazy.

And you cannot protect against random whack jobs. I know it makes you feel better to think any random whacko with a gun can be stopped before anything happens. It’s not the world we live in unless you never leave the house.

We just had the army reserve shot and killed right near the White House.


I work in a public school system. Not crazy at all. Every school in our system keeps doors locked. Admittance only with a badge or allowed to enter by person at front desk. Cameras everywhere.

Clearly you do NOT have college-aged children. I am a professor, and it is *impossible* to keep all doors on a college campus locked with entry on an individual basis. At my mid-sized university, you theoretically need an ID to get into buildings, but in the time between the end of class and the start of the next period, you literally have hundreds of students streaming into and exiting buildings within a 15-minute window. How do you enforce students entering one-by-one and not holding the door open for the kids behind them? How long do you think it would take to process hundreds of students to enter into each building multiple times per day? And how many students do you think *forget* their IDs or lose them on a regular basis?
This is NOT an elementary, middle, or even school, with a secured building or small campus. You are talking about dozens of buildings, offices, labs, dorms, dining halls, athletic facilities, libraries, etc.


+ 1000 million

People are clueless or have toddlers and haven’t been on a college campus in decades
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: Second, the cops at least have some training. It's the MAGA bozos who think because they have a gun they are now an action hero who will stop crime who are the problem. For all their guns, they prevent nothing.


Sadly, MAGA bozos probably shoot their guns 100x more than 90% of the police out there. Remember the female officer that thought her gun was her taser?
Anonymous
CNN is reporting that the shooter was in his 30s.

If that's true, I am at a loss to speculate about a motive in this situation.

Someone on this thread said a professor connected to the economics class was Jewish ... but, if that's what you're going to do, in my memory there is a still very serious orthodox Jewish community right up the road only a few miles away, complete with synagogue and Hebrew school.

I don't think they've moved since I was there, even if it was 30 years ago.

I agree with the speculation that the shooter must be white, since they're so far saying nothing about race.

Maybe hate all liberals and smart people or something? Brown is well known to be one of the most liberal Ivies? Last time I checked?

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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe Brown had unlocked doors. Even our elementary schools keep doors locked at all times. Also can't believe they haven't identified the shooter yet. Why the secrecy?


It’s a college. Most have unlocked doors.


+100

We went on 20 different campuses on tour and could walk in pretty much anywhere on campuses except student housing.


That's dangerous and absurd.


How old are you?

You are crazy.

And you cannot protect against random whack jobs. I know it makes you feel better to think any random whacko with a gun can be stopped before anything happens. It’s not the world we live in unless you never leave the house.

We just had the army reserve shot and killed right near the White House.


I work in a public school system. Not crazy at all. Every school in our system keeps doors locked. Admittance only with a badge or allowed to enter by person at front desk. Cameras everywhere.

Clearly you do NOT have college-aged children. I am a professor, and it is *impossible* to keep all doors on a college campus locked with entry on an individual basis. At my mid-sized university, you theoretically need an ID to get into buildings, but in the time between the end of class and the start of the next period, you literally have hundreds of students streaming into and exiting buildings within a 15-minute window. How do you enforce students entering one-by-one and not holding the door open for the kids behind them? How long do you think it would take to process hundreds of students to enter into each building multiple times per day? And how many students do you think *forget* their IDs or lose them on a regular basis?
This is NOT an elementary, middle, or even school, with a secured building or small campus. You are talking about dozens of buildings, offices, labs, dorms, dining halls, athletic facilities, libraries, etc.


+ 1000 million

People are clueless or have toddlers and haven’t been on a college campus in decades


Them accept the consequences of lax security.
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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe Brown had unlocked doors. Even our elementary schools keep doors locked at all times. Also can't believe they haven't identified the shooter yet. Why the secrecy?


It’s a college. Most have unlocked doors.


+100

We went on 20 different campuses on tour and could walk in pretty much anywhere on campuses except student housing.


That's dangerous and absurd.


How old are you?

You are crazy.

And you cannot protect against random whack jobs. I know it makes you feel better to think any random whacko with a gun can be stopped before anything happens. It’s not the world we live in unless you never leave the house.

We just had the army reserve shot and killed right near the White House.


I work in a public school system. Not crazy at all. Every school in our system keeps doors locked. Admittance only with a badge or allowed to enter by person at front desk. Cameras everywhere.

Clearly you do NOT have college-aged children. I am a professor, and it is *impossible* to keep all doors on a college campus locked with entry on an individual basis. At my mid-sized university, you theoretically need an ID to get into buildings, but in the time between the end of class and the start of the next period, you literally have hundreds of students streaming into and exiting buildings within a 15-minute window. How do you enforce students entering one-by-one and not holding the door open for the kids behind them? How long do you think it would take to process hundreds of students to enter into each building multiple times per day? And how many students do you think *forget* their IDs or lose them on a regular basis?
This is NOT an elementary, middle, or even school, with a secured building or small campus. You are talking about dozens of buildings, offices, labs, dorms, dining halls, athletic facilities, libraries, etc.


+ 1000 million

People are clueless or have toddlers and haven’t been on a college campus in decades


Them accept the consequences of lax security.


Then
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Anonymous wrote:Over 150 people in a dark gym for over 12 hours
Talk about trauma.


The UVA students were on lockdown for 12 hours so this isn’t new.


Can you say a little more about why you posted this?


Exactly. Why?


To illustrate that school shootings and long lockdowns are not a one-off in the US, particularly when the shooter doesn't commit suicide or get shot by police.


But they are much much more common. This is stupid.

This is like the anti seatbelt morons back in the day. BUT SOMEONE ONE DIES WHILE WEARINF A SEATBELT, SEE THEM THAR SEATBEKTS DINT WERK!

The backlash to this is going to end up being a repeal on the 2nd because these children in the GOP couldn’t stop with the gun lobby money for 5 seconds.



Which is exactly why I’ve come to accept and somewhat tolerate these shootings, because what I want more than anything is to abolish the second amendment.

At the risk of sounding callous and cruel, I hope these shootings continue on right up until we as a culture decide to eliminate gun owning. Because if shootings become less frequent over time, we will lose a lot of the public sentiment and inertia we’ve built up to banning guns. So as perverse as it sounds, if you’re someone who wants to get rid of guns, you need to embrace these shootings as a necessary evil. The end goal is what’s important. No great movement in history is achieved without pain. The civil rights struggle and LGBTQIA rights struggle are the most recent examples. People died to achieve those victories, and ending gun ownership is no different. Unfortunately more people will need to die to achieve that goal.
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