Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:The reasons to go to college in the north are barely detectable. Imagine going to Tufts or SUNY-Buffalo for four years and then someone tells you, "Oh, you didn't know? You could have done the same thing, but in the sun surrounded by beautiful people."

I hope you’re joking. Can you imagine a student accepted at MIT and they say, no, I care more about the sun, I’ll go to a Southern state school full of students who went to Southern public schools.

People accepted to MIT or Yale or Harvard are not choosing mediocre Southern state universities. They can always find a few random people to interview but top schools are the top choices.

Anyone thinking of a public Southern college do some research on what their local government is doing, how involved they are in banning things and requiring “moral value” classes or some garbage. Start with Desantis.

You can keep your Harvard, Columbia, etc, along with your condescension for southern schools. My mom graduated from Columbia, and it has changed for the worse.

It really hasn’t

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Anonymous wrote:I made a Venn diagram of 1. Colleges where Jews feel safe, 2. Colleges in places where women have access to abortion, and 3. Colleges in places with acceptable gun control laws. And the only college left was Brandeis

Ridiculous. Jewish kids are going everywhere everyone else is going based on their interests and strengths. Look at Brookline and Newton MA where 30% of the population is Jewish. The graduating class matriculation lists in Brookline and Newton are varied. A lot of Massachusetts and New York colleges which are places that are safe, strict gun control, and abortion is legal.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

It could be, but those same kids won't live there. Go to their cheap colleges, and then return north for the high paying jobs and non-insane people. That's what I did. NYer who went south for College - UF. Then left and went North for my MBA - UPenn. Now in the Mid-Atlantic but itching to get back up north. Marriage and what not trapped me here. My two oldest are at Harvard but my youngest is looking south. She won't stay. It's not in our blood.

University of Florida, all of the public colleges in Florida, will have a massive drop in reputation thanks to Desantis running the schools unofficially. The MAGAs will be in Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. Not a great learning environment.

Florida schools are hotter than ever and not at all dropping anytime soon

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There are plenty of protests taking place at "southern" schools and even more northern schools that haven't had major student protests related to the war. My DC goes to a Northeastern SLAC and life has gone on completely normally there. No tents, no protests, no drama.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

It could be, but those same kids won't live there. Go to their cheap colleges, and then return north for the high paying jobs and non-insane people. That's what I did. NYer who went south for College - UF. Then left and went North for my MBA - UPenn. Now in the Mid-Atlantic but itching to get back up north. Marriage and what not trapped me here. My two oldest are at Harvard but my youngest is looking south. She won't stay. It's not in our blood.

University of Florida, all of the public colleges in Florida, will have a massive drop in reputation thanks to Desantis running the schools unofficially. The MAGAs will be in Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. Not a great learning environment.

Florida schools are hotter than ever and not at all dropping anytime soon

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It's funny, the same poster keeps popping up to insist Florida schools will decline due to DeSantis... and yet, we see the exact opposite happening. It must really infuriate that poster!

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Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of protests taking place at "southern" schools and even more northern schools that haven't had major student protests related to the war. My DC goes to a Northeastern SLAC and life has gone on completely normally there. No tents, no protests, no drama.

It’s the large universities. Boston had Harvard, Emerson, Tufts, Northeastern and BU clogging the streets.

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Anonymous wrote:What will southern medical students learn vs. the north?

Same stuff AND south has dozens of medical schools with 90% seats reserved for local residents so pre-med heaven.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

It could be, but those same kids won't live there. Go to their cheap colleges, and then return north for the high paying jobs and non-insane people. That's what I did. NYer who went south for College - UF. Then left and went North for my MBA - UPenn. Now in the Mid-Atlantic but itching to get back up north. Marriage and what not trapped me here. My two oldest are at Harvard but my youngest is looking south. She won't stay. It's not in our blood.

University of Florida, all of the public colleges in Florida, will have a massive drop in reputation thanks to Desantis running the schools unofficially. The MAGAs will be in Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. Not a great learning environment.

Florida schools are hotter than ever and not at all dropping anytime soon

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It's funny, the same poster keeps popping up to insist Florida schools will decline due to DeSantis... and yet, we see the exact opposite happening. It must really infuriate that poster!

I posted one about how trashy Florida is but more than one discussed DeSantis and how the better professors are leaving and DeSantis is politicizing the public universities steering them to a hard right. Other people think some of the schools are doing great and they're probably not wrong. It’s called opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

It could be, but those same kids won't live there. Go to their cheap colleges, and then return north for the high paying jobs and non-insane people. That's what I did. NYer who went south for College - UF. Then left and went North for my MBA - UPenn. Now in the Mid-Atlantic but itching to get back up north. Marriage and what not trapped me here. My two oldest are at Harvard but my youngest is looking south. She won't stay. It's not in our blood.

University of Florida, all of the public colleges in Florida, will have a massive drop in reputation thanks to Desantis running the schools unofficially. The MAGAs will be in Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. Not a great learning environment.

Florida schools are hotter than ever and not at all dropping anytime soon

+1
It's funny, the same poster keeps popping up to insist Florida schools will decline due to DeSantis... and yet, we see the exact opposite happening. It must really infuriate that poster!

I posted one about how trashy Florida is but more than one discussed DeSantis and how the better professors are leaving and DeSantis is politicizing the public universities steering them to a hard right. Other people think some of the schools are doing great and they're probably not wrong. It’s called opinion.

Many people feel that higher education is already politicized, and view DeSantis's policies as a correction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They also know how to keep a campus safe and secure in the south.

Many of the schools with the highest number of violent crimes against students per 1000 population are in the south, such as Auburn.

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Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of protests taking place at "southern" schools and even more northern schools that haven't had major student protests related to the war. My DC goes to a Northeastern SLAC and life has gone on completely normally there. No tents, no protests, no drama.

I’m not sure why people think this matters? Aside from the MAGA crowd in congress making utterly unfounded claims about “violent” pro-Palestine protests (and being embarrassing contradicted by NYPD and others) , these protests don’t really impact much for those who chose not to participate. And of course, contrary to the propaganda, a huge percentage of those who do participate are Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Other than south florida, where are these mythical southern Jewish people living? I grew up in a major city in the Deep South and had extended family I visited regularly in 2 other major southern cities. I didn’t meet a single Jewish person until I went to college in Chicago.

Florida, Atlanta, Austin,

Houston, Dallas, Miami, NOLA. I went to school with lots of Jewish kids in Houston.

Besides Miami all of those cities you listed have only 1-2% of the population that is Jewish.

And what's wrong with that? Isn't that on par with the total percent of population of the US?

Plus, you're fudging the numbers. See - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

Largest Jewish metro areas are NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, DC, Philly, ATL, Miami, PHX.

No, I wasn’t fudging numbers. I got my numbers from Wikipedia. And my point is just that the south is not home to nearly as many Jewish people as the north. And that it’s absurd for people to view the south as more welcoming to Jewish people than the north simply because there haven’t been recent incidences of antisemitism in the south. My further point is that it’s unlikely to find as much antisemitism in a place like the south where not nearly as many Jewish people as it is in the north, where many more Jewish people live now and many more have historically lived.

Well, not entirely historically. The first two Jewish Senators (*) left the US Government in 1861 because they joined the Confederacy; one became the Secretary of the Navy, the other Secretary of War, and then Secretary of State. This is partially why Tulane ("Jewlane") is 44% Jewish.

(*) David Levy Yulee started Jewish but converted to Christianity; Judah P. Benjamin was Jewish throughout his life.

jews have a long history in the south. on a per capita basis, it was more common for jews in the south to own slaves than gentile whites

40% of jews nationwide owned slaves in the antebellum period

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The gap between the looks of students in the south and west has gotten way too large vs the northeast/midwest

the big state schools up north, midatlantic, or midwest used to keep more of their attractive b+ students but now it feels they are ALL going south or west.

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Anonymous wrote:The gap between the looks of students in the south and west has gotten way too large vs the northeast/midwest

the big state schools up north, midatlantic, or midwest used to keep more of their attractive b+ students but now it feels they are ALL going south or west.

As my child so gently put it last night after looking at the commitments at the local high school, “basic”

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Other than south florida, where are these mythical southern Jewish people living? I grew up in a major city in the Deep South and had extended family I visited regularly in 2 other major southern cities. I didn’t meet a single Jewish person until I went to college in Chicago.

Florida, Atlanta, Austin,

Houston, Dallas, Miami, NOLA. I went to school with lots of Jewish kids in Houston.

Besides Miami all of those cities you listed have only 1-2% of the population that is Jewish.

And what's wrong with that? Isn't that on par with the total percent of population of the US?

Plus, you're fudging the numbers. See - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

Largest Jewish metro areas are NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, DC, Philly, ATL, Miami, PHX.

No, I wasn’t fudging numbers. I got my numbers from Wikipedia. And my point is just that the south is not home to nearly as many Jewish people as the north. And that it’s absurd for people to view the south as more welcoming to Jewish people than the north simply because there haven’t been recent incidences of antisemitism in the south. My further point is that it’s unlikely to find as much antisemitism in a place like the south where not nearly as many Jewish people as it is in the north, where many more Jewish people live now and many more have historically lived.

Well, not entirely historically. The first two Jewish Senators (*) left the US Government in 1861 because they joined the Confederacy; one became the Secretary of the Navy, the other Secretary of War, and then Secretary of State. This is partially why Tulane ("Jewlane") is 44% Jewish.

(*) David Levy Yulee started Jewish but converted to Christianity; Judah P. Benjamin was Jewish throughout his life.

jews have a long history in the south. on a per capita basis, it was more common for jews in the south to own slaves than gentile whites

40% of jews nationwide owned slaves in the antebellum period

This is true and still doesn’t refute the fact that way more Jewish people live in the north than the south.