Princeton has 8 suicides in 3 years

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell just had another suicide. That school is HARD, and the weather often makes it bleak!

Is it the social atmosphere or academics? What makes it so difficult?

It’s the type of student they admit imo (anxious, striver)

Exactly. 42% (544/1284) major in Engineering, Computer Science, or Econ.

Add biological sciences (for the gunner, pre-med types) and we are well over half the class. Cite: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=princeton&s=all&id=186131#programs

Princeton has built its bed; now it has to lie in it. Hope its donors are happy...

Over half of undergrads at Yale now major in STEM.

Many STEM majors were not included in the above Princeton data.

But you want to compare all STEM majors between the two schools, go do it with this link and then get back to us:
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=yale&s=all&id=130794

In fact, you should have done that before posting; it would have saved us the trouble of reading your misleading post.

I didn’t say Yale has MORE stem majors than Princeton as a percentage of the class. More than half of Yale students major in STEM. Heard this straight from the director of undergraduate admissions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Suicides are at all schools. but more common at "top" schools.. I am guessing the reason is obvious. So sad nonetheless

This.

It's hyper competitive parents who erode their child confidence through years of emotional abuse. They are "good enough" when they achieve certain benchmarks. Mostly Asians - ask me how I know.

That is not what the data shows.

Asians have the lowest age adjusted suicide rate of any group.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a4.htm#T1_down

Asians also have among the lowest suicide rates for college students:
https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/suicide-in-colleges-rates-research-statistics/#by-race

The rate of suicide among college students generally is lower than it is among the general population.

at least 2 of the Princeton ones were Asian. just fyi. probably more. I just knew of 2.

So what? Princeton has 30% Asian.
Someoe provides real data above.

The reason could be many underqualified kids got in via URM or ALDC. Mostly Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc.

[Anonymous]

Someone’s stupid argument was Asians have low suicide rates….
Draw your own inference.

Read the school paper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suicides are at all schools. but more common at "top" schools.. I am guessing the reason is obvious. So sad nonetheless

This.

It's hyper competitive parents who erode their child confidence through years of emotional abuse. They are "good enough" when they achieve certain benchmarks. Mostly Asians - ask me how I know.

That is not what the data shows.

Asians have the lowest age adjusted suicide rate of any group.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a4.htm#T1_down

Asians also have among the lowest suicide rates for college students:
https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/suicide-in-colleges-rates-research-statistics/#by-race

The rate of suicide among college students generally is lower than it is among the general population.

at least 2 of the Princeton ones were Asian. just fyi. probably more. I just knew of 2.

So what? Princeton has 30% Asian.
Someoe provides real data above.

The reason could be many underqualified kids got in via URM or ALDC. Mostly Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc.

Asian Americans have a relatively high depression rate but it is not something they talk about as a culture. Women will go to the internist's office with aches and pains and call their depression suffering. Not that different than a lot of non-Asian woman. But the pressure put on them as a culture can lead to depression because they don’t like what their parents have planned out for their whole life.

I have an Asian friend who went to MIT and works as an engineer. So does her Asian husband. Her parents insisted on STEM and an Asian husband. She is unhappy and hates her job. She ended up in a psychiatric hospital after trying to commit suicide.

Regardless of culture or background some kids don’t belong at high pressure schools. They qualify academically but their personality type doesn’t match the vibe of the school. Parents will sometimes know this and push anyway because they can make money . Also so parents can brag. If parents listened carefully to their kids and worked with them on finding the perfect college for them and not just the most prestigious there would be fewer mental health crises.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suicides are at all schools. but more common at "top" schools.. I am guessing the reason is obvious. So sad nonetheless

This.

It's hyper competitive parents who erode their child confidence through years of emotional abuse. They are "good enough" when they achieve certain benchmarks. Mostly Asians - ask me how I know.

That is not what the data shows.

Asians have the lowest age adjusted suicide rate of any group.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a4.htm#T1_down

Asians also have among the lowest suicide rates for college students:
https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/suicide-in-colleges-rates-research-statistics/#by-race

The rate of suicide among college students generally is lower than it is among the general population.

at least 2 of the Princeton ones were Asian. just fyi. probably more. I just knew of 2.

So what? Princeton has 30% Asian.
Someoe provides real data above.

The reason could be many underqualified kids got in via URM or ALDC. Mostly Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc.

Asian Americans have a relatively high depression rate but it is not something they talk about as a culture. Women will go to the internist's office with aches and pains and call their depression suffering. Not that different than a lot of non-Asian woman. But the pressure put on them as a culture can lead to depression because they don’t like what their parents have planned out for their whole life.

I have an Asian friend who went to MIT and works as an engineer. So does her Asian husband. Her parents insisted on STEM and an Asian husband. She is unhappy and hates her job. She ended up in a psychiatric hospital after trying to commit suicide.

Regardless of culture or background some kids don’t belong at high pressure schools. They qualify academically but their personality type doesn’t match the vibe of the school. Parents will sometimes know this and push anyway because they can make money . Also so parents can brag. If parents listened carefully to their kids and worked with them on finding the perfect college for them and not just the most prestigious there would be fewer mental health crises.

You missed the actual data.
The data says you are wrong.

Suicide attemp data is beyond anything you suggested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cornell just had another suicide. That school is HARD, and the weather often makes it bleak!

Is it the social atmosphere or academics? What makes it so difficult?

It’s the type of student they admit imo (anxious, striver)

Exactly. 42% (544/1284) major in Engineering, Computer Science, or Econ.

Add biological sciences (for the gunner, pre-med types) and we are well over half the class. Cite: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=princeton&s=all&id=186131#programs

Princeton has built its bed; now it has to lie in it. Hope its donors are happy...

Over half of undergrads at Yale now major in STEM.

Many STEM majors were not included in the above Princeton data.

But you want to compare all STEM majors between the two schools, go do it with this link and then get back to us:
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=yale&s=all&id=130794

In fact, you should have done that before posting; it would have saved us the trouble of reading your misleading post.

I didn’t say Yale has MORE stem majors than Princeton as a percentage of the class. More than half of Yale students major in STEM. Heard this straight from the director of undergraduate admissions.

Why are you sharing this, then? How is it relevant to the thread? Anyhow, you can confirm this Yale rep's statement with actual government data at the link above, which demonstrates that the majority of first majors at Yale are not, in fact, STEM majors. As a general rule, government data should always be looked at first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suicides are at all schools. but more common at "top" schools.. I am guessing the reason is obvious. So sad nonetheless

This.

It's hyper competitive parents who erode their child confidence through years of emotional abuse. They are "good enough" when they achieve certain benchmarks. Mostly Asians - ask me how I know.

That is not what the data shows.

Asians have the lowest age adjusted suicide rate of any group.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a4.htm#T1_down

Asians also have among the lowest suicide rates for college students:
https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/suicide-in-colleges-rates-research-statistics/#by-race

The rate of suicide among college students generally is lower than it is among the general population.

at least 2 of the Princeton ones were Asian. just fyi. probably more. I just knew of 2.

So what? Princeton has 30% Asian.
Someoe provides real data above.

The reason could be many underqualified kids got in via URM or ALDC. Mostly Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc.

Asian Americans have a relatively high depression rate but it is not something they talk about as a culture. Women will go to the internist's office with aches and pains and call their depression suffering. Not that different than a lot of non-Asian woman. But the pressure put on them as a culture can lead to depression because they don’t like what their parents have planned out for their whole life.

I have an Asian friend who went to MIT and works as an engineer. So does her Asian husband. Her parents insisted on STEM and an Asian husband. She is unhappy and hates her job. She ended up in a psychiatric hospital after trying to commit suicide.

Regardless of culture or background some kids don’t belong at high pressure schools. They qualify academically but their personality type doesn’t match the vibe of the school. Parents will sometimes know this and push anyway because they can make money . Also so parents can brag. If parents listened carefully to their kids and worked with them on finding the perfect college for them and not just the most prestigious there would be fewer mental health crises.

Some willfully put unbelievable pressure on their children, just for bragging rights. When the kids can't live up to that standard, of course they get depressed and anxious. It's awful parenting.

[Anonymous]

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/04/princeton-tragic-loss-suicide-history

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cornell just had another suicide. That school is HARD, and the weather often makes it bleak!

Cannot be harder than Caltech and Harvey Mudd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell just had another suicide. That school is HARD, and the weather often makes it bleak!

Hopefully not a kid whose parent freaked out because he got one C+.

[Anonymous]

What is an eating club? Sorry, I am not familiar with Princeton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/04/princeton-tragic-loss-suicide-history

Majority of that list is Asian from the last name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/04/princeton-tragic-loss-suicide-history

Majority of that list is Asian from the last name.

Princeton is an outlier.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/suicide-in-colleges-rates-research-statistics/#by-race

"Pacific Islander, Native American, and Black students have reported far higher rates of attempted suicide than students of other races.

3.3% of Pacific Islander students in the Healthy Minds surveys from 2007-2021 reported having attempted suicide in the year prior to the survey — that’s almost three times the national rate of 1.2%.
2.5% of Native American students reported having attempted suicide — more than twice the national rate.
1.8% of Black college students reported having attempted suicide."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/04/princeton-tragic-loss-suicide-history

Majority of that list is Asian from the last name.

Princeton’s is an outlier.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/suicide-in-colleges-rates-research-statistics/#by-race

"Pacific Islander, Native American, and Black students have reported far higher rates of attempted suicide than students of other races.

3.3% of Pacific Islander students in the Healthy Minds surveys from 2007-2021 reported having attempted suicide in the year prior to the survey — that’s almost three times the national rate of 1.2%.
2.5% of Native American students reported having attempted suicide — more than twice the national rate.
1.8% of Black college students reported having attempted suicide."

Sure sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/04/princeton-tragic-loss-suicide-history

Majority of that list is Asian from the last name.

Yep. 5 out of 7 Asian STEM majors. Poor kids, taught that their worth lies in grades and academic achievements. Very problematic culture.