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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education.  This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.[/quote]

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base. [/quote]

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?[/quote]

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.[/quote]

Poor whites did not have advantages either. They were never slaves and could vote, yes. No opportunities for scholarships or higher education. No rental assistance or health care. Food stamps were available. They were looked down upon and arrested for minor infractions of the law. Many teachers scorned them as well. [/quote]

I grew up in the rural South. Every white guy I grew up with got as good a job as he tried to get, and most did not go to college. Historically, poor Southern whites who wanted out of their home town joined the military or moved to industrial cities for auto, steel, or other skilled trades jobs while the Black migrants got only the hard labor jobs. If the Southern boys stayed in the rural South, they were Barney Fifed - hired as cronies or relatives of the sheriff or mayor or county supervisor, or they got hired, no questions asked, wherever their father or uncle or brother-in-law worked. The rural and small town South was and is still very clannish. [/quote]

The military has been disproportionately black for decades so your statement that whites joined the military while blacks got only hard labor jobs isn't born out by statistics. Black people have pulled more than their weight in terms of percentage of the military vs the US population. [/quote]

The part about the military was prefaced by “Historically”, by which I meant that over the long-term past, white farm boys and coal country boys had the military as a way out that Blacks did not have. The increase of Blacks in the military happened with Vietnam because the military needed them. The military and the federal government generally include a higher share of Blacks because that’s who will hire them. The federal government discriminates much less than the private sector does.

The “Blacks got hard labor jobs” part was about work in the middle of the 20th century in northern industrial cities, especially the segregation in places like Chicago, Detroit, and Pittsburgh that had both the great migration of Blacks and the Hillbilly Highway from Appalachia and the Deep South. Look at the demographics of Chicago and Detroit neighborhoods and suburbs. Some still reflect a legacy of the history of racial segregation.

I agree with the sentiment that being poor and White was never a picnic but it also has never had as many obstacles as being poor and Black. The whole point of my post was to refute the idiot who said that nothing has held Blacks back for the past 60 years. [/quote]

Ok but everything you just discussed was 60+ years ago. Black people have disproportionately served. I know that the popular talking point on the left is that white supremacists run the military, but it's a fact that black people have done more, proportionately, to serve our country than white people. [/quote]

I think PP's point is more about the GI Bill and how it helped many white families move out of poverty and into the middle class. https://americanexperience.si.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/After-the-War-Blacks-and-the-GI-Bill.pdf
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That wasn't the OPs point. The OP said that in the south, working class whites go into the military or the trades while blacks go into hard labor. I know the soft-handed educated left likes to pretend the military is overrun by the KKK, but that whitewashes the truth that black people carry more than their fair share of military service. [/quote]

You are being intentionally dense. Stop misstating what I said. I’m talking about 100 years of wealth creation and class mobility that was available to poor whites that was not available to poor Blacks. I didn’t say shit about white supremacists or the KKK in the military. You imagined that. I was applauding the military as a way to escape from poverty but pointing out that it was not available for Blacks until relatively recently. My point was not about the military. It is that poor Black neighborhoods and communities have always been hard to leave except to go to other poor Black neighborhoods. [/quote]

Your statement still doesn't make sense. The military was the first public institution to integrate. So the doors opened for military service as a path to social mobility far before any path apart from black colleges.

I am not accusing you of saying the military is full of the KKK, but it is a common lefty talking point. And you adding the military to the list of what wasn't available to black men 60 years ago is a historical when integrated units were created in 1948 and prior to that, the Buffalo solider units were gaining fame. Also contrary to your immediate pp, it was not only college educated and middle class blacks that joined-- working class blacks were enlisted at high rates. The reason that you hear about that less is that the military is lauded as a tool of social mobility for black officers because, it is thought, they faced less discrimination than in the civilian job market.

You erred when you said that 60 years ago, the military was an option for southern white boys but not southern black boys. That is not correct. [/quote]

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