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Anonymous
No one believes you, TJAAG parrot. TJ is a joke now. LOL!! |
Anonymous
The Curie story has evidence and, again, has been confirmed by its own students on TJ message boards where the students had nothing to gain by implicating themselves. Comparing it to some sort of wild conspiracy theory may serve your narrative, but it's not appropriate in this situation. |
Anonymous
Sure they will do fine. However, these are also the students most likely to take advantage of the extra opportunities available at TJ. They could be taking calculus in 9th grade and harder classes without the need for college enrollment or online classes, the physics class that college professors come to observe, etc. It seems strange that these students were rejected outright. |
Anonymous
Observation at my kid's school is that they still took Asian students, but ones who were of less ability. Possibly ones who went to Curie and got prepped for the essay. |
Anonymous
| My son (in AAP) didn’t apply but his two good friends didn’t get in. I think it’s TJ’s loss, our base school’s gain. I don’t think TJ is going to keep its cache. I already didn’t think my son should apply. |
Anonymous
Cachet. Sorry for the typo. |
Anonymous
They try awful hard to cover this up. I think it's because they want to pretend the previous selection was based on merit instead of the rigged game that it really was. |
Anonymous
PP - I think it's unfair to characterize the entire classes as benefiting from a "rigged game" as you indicate, but the Curie situation absolutely had a huge impact on admissions for a brief moment there. It's also a little bit unfair to characterize - as many have - that the parents who registered their students for Curie's boutique $5,000 TJ Prep course were "buying the answers to the test". I certainly don't believe that they knew that that's what they were doing. But what is confirmed by evidence is that TJ students who had attended Curie noted that, when they sat for the notoriously challenging, time-intensive, and theoretically "secured" Quant-Q exam, that they noticed problems on the exam that they had seen - word for word - in their time at Curie. It's a standard practice for exam distributors to re-use some questions on different forms of the exam year over year, and in this instance, the only explanation of how Curie would have been able to present identical longform word-problem-style questions to their students is if they had been reported back by the previous students who had taken the exam. To put it another way, it's fairly obvious based on the evidence that Curie students took the Quant-Q for the Classes of 2022 or 2023, reported the questions back to Curie in violation of the agreement that they signed on the exam day, which Curie then used to develop their own question bank. This is a problem because the entire purpose of the Quant-Q exam is to evaluate a student's ability to solve problems of types that they've never seen before, which is why it has been used historically to evaluate potential applicants for high-level CS programs and the like. Nearly every problem on the Quant-Q can be solved through some sort of lengthy calculation process, but there are also ways to synthesize the information in the question to come to a much quicker solution - and time is a major factor on that exam. By teaching their students how to identify and solve the different types of problems presented by the Quant-Q exam, Curie not only created an artificially high standard for students to achieve in order to get to the percentile score necessary to qualify for TJ's semifinalist designation - they essentially rendered the exam useless in evaluating their students. I've seen the exam. The problem types are remarkably easy if you are either an exceptional problem solver or if you have already been taught how to solve them. But if you're not familiar with them already, they're going to be very challenging and require you to develop a method for solving them quickly and on the fly, which makes it a valuable tool for evaluating students to attend a school like TJ. |
Anonymous
That is not obvious. Consider another detail mentioned. Curie posted the names of the students who were accepted. This is a common action taken by coaching centres in India, publishing top ranks in the newspaper to get more parents paying tuition for their kids. Some of these centres flip it around and pay top students to come there so they will be able to publish their names when they get a top rank. It's all about getting more registrations. Something else that frequently happens, the coaching centres acquire the actual exams beforehand, bribing some official or another. Just this month, it came out that the exam papers leaked in Andhra, and they canceled the exam. |
Anonymous
So pathetically predictable parroting #BackDoorKaren #TestBuyingKaren We're not talking about borderline kids who were boosted by Curie or another prep center. Those kids generally got on the waitlist, some were accepted. Many superstars who did not go to Curie were rejected outright. |
Anonymous
"This place is so popular, nobody goes there anymore." |
Anonymous
“Applications are flat and nowhere near their peak.” |
Anonymous
Perhaps it's unfair but the ad that Curie took out listed the names of 33% of the TJ entering class as having been their customers. Further, I'm sure they weren't the only prep center to do this sort of thing so I would imagine the number of students who benefited from this was greater than 50%. |
Anonymous
We're not talking about borderline kids who were boosted by Curie or another prep center. Those kids generally got on the waitlist, some were accepted. Many superstars who did not go to Curie were rejected outright. Lol. Your expectations are too high from a parrot 
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Anonymous
I know my nephew who is a URM a half-dozen years ago turned TJ down. They felt others assumed they only got in because of affirmative action. They later ended up at a T10 school. |