MLSnext 2 and GA moves to school year cutoff from 26-27 season

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Anonymous wrote:General manager of a MLSNext Academy club told me last weekend that they are receiving input about serious options of MLSN1 moving to SY by 26-27.

It would mean a complete rearrangement of rosters at the club, also from local feeder clubs U12 and younger. They are already working on it.

By MLSnext academy club do you mean a MLS P2P club or an MLS academy?

p2p MLSN makes sense. MLS Academy is free, so it does not care about BY or SY from a business perspective, which SY has an edge.

The funding has to come from somewhere, I promise you it isn’t free. I recently talked to someone at a top mls academy and he was saying there were talks of the academy shutting down because of funding. That’s was before the mls next 2 rollout.

Reading the tea leaves, it appears Ecnl checkmated them into sy

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Yes, MLSN2 has been created as a money grabber for parents.

I also think ECNL is going to win this SY war. ECNL has on its SY side all under U12 soccer, most of girls business (GA is the exception), and USCS, USYS, AYSO boys.

I don’t understand what having “rec” aligned with ECNL in SY does for “winning this war.”

ECNL doesn’t have a pro pathway, USL is awful, but maybe that is the pathway in the future?

But until the boys side of ECNL is more competitive, the “war” isn’t even happening. Age cutoffs aligned with rec aren’t the big boost ECNL needs to compete with MLSN that you think it is.

With ECNL boys and P2P MLSN being equivalent and both getting watered down, the war isn't who can get one player a year to an MLSN academy, the war is who can siphon the most cash at the younger ages with the most teams.

Fake elite leagues have gone bankrupt pretty quickly in youth soccer without the big feeders supplying cash.

“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

MLSN and ECNL are not on the same level. MLS Academies are greater than MLSN, and MLSN is greater than ECNL. The focuses of the leagues overlap, but ECNL is a narrow focused league on college placement. Unless and an until it offers a valuable pro pathway, it will never be on par with MLSN.

That doesn’t mean boys ECNL is not a great league, it absolutely is. But its talent pull is narrower than MLSN. Just a fact.

There isn’t a war. ECNL is thrashing to maintain relevance on the boys side. That isn’t a war. MLSN is looking out for MLSN, not trying to compete with ECNL for talent. What is be worried about if I was ECNL is the neglecting of the true competitive advantage, the girls side. ECNL has its eye off the ball.

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Anonymous wrote:MLSnext was against the age change when US Soccer was setting the cutoff for everyone so it was consistent across all governing bodies. It’s no secret that MLSnext didn’t want to move from BY to SY. Now that US Soccer is leaving it up to the governing bodies to determine age cutoff and everyone is now moving from BY to SY, including all u12 and younger leagues, MLSnext is going to be forced to change. The logistical challenges of staying BY on their own have been described repeatedly on here. MLSNext will absolutely make some sort of change. Maybe they will have a 9/1 cutoff. Maybe they will expand biobanding for sept-dec birthdays and be BY in name only. We all have to wait and see what happens, but people hoping for a strict BY cutoff and no changes are going to be disappointed.

I think the announcement and subsequent press release yesterday was indication of what is to come, it will probably be an expansion of the late developer program. I will tell you in a few months b/c my son is Q4 that competes at a high level in his current age group but is probably closer to the younger age group maturity wise, it will be up to the coaches how they want to use him.

What press release?

MLSnext no longer ranking u13 and u14 based on wins/losses and now ranking them based on quality of play.

It’s nice to see a national league even pretend to care about development. Pre ga and pre ecnl have 11 year old girls playing 11v11 on a full sized field to get ready for national playoffs at u13. The play doesn’t remotely resemble anything that looks like soccer.

Fun facts. The quality of play metrics were already used internally in the academies. The reason leagues have stayed away from it is because the quality metrics often underweight the development players and overweight the facilitators creating bad data at the individual level.

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Anonymous wrote:General manager of a MLSNext Academy club told me last weekend that they are receiving input about serious options of MLSN1 moving to SY by 26-27.

It would mean a complete rearrangement of rosters at the club, also from local feeder clubs U12 and younger. They are already working on it.

By MLSnext academy club do you mean a MLS P2P club or an MLS academy?

p2p MLSN makes sense. MLS Academy is free, so it does not care about BY or SY from a business perspective, which SY has an edge.

The funding has to come from somewhere, I promise you it isn’t free. I recently talked to someone at a top mls academy and he was saying there were talks of the academy shutting down because of funding. That’s was before the mls next 2 rollout.

Reading the tea leaves, it appears Ecnl checkmated them into sy

.

Yes, MLSN2 has been created as a money grabber for parents.

I also think ECNL is going to win this SY war. ECNL has on its SY side all under U12 soccer, most of girls business (GA is the exception), and USCS, USYS, AYSO boys.

I don’t understand what having “rec” aligned with ECNL in SY does for “winning this war.”

ECNL doesn’t have a pro pathway, USL is awful, but maybe that is the pathway in the future?

But until the boys side of ECNL is more competitive, the “war” isn’t even happening. Age cutoffs aligned with rec aren’t the big boost ECNL needs to compete with MLSN that you think it is.

With ECNL boys and P2P MLSN being equivalent and both getting watered down, the war isn't who can get one player a year to an MLSN academy, the war is who can siphon the most cash at the younger ages with the most teams.

Fake elite leagues have gone bankrupt pretty quickly in youth soccer without the big feeders supplying cash.

“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

MLSN and ECNL are not on the same level. MLS Academies are greater than MLSN, and MLSN is greater than ECNL. The focuses of the leagues overlap, but ECNL is a narrow focused league on college placement. Unless and an until it offers a valuable pro pathway, it will never be on par with MLSN.

That doesn’t mean boys ECNL is not a great league, it absolutely is. But its talent pull is narrower than MLSN. Just a fact.

There isn’t a war. ECNL is thrashing to maintain relevance on the boys side. That isn’t a war. MLSN is looking out for MLSN, not trying to compete with ECNL for talent. What is be worried about if I was ECNL is the neglecting of the true competitive advantage, the girls side. ECNL has its eye off the ball.

Your taking your eye off the ball if you are fixated on thinking talent wins the war when of course money wins the war.

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Anonymous wrote:General manager of a MLSNext Academy club told me last weekend that they are receiving input about serious options of MLSN1 moving to SY by 26-27.

It would mean a complete rearrangement of rosters at the club, also from local feeder clubs U12 and younger. They are already working on it.

By MLSnext academy club do you mean a MLS P2P club or an MLS academy?

p2p MLSN makes sense. MLS Academy is free, so it does not care about BY or SY from a business perspective, which SY has an edge.

The funding has to come from somewhere, I promise you it isn’t free. I recently talked to someone at a top mls academy and he was saying there were talks of the academy shutting down because of funding. That’s was before the mls next 2 rollout.

Reading the tea leaves, it appears Ecnl checkmated them into sy

.

Yes, MLSN2 has been created as a money grabber for parents.

I also think ECNL is going to win this SY war. ECNL has on its SY side all under U12 soccer, most of girls business (GA is the exception), and USCS, USYS, AYSO boys.

I don’t understand what having “rec” aligned with ECNL in SY does for “winning this war.”

ECNL doesn’t have a pro pathway, USL is awful, but maybe that is the pathway in the future?

But until the boys side of ECNL is more competitive, the “war” isn’t even happening. Age cutoffs aligned with rec aren’t the big boost ECNL needs to compete with MLSN that you think it is.

With ECNL boys and P2P MLSN being equivalent and both getting watered down, the war isn't who can get one player a year to an MLSN academy, the war is who can siphon the most cash at the younger ages with the most teams.

Fake elite leagues have gone bankrupt pretty quickly in youth soccer without the big feeders supplying cash.

“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

MLSN and ECNL are not on the same level. MLS Academies are greater than MLSN, and MLSN is greater than ECNL. The focuses of the leagues overlap, but ECNL is a narrow focused league on college placement. Unless and an until it offers a valuable pro pathway, it will never be on par with MLSN.

That doesn’t mean boys ECNL is not a great league, it absolutely is. But its talent pull is narrower than MLSN. Just a fact.

There isn’t a war. ECNL is thrashing to maintain relevance on the boys side. That isn’t a war. MLSN is looking out for MLSN, not trying to compete with ECNL for talent. What is be worried about if I was ECNL is the neglecting of the true competitive advantage, the girls side. ECNL has its eye off the ball.

Your taking your eye off the ball if you are fixated on thinking talent wins the war when of course money wins the war.

Or…it’s not a war. I’m pretty sure MLS has deeper pockets than ECNL. And absolutely MLS has the ability get remuneration after 18 for its youth players. You’re an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:General manager of a MLSNext Academy club told me last weekend that they are receiving input about serious options of MLSN1 moving to SY by 26-27.

It would mean a complete rearrangement of rosters at the club, also from local feeder clubs U12 and younger. They are already working on it.

By MLSnext academy club do you mean a MLS P2P club or an MLS academy?

p2p MLSN makes sense. MLS Academy is free, so it does not care about BY or SY from a business perspective, which SY has an edge.

The funding has to come from somewhere, I promise you it isn’t free. I recently talked to someone at a top mls academy and he was saying there were talks of the academy shutting down because of funding. That’s was before the mls next 2 rollout.

Reading the tea leaves, it appears Ecnl checkmated them into sy

.

Yes, MLSN2 has been created as a money grabber for parents.

I also think ECNL is going to win this SY war. ECNL has on its SY side all under U12 soccer, most of girls business (GA is the exception), and USCS, USYS, AYSO boys.

I don’t understand what having “rec” aligned with ECNL in SY does for “winning this war.”

ECNL doesn’t have a pro pathway, USL is awful, but maybe that is the pathway in the future?

But until the boys side of ECNL is more competitive, the “war” isn’t even happening. Age cutoffs aligned with rec aren’t the big boost ECNL needs to compete with MLSN that you think it is.

With ECNL boys and P2P MLSN being equivalent and both getting watered down, the war isn't who can get one player a year to an MLSN academy, the war is who can siphon the most cash at the younger ages with the most teams.

Fake elite leagues have gone bankrupt pretty quickly in youth soccer without the big feeders supplying cash.

“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

MLSN and ECNL are not on the same level. MLS Academies are greater than MLSN, and MLSN is greater than ECNL. The focuses of the leagues overlap, but ECNL is a narrow focused league on college placement. Unless and an until it offers a valuable pro pathway, it will never be on par with MLSN.

That doesn’t mean boys ECNL is not a great league, it absolutely is. But its talent pull is narrower than MLSN. Just a fact.

There isn’t a war. ECNL is thrashing to maintain relevance on the boys side. That isn’t a war. MLSN is looking out for MLSN, not trying to compete with ECNL for talent. What is be worried about if I was ECNL is the neglecting of the true competitive advantage, the girls side. ECNL has its eye off the ball.

Your taking your eye off the ball if you are fixated on thinking talent wins the war when of course money wins the war.

Or…it’s not a war. I’m pretty sure MLS has deeper pockets than ECNL. And absolutely MLS has the ability get remuneration after 18 for its youth players. You’re an idiot.

MLS is trying to make money off of MLSN P2P not subsidize it. If it is losing money like DA for too long then they cut MLSN all together and then ECNL or the next acronym wins. If you really think MLSN selling a handful of players comes close to covering costs, you are misunderstanding the business side.

Business is war.

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Anonymous wrote:General manager of a MLSNext Academy club told me last weekend that they are receiving input about serious options of MLSN1 moving to SY by 26-27.

It would mean a complete rearrangement of rosters at the club, also from local feeder clubs U12 and younger. They are already working on it.

By MLSnext academy club do you mean a MLS P2P club or an MLS academy?

p2p MLSN makes sense. MLS Academy is free, so it does not care about BY or SY from a business perspective, which SY has an edge.

The funding has to come from somewhere, I promise you it isn’t free. I recently talked to someone at a top mls academy and he was saying there were talks of the academy shutting down because of funding. That’s was before the mls next 2 rollout.

Reading the tea leaves, it appears Ecnl checkmated them into sy

.

Yes, MLSN2 has been created as a money grabber for parents.

I also think ECNL is going to win this SY war. ECNL has on its SY side all under U12 soccer, most of girls business (GA is the exception), and USCS, USYS, AYSO boys.

I don’t understand what having “rec” aligned with ECNL in SY does for “winning this war.”

ECNL doesn’t have a pro pathway, USL is awful, but maybe that is the pathway in the future?

But until the boys side of ECNL is more competitive, the “war” isn’t even happening. Age cutoffs aligned with rec aren’t the big boost ECNL needs to compete with MLSN that you think it is.

With ECNL boys and P2P MLSN being equivalent and both getting watered down, the war isn't who can get one player a year to an MLSN academy, the war is who can siphon the most cash at the younger ages with the most teams.

Fake elite leagues have gone bankrupt pretty quickly in youth soccer without the big feeders supplying cash.

“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

MLSN and ECNL are not on the same level. MLS Academies are greater than MLSN, and MLSN is greater than ECNL. The focuses of the leagues overlap, but ECNL is a narrow focused league on college placement. Unless and an until it offers a valuable pro pathway, it will never be on par with MLSN.

That doesn’t mean boys ECNL is not a great league, it absolutely is. But its talent pull is narrower than MLSN. Just a fact.

There isn’t a war. ECNL is thrashing to maintain relevance on the boys side. That isn’t a war. MLSN is looking out for MLSN, not trying to compete with ECNL for talent. What is be worried about if I was ECNL is the neglecting of the true competitive advantage, the girls side. ECNL has its eye off the ball.

Your taking your eye off the ball if you are fixated on thinking talent wins the war when of course money wins the war.

Or…it’s not a war. I’m pretty sure MLS has deeper pockets than ECNL. And absolutely MLS has the ability get remuneration after 18 for its youth players. You’re an idiot.

MLS is trying to make money off of MLSN P2P not subsidize it. If it is losing money like DA for too long then they cut MLSN all together and then ECNL or the next acronym wins. If you really think MLSN selling a handful of players comes close to covering costs, you are misunderstanding the business side.

Business is war.

Business is business. Get out of the 80s Sun Tzu. MLSN is not DA. And selling a handful of players IS the business for the Academies, how else do you think they make money?

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Anonymous wrote:General manager of a MLSNext Academy club told me last weekend that they are receiving input about serious options of MLSN1 moving to SY by 26-27.

It would mean a complete rearrangement of rosters at the club, also from local feeder clubs U12 and younger. They are already working on it.

By MLSnext academy club do you mean a MLS P2P club or an MLS academy?

p2p MLSN makes sense. MLS Academy is free, so it does not care about BY or SY from a business perspective, which SY has an edge.

The funding has to come from somewhere, I promise you it isn’t free. I recently talked to someone at a top mls academy and he was saying there were talks of the academy shutting down because of funding. That’s was before the mls next 2 rollout.

Reading the tea leaves, it appears Ecnl checkmated them into sy

.

Yes, MLSN2 has been created as a money grabber for parents.

I also think ECNL is going to win this SY war. ECNL has on its SY side all under U12 soccer, most of girls business (GA is the exception), and USCS, USYS, AYSO boys.

I don’t understand what having “rec” aligned with ECNL in SY does for “winning this war.”

ECNL doesn’t have a pro pathway, USL is awful, but maybe that is the pathway in the future?

But until the boys side of ECNL is more competitive, the “war” isn’t even happening. Age cutoffs aligned with rec aren’t the big boost ECNL needs to compete with MLSN that you think it is.

With ECNL boys and P2P MLSN being equivalent and both getting watered down, the war isn't who can get one player a year to an MLSN academy, the war is who can siphon the most cash at the younger ages with the most teams.

Fake elite leagues have gone bankrupt pretty quickly in youth soccer without the big feeders supplying cash.

“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

MLSN and ECNL are not on the same level. MLS Academies are greater than MLSN, and MLSN is greater than ECNL. The focuses of the leagues overlap, but ECNL is a narrow focused league on college placement. Unless and an until it offers a valuable pro pathway, it will never be on par with MLSN.

That doesn’t mean boys ECNL is not a great league, it absolutely is. But its talent pull is narrower than MLSN. Just a fact.

There isn’t a war. ECNL is thrashing to maintain relevance on the boys side. That isn’t a war. MLSN is looking out for MLSN, not trying to compete with ECNL for talent. What is be worried about if I was ECNL is the neglecting of the true competitive advantage, the girls side. ECNL has its eye off the ball.

Your taking your eye off the ball if you are fixated on thinking talent wins the war when of course money wins the war.

Or…it’s not a war. I’m pretty sure MLS has deeper pockets than ECNL. And absolutely MLS has the ability get remuneration after 18 for its youth players. You’re an idiot.

MLS is trying to make money off of MLSN P2P not subsidize it. If it is losing money like DA for too long then they cut MLSN all together and then ECNL or the next acronym wins. If you really think MLSN selling a handful of players comes close to covering costs, you are misunderstanding the business side.

Business is war.

Business is business. Get out of the 80s Sun Tzu. MLSN is not DA. And selling a handful of players IS the business for the Academies, how else do you think they make money?

With costs being greater than meager revenues of player sales, they don't make money, that's the unfortunate reality they are trying to address by expanding the P2P side with MLSN2 and NAL and extract funds from being in charge of a larger domain.

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Anonymous wrote:General manager of a MLSNext Academy club told me last weekend that they are receiving input about serious options of MLSN1 moving to SY by 26-27.

It would mean a complete rearrangement of rosters at the club, also from local feeder clubs U12 and younger. They are already working on it.

By MLSnext academy club do you mean a MLS P2P club or an MLS academy?

p2p MLSN makes sense. MLS Academy is free, so it does not care about BY or SY from a business perspective, which SY has an edge.

The funding has to come from somewhere, I promise you it isn’t free. I recently talked to someone at a top mls academy and he was saying there were talks of the academy shutting down because of funding. That’s was before the mls next 2 rollout.

Reading the tea leaves, it appears Ecnl checkmated them into sy

.

Yes, MLSN2 has been created as a money grabber for parents.

I also think ECNL is going to win this SY war. ECNL has on its SY side all under U12 soccer, most of girls business (GA is the exception), and USCS, USYS, AYSO boys.

I don’t understand what having “rec” aligned with ECNL in SY does for “winning this war.”

ECNL doesn’t have a pro pathway, USL is awful, but maybe that is the pathway in the future?

But until the boys side of ECNL is more competitive, the “war” isn’t even happening. Age cutoffs aligned with rec aren’t the big boost ECNL needs to compete with MLSN that you think it is.

With ECNL boys and P2P MLSN being equivalent and both getting watered down, the war isn't who can get one player a year to an MLSN academy, the war is who can siphon the most cash at the younger ages with the most teams.

Fake elite leagues have gone bankrupt pretty quickly in youth soccer without the big feeders supplying cash.

“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

MLSN and ECNL are not on the same level. MLS Academies are greater than MLSN, and MLSN is greater than ECNL. The focuses of the leagues overlap, but ECNL is a narrow focused league on college placement. Unless and an until it offers a valuable pro pathway, it will never be on par with MLSN.

That doesn’t mean boys ECNL is not a great league, it absolutely is. But its talent pull is narrower than MLSN. Just a fact.

There isn’t a war. ECNL is thrashing to maintain relevance on the boys side. That isn’t a war. MLSN is looking out for MLSN, not trying to compete with ECNL for talent. What is be worried about if I was ECNL is the neglecting of the true competitive advantage, the girls side. ECNL has its eye off the ball.

Your taking your eye off the ball if you are fixated on thinking talent wins the war when of course money wins the war.

Or…it’s not a war. I’m pretty sure MLS has deeper pockets than ECNL. And absolutely MLS has the ability get remuneration after 18 for its youth players. You’re an idiot.

MLS is trying to make money off of MLSN P2P not subsidize it. If it is losing money like DA for too long then they cut MLSN all together and then ECNL or the next acronym wins. If you really think MLSN selling a handful of players comes close to covering costs, you are misunderstanding the business side.

Business is war.

Business is business. Get out of the 80s Sun Tzu. MLSN is not DA. And selling a handful of players IS the business for the Academies, how else do you think they make money?

With costs being greater than meager revenues of player sales, they don't make money, that's the unfortunate reality they are trying to address by expanding the P2P side with MLSN2 and NAL and extract funds from being in charge of a larger domain.

I think they would like to sell players but apparently, they haven't been great at scouting potential international players, hence the new quality of play metrics. Taking money from wishful parents is an added bonus.

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Us soccer doesn’t advance the right kids. Look at the level of BS around the Reyna’s and then multiply by 10000x.

Coaches get paid the push the wrong kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Us soccer doesn’t advance the right kids. Look at the level of BS around the Reyna’s and then multiply by 10000x.

Coaches get paid the push the wrong kids.

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“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

Found the guy who pays 10k so he can tell people his son plays MLS.

How else do you distinguish between MLSN clubs that do not charge players and MLSN clubs that do charge players, without using the word "Academy" (it so overused now it has no meaning - it is literally bad).

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Why did this thread die?

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Anonymous wrote:Why did this thread die?

ECNL cult parents met MLSN cult parents.

Girls ECNL parents are starting to learn how things work in the real world outside of their artificial bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why did this thread die?

BY people couldn't come up with a compelling reason as to why anyone should stay BY.

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“P2P MLSN” is such a dumb term. It’s an attempt to both jealous trash MLSN, and sound smart. But it just a dumb transparent jab.

Found the guy who pays 10k so he can tell people his son plays MLS.

How else do you distinguish between MLSN clubs that do not charge players and MLSN clubs that do charge players, without using the word "Academy" (it so overused now it has no meaning - it is literally bad).

Some of us dont need schlorships. We stack cash.