More skills based grading at madison hs

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Anonymous wrote:What evidence do you have that anyone has been So Furious anyway? People have left the system and taken their kids elsewhere. People have complained. There is a group studying SBG so even Reid understands there are issues. There is a discussion here. Teachers have put in complaints. This is a typical response to something unpopular and not over the top backlash with police presence. This is how people make a complaint about a change. For the most part it's been very respectful and it's administration that just isn't listening. Unless you have proof it's slander to say that anyone has displayed outlandish behavior. For all its unpopularity, people have been very civil.

what evidence? this thread is full of hysterics.

I think it's been a very measured discussion with a lot of details. Many details against. Few for. Where do you see hysterics? I also haven't seen hysterics at the school board or in the school. People don't like it at all but they have been very respectful. They shouldn't have had to do anything though. Fcps should have proved this system was well thought out and evidence based before implementing it. People are tired of their kids being guinea pigs for FCPSs latest change.

"People don't like it at all" - false
"they have been very respectful" - false

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Then prove it. I know for a fact that many people do not like the new grading so that is not false. As for hysterics and disrespect I have not seen it.

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Anonymous wrote:What evidence do you have that anyone has been So Furious anyway? People have left the system and taken their kids elsewhere. People have complained. There is a group studying SBG so even Reid understands there are issues. There is a discussion here. Teachers have put in complaints. This is a typical response to something unpopular and not over the top backlash with police presence. This is how people make a complaint about a change. For the most part it's been very respectful and it's administration that just isn't listening. Unless you have proof it's slander to say that anyone has displayed outlandish behavior. For all its unpopularity, people have been very civil.

what evidence? this thread is full of hysterics.

I think it's been a very measured discussion with a lot of details. Many details against. Few for. Where do you see hysterics? I also haven't seen hysterics at the school board or in the school. People don't like it at all but they have been very respectful. They shouldn't have had to do anything though. Fcps should have proved this system was well thought out and evidence based before implementing it. People are tired of their kids being guinea pigs for FCPSs latest change.

"People don't like it at all" - false
"they have been very respectful" - false

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Anonymous wrote:How does this lower grades? Only being assessed on major assignments is college-like. Someone said one mistake gives you a B on a test. That’s the part that’s confusing. And won’t colleges be comparing kids within the same school?

In my kid’s class 1 wrong is a B. 2 wrong is a C. Wrong in can be a paper where something underlined should have been italicized. Done once is a B. It goes down from there.

So they’ve raised the bar to get an A?

I have several kids at madison. Yes, in my experience, much harder now. There is no reason a small, technical issue done once should result in a B.

There is only one reason, equitable grading and closing the gap.

How is raising the bar “closing the gap” or eQuItAbLe grading?

Because when the poor performing students do well, say a C or B on a single assignment it sticks as their final grade. System intentionally confusing and convoluted to allow desired results.

If a student does well then what’s the issue with them getting a B or C?

Still waiting to hear from PP: if a student does well (AKA knows the content) why it’s an issue for them to get a B or C?

Because no one understands your question. Are you asking what’s wrong with getting a 2.0 or 3.0? Having a kid who recently applied to college, I can tell you that you’re not getting into VT or any similar school with that type of gpa

Recap of convo:
Q: How is this “closing the gap”?
A: Poor performing students might do well and get a B or C
Q: why is this an issue?

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You’re an idiot. No one can answer your idiocy and expect you to not be an idiot. Here is a better recap:

Recap of convo:
A: Poor performing students might do well and get a B or C
Q: why is this an issue?

Kids who deserve As do not always get those deserved As at JMHS. Kids who deserve As at other FCPS locations, get As. And, kids at most FCPS locations all get to add buffers to grades, boosting up scores from B+ to an A, but not at JMHS.

This excludes those kids from better schools when that won’t happen to other FCPS students.

Yeah, why does this matter, indeed.

So respectful.

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Anonymous wrote:Then prove it. I know for a fact that many people do not like the new grading so that is not false. As for hysterics and disrespect I have not seen it.

Examples of both on the last page or two. Go back and re-read if you missed them.

Some parents like it. Or at least aren't all frothed up about it.

On a recent post someone was calling people "stupid".

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Anonymous wrote:How does this lower grades? Only being assessed on major assignments is college-like. Someone said one mistake gives you a B on a test. That’s the part that’s confusing. And won’t colleges be comparing kids within the same school?

In my kid’s class 1 wrong is a B. 2 wrong is a C. Wrong in can be a paper where something underlined should have been italicized. Done once is a B. It goes down from there.

So they’ve raised the bar to get an A?

I think with the broad rubrics, it’s more subjective than ever before. I wouldn’t call it raising the bar. If anything, expectations are lower.

So it's both harder and easier. Makes sense.

Stfu. Clearly you don’t have high achieving kids that go there. If you don’t have kids there, skip the snark and listen. Maybe you’ll learn something.

Seems a little disrespectful/hysterical...

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Anonymous wrote:OMG this woman is such a troll. Ok yeah give my kid Bs and Cs for A work for 1-2 graded in class assignments. Go ahead. I’m keeping every graded assignment and every rubric and will challenge it all in the end if I have to and I encourage every other parent to do the same. This is ridiculous.

This is what every parent in a school with SBG must do. Only way to stop the madness to come.

The two posts above are worked up.

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Anonymous wrote:Then prove it. I know for a fact that many people do not like the new grading so that is not false. As for hysterics and disrespect I have not seen it.

Examples of both on the last page or two. Go back and re-read if you missed them.

Some parents like it. Or at least aren't all frothed up about it.

On a recent post someone was calling people "stupid".

Some parents like it and some parents aren't frothed up about it are different things. Still not one person has pointed out any benefit other than feeing free not to care about grading that I can remember. Which is an odd outcome of something that is supposed to measure grades with more specificity.

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Anonymous wrote:How does this lower grades? Only being assessed on major assignments is college-like. Someone said one mistake gives you a B on a test. That’s the part that’s confusing. And won’t colleges be comparing kids within the same school?

In my kid’s class 1 wrong is a B. 2 wrong is a C. Wrong in can be a paper where something underlined should have been italicized. Done once is a B. It goes down from there.

So they’ve raised the bar to get an A?

I think with the broad rubrics, it’s more subjective than ever before. I wouldn’t call it raising the bar. If anything, expectations are lower.

So it's both harder and easier. Makes sense.

Stfu. Clearly you don’t have high achieving kids that go there. If you don’t have kids there, skip the snark and listen. Maybe you’ll learn something.

Seems a little disrespectful/hysterical...

A little. I think you are overreaching. I don't see this post making headline news. 352 posts and this is all you can say is hysterical and disrespectful on an anonymous page that just involves writing? It also seems like both of these posters are against SBG. They aren't giving it any positives. I think you are the one overdramatizing. It's been respectful for the most part and it was implemented in a very disrespectful way just completely changing the grading with no notification from the year prior why or any reason why this was needed. My kid was at the school the year before this was implemented and nothing was said about a need to revamp grading and little was taught to parents or kids till people raised a fuss about it. The school just thought they could make this change without any input from parents and students whatsoever and they still haven't given a reason for the implementation. I call that disrespectful and a bit hysterical over a problem that didn't exist.

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Anonymous wrote:How does this lower grades? Only being assessed on major assignments is college-like. Someone said one mistake gives you a B on a test. That’s the part that’s confusing. And won’t colleges be comparing kids within the same school?

In my kid’s class 1 wrong is a B. 2 wrong is a C. Wrong in can be a paper where something underlined should have been italicized. Done once is a B. It goes down from there.

So they’ve raised the bar to get an A?

I think with the broad rubrics, it’s more subjective than ever before. I wouldn’t call it raising the bar. If anything, expectations are lower.

So it's both harder and easier. Makes sense.

Stfu. Clearly you don’t have high achieving kids that go there. If you don’t have kids there, skip the snark and listen. Maybe you’ll learn something.

Seems a little disrespectful/hysterical...

A little. I think you are overreaching. I don't see this post making headline news. 352 posts and this is all you can say is hysterical and disrespectful on an anonymous page that just involves writing? It also seems like both of these posters are against SBG. They aren't giving it any positives. I think you are the one overdramatizing. It's been respectful for the most part and it was implemented in a very disrespectful way just completely changing the grading with no notification from the year prior why or any reason why this was needed. My kid was at the school the year before this was implemented and nothing was said about a need to revamp grading and little was taught to parents or kids till people raised a fuss about it. The school just thought they could make this change without any input from parents and students whatsoever and they still haven't given a reason for the implementation. I call that disrespectful and a bit hysterical over a problem that didn't exist.

FCPS did the same thing with E3 Math. They understand that these efforts that further equity don't pass the smell test with people paying attention, so it's just best to move forward than ask for approval.

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And here is a post saying that the anti-equity person is hysterical. I think the hysterics are felt more towards a side the person disagrees with.

"This. There is seemingly one person who fails to confirm her kids currently attend Madison who says it isn’t based on equity (goes ballistic if you say it does)"

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Anonymous wrote:How does this lower grades? Only being assessed on major assignments is college-like. Someone said one mistake gives you a B on a test. That’s the part that’s confusing. And won’t colleges be comparing kids within the same school?

In my kid’s class 1 wrong is a B. 2 wrong is a C. Wrong in can be a paper where something underlined should have been italicized. Done once is a B. It goes down from there.

So they’ve raised the bar to get an A?

I think with the broad rubrics, it’s more subjective than ever before. I wouldn’t call it raising the bar. If anything, expectations are lower.

So it's both harder and easier. Makes sense.

Stfu. Clearly you don’t have high achieving kids that go there. If you don’t have kids there, skip the snark and listen. Maybe you’ll learn something.

Seems a little disrespectful/hysterical...

A little. I think you are overreaching. I don't see this post making headline news. 352 posts and this is all you can say is hysterical and disrespectful on an anonymous page that just involves writing? It also seems like both of these posters are against SBG. They aren't giving it any positives. I think you are the one overdramatizing. It's been respectful for the most part and it was implemented in a very disrespectful way just completely changing the grading with no notification from the year prior why or any reason why this was needed. My kid was at the school the year before this was implemented and nothing was said about a need to revamp grading and little was taught to parents or kids till people raised a fuss about it. The school just thought they could make this change without any input from parents and students whatsoever and they still haven't given a reason for the implementation. I call that disrespectful and a bit hysterical over a problem that didn't exist.

FCPS did the same thing with E3 Math. They understand that these efforts that further equity don't pass the smell test with people paying attention, so it's just best to move forward than ask for approval.

Exactly. Wouldn't you have thought at least there would be talk about problems with math before the implementation? Something like "FCPS is looking at new ways to help improve math scores that have been dropping at our school. Look for a new math initiative next year." or "This year we are implementing a new math initiative after seeing that math scores have dropped over the past two years. We will be soliciting feedback in February on how the new initiative is benefitting or not benefitting your child." Instead, these changes just come out of nowhere with no reason for implementation, no evidence to back up a need for it, confusing objectives and details on the initiative, and no concrete way of giving feedback and being taken seriously on how the new initiative is fairing.

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Anonymous wrote:How does this lower grades? Only being assessed on major assignments is college-like. Someone said one mistake gives you a B on a test. That’s the part that’s confusing. And won’t colleges be comparing kids within the same school?

In my kid’s class 1 wrong is a B. 2 wrong is a C. Wrong in can be a paper where something underlined should have been italicized. Done once is a B. It goes down from there.

So they’ve raised the bar to get an A?

I think with the broad rubrics, it’s more subjective than ever before. I wouldn’t call it raising the bar. If anything, expectations are lower.

So it's both harder and easier. Makes sense.

Stfu. Clearly you don’t have high achieving kids that go there. If you don’t have kids there, skip the snark and listen. Maybe you’ll learn something.

Seems a little disrespectful/hysterical...

A little. I think you are overreaching. I don't see this post making headline news. 352 posts and this is all you can say is hysterical and disrespectful on an anonymous page that just involves writing? It also seems like both of these posters are against SBG. They aren't giving it any positives. I think you are the one overdramatizing. It's been respectful for the most part and it was implemented in a very disrespectful way just completely changing the grading with no notification from the year prior why or any reason why this was needed. My kid was at the school the year before this was implemented and nothing was said about a need to revamp grading and little was taught to parents or kids till people raised a fuss about it. The school just thought they could make this change without any input from parents and students whatsoever and they still haven't given a reason for the implementation. I call that disrespectful and a bit hysterical over a problem that didn't exist.

Seems like you’re using a different definition of those words than the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Then prove it. I know for a fact that many people do not like the new grading so that is not false. As for hysterics and disrespect I have not seen it.

Examples of both on the last page or two. Go back and re-read if you missed them.

Some parents like it. Or at least aren't all frothed up about it.

On a recent post someone was calling people "stupid".

Some parents like it and some parents aren't frothed up about it are different things. Still not one person has pointed out any benefit other than feeing free not to care about grading that I can remember. Which is an odd outcome of something that is supposed to measure grades with more specificity.

There were posters who said they like it.

“People don't like it at all” is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:How does this lower grades? Only being assessed on major assignments is college-like. Someone said one mistake gives you a B on a test. That’s the part that’s confusing. And won’t colleges be comparing kids within the same school?

In my kid’s class 1 wrong is a B. 2 wrong is a C. Wrong in can be a paper where something underlined should have been italicized. Done once is a B. It goes down from there.

So they’ve raised the bar to get an A?

I think with the broad rubrics, it’s more subjective than ever before. I wouldn’t call it raising the bar. If anything, expectations are lower.

So it's both harder and easier. Makes sense.

Stfu. Clearly you don’t have high achieving kids that go there. If you don’t have kids there, skip the snark and listen. Maybe you’ll learn something.

Seems a little disrespectful/hysterical...

A little. I think you are overreaching. I don't see this post making headline news. 352 posts and this is all you can say is hysterical and disrespectful on an anonymous page that just involves writing? It also seems like both of these posters are against SBG. They aren't giving it any positives. I think you are the one overdramatizing. It's been respectful for the most part and it was implemented in a very disrespectful way just completely changing the grading with no notification from the year prior why or any reason why this was needed. My kid was at the school the year before this was implemented and nothing was said about a need to revamp grading and little was taught to parents or kids till people raised a fuss about it. The school just thought they could make this change without any input from parents and students whatsoever and they still haven't given a reason for the implementation. I call that disrespectful and a bit hysterical over a problem that didn't exist.

So YOU don't have a kid at the school now? But you are really involved in this???