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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

Poor whites did not have advantages either. They were never slaves and could vote, yes. No opportunities for scholarships or higher education. No rental assistance or health care. Food stamps were available. They were looked down upon and arrested for minor infractions of the law. Many teachers scorned them as well.

I grew up in the rural South. Every white guy I grew up with got as good a job as he tried to get, and most did not go to college. Historically, poor Southern whites who wanted out of their home town joined the military or moved to industrial cities for auto, steel, or other skilled trades jobs while the Black migrants got only the hard labor jobs. If the Southern boys stayed in the rural South, they were Barney Fifed - hired as cronies or relatives of the sheriff or mayor or county supervisor, or they got hired, no questions asked, wherever their father or uncle or brother-in-law worked. The rural and small town South was and is still very clannish.

The military has been disproportionately black for decades so your statement that whites joined the military while blacks got only hard labor jobs isn't born out by statistics. Black people have pulled more than their weight in terms of percentage of the military vs the US population.

The part about the military was prefaced by “Historically”, by which I meant that over the long-term past, white farm boys and coal country boys had the military as a way out that Blacks did not have. The increase of Blacks in the military happened with Vietnam because the military needed them. The military and the federal government generally include a higher share of Blacks because that’s who will hire them. The federal government discriminates much less than the private sector does.

The “Blacks got hard labor jobs” part was about work in the middle of the 20th century in northern industrial cities, especially the segregation in places like Chicago, Detroit, and Pittsburgh that had both the great migration of Blacks and the Hillbilly Highway from Appalachia and the Deep South. Look at the demographics of Chicago and Detroit neighborhoods and suburbs. Some still reflect a legacy of the history of racial segregation.

I agree with the sentiment that being poor and White was never a picnic but it also has never had as many obstacles as being poor and Black. The whole point of my post was to refute the idiot who said that nothing has held Blacks back for the past 60 years.

Ok but everything you just discussed was 60+ years ago. Black people have disproportionately served. I know that the popular talking point on the left is that white supremacists run the military, but it's a fact that black people have done more, proportionately, to serve our country than white people.

I think PP's point is more about the GI Bill and how it helped many white families move out of poverty and into the middle class. https://americanexperience.si.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/After-the-War-Blacks-and-the-GI-Bill.pdf

That wasn't the OPs point. The OP said that in the south, working class whites go into the military or the trades while blacks go into hard labor. I know the soft-handed educated left likes to pretend the military is overrun by the KKK, but that whitewashes the truth that black people carry more than their fair share of military service.

You are being intentionally dense. Stop misstating what I said. I’m talking about 100 years of wealth creation and class mobility that was available to poor whites that was not available to poor Blacks. I didn’t say shit about white supremacists or the KKK in the military. You imagined that. I was applauding the military as a way to escape from poverty but pointing out that it was not available for Blacks until relatively recently. My point was not about the military. It is that poor Black neighborhoods and communities have always been hard to leave except to go to other poor Black neighborhoods.

Your statement still doesn't make sense. The military was the first public institution to integrate. So the doors opened for military service as a path to social mobility far before any path apart from black colleges.

I am not accusing you of saying the military is full of the KKK, but it is a common lefty talking point. And you adding the military to the list of what wasn't available to black men 60 years ago is a historical when integrated units were created in 1948 and prior to that, the Buffalo solider units were gaining fame. Also contrary to your immediate pp, it was not only college educated and middle class blacks that joined-- working class blacks were enlisted at high rates. The reason that you hear about that less is that the military is lauded as a tool of social mobility for black officers because, it is thought, they faced less discrimination than in the civilian job market.

You erred when you said that 60 years ago, the military was an option for southern white boys but not southern black boys. That is not correct.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

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"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:NP... this song is typical southern victim mentality.

Amazing how Cletus making $16 an hour at the feed plant somehow thinks he's personally footing the brunt of the bill through his taxes to pay for that imaginary vision of millions of the unwashed hordes of ghetto baby mamas and illegal aliens to have free big screen tvs, steak and lobster every night and a free place to live in luxury.

Amazing that he hasn't realized that the only people his Republicans lower taxes for are for millionaires, billionaires and big companies.

Amazing that he hasn't realized his "shit wages" are because his Republican friends want to keep wages low even as worker productivity and corporate profits keep increasing year after year.

Yep. Rural white men are the biggest bunch of crybabies in the US.

The world is waiting for them, but too many just want to drink their lives away while they bit ch about women and minorities.

Oh and farmers absolutely get help from the government. But they think the deserve the help.

Rural white men are what keep 95% of this country moving. Truckers, train drivers, pilots, road crews, DOT, soldiers, on and on and on down the line...

Ha no. What a line of BS. My relatives from farms in Minnesota and South Carolina were not these great heroes you imagine.

At the very least they don't burn their own neighborhoods, murder their neighbors, ignore their schools and families, then blame the universe.

They do all these things and then some. You are thinking of some lame hokey version of rural America, not the brutal truth. It's boring, there isn't enough work, and there's too much alcohol, drugs leading to anger against "those" people.

Men beat their wives and children. Sexual abuse is not infrequent.

When I drive through rural Ohio, all I see is a rural hellscape.

Men beat their wives and children in Bethesda too. Sexual abuse is found among all income levels and regions of the world. You are just as biased as some rural yokel talking about the horrible crime in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

This is want DeSantis wants. A country full of ignoramuses what are oblivious to the history of reclining in this country.

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Dang auto correct...

Red lining, not reclining!

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Anonymous wrote:I always laugh at these “uprisings”

People will vote republican to help lower taxes, etc.

Those tax decreases are not helping the avg person, they are helping the DCUM crowd, myself included. This song preaches about how hard life is for the middle class (which is true) but what is the solution? Lower taxes? That will further the income inequality.

Most blue collar workers should be voting democratic as they are actually trying to stick it to the “rich men”.

That's not true. And the "rich men" Oliver is referring to is the politicians.
Like Biden, for example. He's been a politician his whole life. His wife a teacher. And, yet, his net worth is around $9 million.

And Trump is not a rich man???

OP here- to be sure, there were more than a few Trump shirts in the crowd but most of these people- if you talk to them- hate him too. They are begging for another person to vote for. It just happens that Trump is as close to what they want and available. The main thing these people are tired of is being told they are the problem when for the most part they follow the rules and go to work every morning. They arent doing anything other than raising families, going to church and keeping their nose to the grindstone.

Please explain who, specifically, is telling "these people" that "they are the problem"?

Well, you could start with the majority of people on this forum.

All the black 14 year olds in SE carjacking and shooting people are the actual victims, right? It's systemic racism that made them do it. They have no role or agency in any of it. And Joe blow who voted for Trump is a vile fascist, right?

It seriously cracks me up when republicans try to point to Biden as a ‘rich man’. You realize he was the poorest person in the US senate for nearly his entire tenure there. I can guarantee you he is the poorest president in recent history. You are so uninformed, it’s pathetic.

Also, so FIng dumb to talk about shooting in SE DC. That’s not affecting you, you dumba$$. It’s really not. You know what is way more likely to affect you: (1) your own damn gun you own being used against you on purpose or accidentally and (2) a mass shooting at your kid’s school by some incel you or your friends raised.

Open your eyes…you really don’t get the actual risk to YOUR life.

It's not affecting me? I live here, you fool. I have been robbed at gunpoint. My wife was robbed and beaten unconscious on the green line by a pack of black teenage girls. Two of my coworkers have been robbed at gun point.

Go eff yourself. Seriously.

You’re totally full of it. The probability of this being true is astronomically low. Don’t believe you for a second and I live in dc and spouse works in law enforcement in DC

He got called on his lying and ran off. Typical MAGA.

People denyingthis obviously don't live in DC. This happens litteraly everyday. There are a half dozen fatal shootings each week. He's not lying and he didn't run off. He just grew tired of explaining th etruth to liberal fools ho question reality from San Francisco.

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Anonymous wrote:NP... this song is typical southern victim mentality.

Amazing how Cletus making $16 an hour at the feed plant somehow thinks he's personally footing the brunt of the bill through his taxes to pay for that imaginary vision of millions of the unwashed hordes of ghetto baby mamas and illegal aliens to have free big screen tvs, steak and lobster every night and a free place to live in luxury.

Amazing that he hasn't realized that the only people his Republicans lower taxes for are for millionaires, billionaires and big companies.

Amazing that he hasn't realized his "shit wages" are because his Republican friends want to keep wages low even as worker productivity and corporate profits keep increasing year after year.

Yep. Rural white men are the biggest bunch of crybabies in the US.

The world is waiting for them, but too many just want to drink their lives away while they bit ch about women and minorities.

Oh and farmers absolutely get help from the government. But they think the deserve the help.

Rural white men are what keep 95% of this country moving. Truckers, train drivers, pilots, road crews, DOT, soldiers, on and on and on down the line...

Ha no. What a line of BS. My relatives from farms in Minnesota and South Carolina were not these great heroes you imagine.

At the very least they don't burn their own neighborhoods, murder their neighbors, ignore their schools and families, then blame the universe.

They do all these things and then some. You are thinking of some lame hokey version of rural America, not the brutal truth. It's boring, there isn't enough work, and there's too much alcohol, drugs leading to anger against "those" people.

Men beat their wives and children. Sexual abuse is not infrequent.

When I drive through rural Ohio, all I see is a rural hellscape.

Men beat their wives and children in Bethesda too. Sexual abuse is found among all income levels and regions of the world. You are just as biased as some rural yokel talking about the horrible crime in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope this guy's not a conspiracy theorist or anything...

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/oliver-anthony-9-11/

he clearly is a far right nutbag trying to appear "center" so lower income democrats don't hate him

He is just as bad as those rich men up north. He'll do whatever he can to make it big.

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Anonymous wrote:NP... this song is typical southern victim mentality.

Amazing how Cletus making $16 an hour at the feed plant somehow thinks he's personally footing the brunt of the bill through his taxes to pay for that imaginary vision of millions of the unwashed hordes of ghetto baby mamas and illegal aliens to have free big screen tvs, steak and lobster every night and a free place to live in luxury.

Amazing that he hasn't realized that the only people his Republicans lower taxes for are for millionaires, billionaires and big companies.

Amazing that he hasn't realized his "shit wages" are because his Republican friends want to keep wages low even as worker productivity and corporate profits keep increasing year after year.

Yep. Rural white men are the biggest bunch of crybabies in the US.

The world is waiting for them, but too many just want to drink their lives away while they bit ch about women and minorities.

Oh and farmers absolutely get help from the government. But they think the deserve the help.

Rural white men are what keep 95% of this country moving. Truckers, train drivers, pilots, road crews, DOT, soldiers, on and on and on down the line...

Ha no. What a line of BS. My relatives from farms in Minnesota and South Carolina were not these great heroes you imagine.

At the very least they don't burn their own neighborhoods, murder their neighbors, ignore their schools and families, then blame the universe.

They do all these things and then some. You are thinking of some lame hokey version of rural America, not the brutal truth. It's boring, there isn't enough work, and there's too much alcohol, drugs leading to anger against "those" people.

Men beat their wives and children. Sexual abuse is not infrequent.

When I drive through rural Ohio, all I see is a rural hellscape.

Men beat their wives and children in Bethesda too. Sexual abuse is found among all income levels and regions of the world. You are just as biased as some rural yokel talking about the horrible crime in DC.

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DP. No one has ever denied that these things happen in Bethesda, but people saying rural white folks don't murder their neighbors and ignore their families is full of shit. Anyone who has ever lived in a rural area can attest to that if they're honest. My small town NC high school class produced more than its fair share of murderers.

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Funny how the things he complains about - low wages and no overtime - are the direct result of Republican opposition to increase minimum wage and to reduce overtime to "comp time".

And the BS about the FBI investigating people for voicing their opinions is total BS. The FBI investigated people who MADE THREATS at school board meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Dp. Even with your own analysis, some white people are less advantaged than some black people. So it doesn't make sense to give, say, a MoCo black person advantages over an Appalachian white person in the interest of equity, since the Moco person has more opportunity than the Appalachian person. Race can't be the single factor under consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

*Sigh is right. Please try to understand my actual argument. I understand the history of redlining. I understand that people experience present day disadvantages based on historical injustice. I don’t understand why a wealthy black family that didn’t experience redlining in DC should be given preference over a hispanic working class immigrant family just because of skin color.

Why not distribute assistance based on need rather than skin color or group identity? Any black family that is in need due to historic injustice will get assistance with the added benefit of not using government to drive a wedge between working class people of different ethnicities.

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Anonymous wrote:NP... this song is typical southern victim mentality.

Amazing how Cletus making $16 an hour at the feed plant somehow thinks he's personally footing the brunt of the bill through his taxes to pay for that imaginary vision of millions of the unwashed hordes of ghetto baby mamas and illegal aliens to have free big screen tvs, steak and lobster every night and a free place to live in luxury.

Amazing that he hasn't realized that the only people his Republicans lower taxes for are for millionaires, billionaires and big companies.

Amazing that he hasn't realized his "shit wages" are because his Republican friends want to keep wages low even as worker productivity and corporate profits keep increasing year after year.

Yep. Rural white men are the biggest bunch of crybabies in the US.

The world is waiting for them, but too many just want to drink their lives away while they bit ch about women and minorities.

Oh and farmers absolutely get help from the government. But they think the deserve the help.

Rural white men are what keep 95% of this country moving. Truckers, train drivers, pilots, road crews, DOT, soldiers, on and on and on down the line...

Ha no. What a line of BS. My relatives from farms in Minnesota and South Carolina were not these great heroes you imagine.

At the very least they don't burn their own neighborhoods, murder their neighbors, ignore their schools and families, then blame the universe.

They do all these things and then some. You are thinking of some lame hokey version of rural America, not the brutal truth. It's boring, there isn't enough work, and there's too much alcohol, drugs leading to anger against "those" people.

Men beat their wives and children. Sexual abuse is not infrequent.

When I drive through rural Ohio, all I see is a rural hellscape.

Men beat their wives and children in Bethesda too. Sexual abuse is found among all income levels and regions of the world. You are just as biased as some rural yokel talking about the horrible crime in DC.

+ 1 million

DP. No one has ever denied that these things happen in Bethesda, but people saying rural white folks don't murder their neighbors and ignore their families is full of shit. Anyone who has ever lived in a rural area can attest to that if they're honest. My small town NC high school class produced more than its fair share of murderers.

Your particular class in a small town produced multiple murderers? I find it hard to believe that those statistics are typical for your small town, but yes, murders happen anywhere.