SecDef shares US war Plan in Group chat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know he's a journalist, but reporting on such an event where he was an actor, albeit a silent one, must be incredibly hard. You have to sift out your own emotions and reactions to tell the story, but I imagine the shock and disbelief was hard to step away from.

Anyway, clown show. It's going to cost so much to fix this mess.

He goes into it a bit on the Atlantic’s podcast about it yesterday. Short and interesting listen. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ticket-politics-from-the-atlantic/id1258635512?i=1000700679000

Whoops hit submit too soon - he first thought it couldn’t possibly be real and instead was a disinfo plant - reminded me of the time that Project Veritas tried to get Post reporters to bite on a totally fake Roy Moore sex scandal, amidst all the real ones, in order to distract from and disqualify the real ones. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As seen on Threads:

People are now referring to Pete Hegseth as “WhiskiLeaks.”

omg

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this gets Hegseth fired! Please. Please. Please. (DoD employee).

If you can say - are things really bad there with him in charge?

Not PP and not DoD but according to DoD friends there are already rampant rumors of him getting wasted in Europe and making embarrassing (but hopefully not dangerous) remarks.

shocker!

do they think he's going to last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know he's a journalist, but reporting on such an event where he was an actor, albeit a silent one, must be incredibly hard. You have to sift out your own emotions and reactions to tell the story, but I imagine the shock and disbelief was hard to step away from.

Anyway, clown show. It's going to cost so much to fix this mess.

I think he toed that line perfectly in the story.

also:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

Consequences from who? Sounds like Republicans in Congress will give them a mild slap on the wrist. Speaker Johnson already said, there's no need to spend time on this issue...they'll do better in the future. As if they were a bunch of high schooler kids who made a dumb error, and not people holding the lives of our military in their hands.

Johnson is young and inexperienced. This is actually a serious problem for national security. The GOP will need to realize the vulnerabilities these people create cannot be tolerated. The GOP is holding the ball when we/our troops suffer a terrorist attack.

BS. Johnson DOES NOT get a pass for being the enabler in chief and now bringing down the hammer and effectively trying to seed Congressional control and oversight. His party was right they need a better Speaker!

[Anonymous]

Witkoff was in Moscow when he was added to the chat - he might have even been in the Kremlin. If they're doing everything on Signal, then Russia has God Knows What info from Witkoff's phone.

[Anonymous]

Awful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone smarter than me explain why Signal, which uses AES-256 encryption protocol, is less secure than government TS systems, which also use AES-256?

Just asking as a non-tech person.

Not a tech person but I am in a Signal group. A few things. When I join Signal, I see all of my phone contacts who also have Signal. So I can message them there.

Even if Signal is secure, your phone isn't. If I were stopped at the airport and customs made me open my phone, they'd see it all.

And within the app, we have people joining and leaving on a regular basis, not necessarily with their real names. So who knows who's in there and what they see? I don't know if that author had his full name listed, or whether he was going by his initials and the group originator thought he was someone else. But it's easy to make mistakes. Like Hegseth could have "thought" he was texting to that group, but mistakenly texted to another Signal group. So he could have shared sensitive information with anyone in his larger circle.

And, again, even though Signal is secure, I can take screen shots of it and share. Even at my government job, where we are nobodies, there is a microsoft application on our phones that prevents us from copying and pasting data from secure government apps, and stops me from screen shotting anything off secure government apps. Signal doesn't have that.

Also, the entire purpose of its use is to operate outside of standard channels to avoid accountability. It’s written right in Mein Kamp…er, Project 2025.

Yes. It's too easy for people who don't obey laws to circumvent. I am in local government, and if I use my personal phone for texting about substantive work matters, my personal phone is subject to MPIA here in Maryland. But people need to know to ask for it. And then they have to hope I don't delete it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope this gets Hegseth fired! Please. Please. Please. (DoD employee).

If you can say - are things really bad there with him in charge?

Not PP and not DoD but according to DoD friends there are already rampant rumors of him getting wasted in Europe and making embarrassing (but hopefully not dangerous) remarks.

shocker!

do they think he's going to last?

Why wouldn't he? As long as he looks handsome on Fox News and speaks with confidence, Trump doesn't care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

Consequences from who? Sounds like Republicans in Congress will give them a mild slap on the wrist. Speaker Johnson already said, there's no need to spend time on this issue...they'll do better in the future. As if they were a bunch of high schooler kids who made a dumb error, and not people holding the lives of our military in their hands.

Johnson is young and inexperienced. This is actually a serious problem for national security. The GOP will need to realize the vulnerabilities these people create cannot be tolerated. The GOP is holding the ball when we/our troops suffer a terrorist attack.

BS. Johnson DOES NOT get a pass for being the enabler in chief and now bringing down the hammer and effectively trying to seed Congressional control and oversight. His party was right they need a better Speaker!

That’s the point. Johnson does not get a pass but his inexperience is a contributing factor to his cluelessness about how serious this is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know he's a journalist, but reporting on such an event where he was an actor, albeit a silent one, must be incredibly hard. You have to sift out your own emotions and reactions to tell the story, but I imagine the shock and disbelief was hard to step away from.

Anyway, clown show. It's going to cost so much to fix this mess.

I think he toed that line perfectly in the story.

also:

Oh please, Elon didn't need to be in the group chat, because he was already at the Pentagon the day before being briefed by Hegseth on what he cares about--the war on China. Yemen isn't important to him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Witkoff was in Moscow when he was added to the chat - he might have even been in the Kremlin. If they're doing everything on Signal, then Russia has God Knows What info from Witkoff's phone.

That’s a huge breach then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the security risk, I'm kind of appalled that these guys are the ones making these decisions. I think I always assumed there were actual military leaders making decisions that would then go up the chain.

“Yo dude, let’s attack.”

“Well we could wait.”

“Nah.”

“It’s not in alignment, but I’ll defer because you guys are rad.”

“💪🏻🔥🇺🇸”

“Duuude!”

Yeah, my teenager read about this, and said it reminded him of his friends playing Fortnite, but that they were playing with people's lives...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone smarter than me explain why Signal, which uses AES-256 encryption protocol, is less secure than government TS systems, which also use AES-256?

Just asking as a non-tech person.

Not a tech person but I am in a Signal group. A few things. When I join Signal, I see all of my phone contacts who also have Signal. So I can message them there.

Even if Signal is secure, your phone isn't. If I were stopped at the airport and customs made me open my phone, they'd see it all.

And within the app, we have people joining and leaving on a regular basis, not necessarily with their real names. So who knows who's in there and what they see? I don't know if that author had his full name listed, or whether he was going by his initials and the group originator thought he was someone else. But it's easy to make mistakes. Like Hegseth could have "thought" he was texting to that group, but mistakenly texted to another Signal group. So he could have shared sensitive information with anyone in his larger circle.

And, again, even though Signal is secure, I can take screen shots of it and share. Even at my government job, where we are nobodies, there is a microsoft application on our phones that prevents us from copying and pasting data from secure government apps, and stops me from screen shotting anything off secure government apps. Signal doesn't have that.

I want to add that all of these discussions are subject to record laws. Using Signal is clearly a way to get around that. How many laws were broken...

It's pretty clear through their casual and cavalier use of Signal that this is just one of MANY conversations that are taking place on the platform.

💯💯 Every deployed military personnel should be sickened to know that their leadership cares so little about their safety. They shouldn’t even be called leadership since it’s beyond clear they are lack and of the necessary qualities. #IncompetencePersonafied

[Anonymous]

Perhaps the most stunning example to date of the fact that Trump and his lackeys are unserious people masquerading as politicians. If this weren't the most powerful country in the world, we'd think it was a joke.