Best private schools in NYC?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a scam. These TT schools are full of legacy and big donors. Whatever success the schools have is baked in. The parents are well connected and wealthy, of course they all have good outcome. The schools do very little in college outcome but charging obscene amount of tuition.

If your kid is actually smart, you wouldn't need TT schools to get in a good college. Yes, mediocre kids are sent here to pretend there is "rigor". What a joke.

Simply untrue for the vast majority of the student body. Where are people getting this info?

This is true. Well, that and ED which is what many of these kids do, which is essentially wealthy kid affirmative action. Signals to the school = I will pay full freight

To say that they aren’t rigorous - huh? They’re absolute pressure-cookers. The amount of work is bonkers. And the grading curve is also pretty strict. But if you truly think the students are dumb - and I don’t view this as a measure of intelligence, just an easy way to compare a certain level of aptitude - but the average sat scores at them are higher than almost any other school in the nation. This includes the dumb, lazy rich kids. And please don’t say it’s because of tutors. Once again, the vast majority of us don’t get any personal tutorship, but the school provides extra help.

You think higher SAT scores are not because of test prep? You are really saying that with a straight face?

Like I said, the school provided resources for us and many of their students. Please don’t pretend that you know what you’re talking about. It’s exhausting, and I’m not going to reply to the assumptions of people anymore.

My family couldn’t afford tutors for my brother and sister, nor could dozens of families. Once again, I’m not saying SATs are a measure of intelligence, but it’s one of the only ways we have to measure student performance across a broad swathe of students, even if we limit it solely to private schools. If you’d like to compare ap testing or whatever, feel free to pour through the data.

But yes, most of us couldn’t afford private tutors. We had afterschool sessions in groups to learn test strategies, but they cost nothing and were available to all of us, rich and poor. BTW, many of us were on financial aid - my sister got ~ 55k and my brother got all tuition covered, without which we wouldn’t have been able to afford schools. Which i think is another thing i should mention: when you get accepted at one of these schools, they make an enormous effort to make it affordable. I think some are pushing for meeting all needs of accepted students. Financial aid packages are quite generous at tt schools - they accepted you for a reason and they work closely with families in order to provide the best package possible. Once again, all three of us would not have been able to go to our schools had we not received financial aid. I genuinely am having a hard time understanding why people believe all this hearsay.

Sorry, what year are we talking about? Because I’m discussing current realities. The majority of kids at TT are UMC or wealthier, and yes, they have $ for SAT prep. Most have private tutors (and essay help and private college counseling) but those who didn’t could still afford pricey group classes which maybe you don’t think of as pricey because you are apparently clueless and out of touch

No reason to be insulting and you’re wrong.

Not wrong. I strongly suspect you don’t have dc at these schools. At least not remotely current

Nephew had his first day today. I do fundraising for for both my old schools.

First day in high school? Ok so you don’t know then. Let’s chat in 3 years and then you can try to tell me with a straight face that these kids aren’t incredibly advantaged when it comes to the college process.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a scam. These TT schools are full of legacy and big donors. Whatever success the schools have is baked in. The parents are well connected and wealthy, of course they all have good outcome. The schools do very little in college outcome but charging obscene amount of tuition.

If your kid is actually smart, you wouldn't need TT schools to get in a good college. Yes, mediocre kids are sent here to pretend there is "rigor". What a joke.

Simply untrue for the vast majority of the student body. Where are people getting this info?

This is true. Well, that and ED which is what many of these kids do, which is essentially wealthy kid affirmative action. Signals to the school = I will pay full freight

To say that they aren’t rigorous - huh? They’re absolute pressure-cookers. The amount of work is bonkers. And the grading curve is also pretty strict. But if you truly think the students are dumb - and I don’t view this as a measure of intelligence, just an easy way to compare a certain level of aptitude - but the average sat scores at them are higher than almost any other school in the nation. This includes the dumb, lazy rich kids. And please don’t say it’s because of tutors. Once again, the vast majority of us don’t get any personal tutorship, but the school provides extra help.

Analytical fail.

Look, I have had dc in both NYC private and SHS public and I know of what I speak. There are absolutely rigorous private schools, of course, I didn’t say anything to contradict that, and the dc certainly aren’t dumb. But if you’ve ever had a kid in an SHS, you will know that there is incredible rigor there too, and many of those kids are simply incredible, and earned their way there through sheer force of will without much financial support. If you’re going to tell me the majority of the private school kids don’t have a whole extra level of support, you’re just a liar (test prep up the whazoo, private college counselors, etc).

But if you compare their college emission stats, you might think that these SHS kids are less impressive than the TT kids. Why? Because they aren’t legacy, they aren’t donating money and significantly, many/most are not doing ED because they need to shop for the best merit and financial aid at schools. The TT kids ED far more often as a group from my experience.

It is interesting to me how so many TT private parents sniff about the SHS kids not being so great. I can tell you that this doesn’t really happen much in the reverse. These parents are typically working their assess off, and saving for their kids college etc.

Forgive me if I came across that way. I wasn’t trying to compare NYC private schools to SHS public,a nd it’s not fair of me to do that if i did. And there’s absolutely no way that i said dc kids are dumb. Of course, private school kids have an extra level of support, BUT it’s not because of wealth.

There are a lot of very rich people, but the majority of us came/come from normal backgrounds. For example, my brother and sister had nearly full tuition covered, and when I was at trinity, I had about 3/4 of my tuition through financial aid. WIthout it we couldn’t have afforded these schools.

The extra level of support is one of the benefits of going to a TT private school. If you’re lucky enough to get in, they have the ability to provide the support and nurture their students. That’s undeniably a good thing, and without it, i doubt my siblings and i would have gotten into the universities we went to, as is the case with a lot of my friends. And ultimately, it’s not a competition over who works harder, etc. School for us was incredibly hard, the amount of work we had was absolutely crazy - as i’m sure it is anywhere - but again, we needed to rise to the occasion, seek help where we needed it, and pursue the things we wanted to do. No one forced us to do that.

My point was simply that to say they arent rigorous is just untrue. They’re incredibly difficult schools where competition is absolutely fierce because the student body - including the rich kids - are wildly intelligent and ambitious. This isn’t meant to take away from SHS public schools or imply that they’re easier - nothing like that. challenges, talent, and academic rigor isn’t zero sum. But our experiences at our schools was by and large a positive one. Which isn’t to say there aren’t huge flaws. There are. But a lot of assumptions people make are just flat-out wrong. As though there’s this weird mystique that people are so quick to judge without any real information. Like really? You think the 8 people who got into harvard, 7 people who got into princeton and yale were all the children of fabulously wealthy people? Come on.

What private schools did your kid go to? My sibs are still involved with Dalton and I’m still involved with Trinity. Possible we’ve crossed paths at some point.

Look, I’m not going to out myself but if you’re talking anything current, you’ll know that basically almost all of the kids who got into HYP the last several years from those schools were full pay. I didn’t say they were ‘fabulously wealthy’ but they had enough money that they paid sticker price. Again I’ll comment that ED is UMC affirmative action.

You are apparently so out of touch with reality that a regular old UMC lawyer/doctor/professional type family feels ‘poor’ to you.

And if you’ve ever been involved with SHS, it is just very different. Sure, there are middle class and UMC families here and there, but there are also tons of families of very modest means and they aren’t having their kids ED HYP because they are shopping for merit aid.

And I never said they were poor, but many private schools will offer some aid to families that make up to 400k in some cases. And yes, I do know. I’m still active in the school, as are my siblings, and my nephew is currently there. Why is this a disagreement? It’s just a fact. It’s not a debate.

Bingo. And this is why you are so clueless. Yes, some MC UMC families- especially with multiple children - may get *some* aid at TT schools - sure, bc an HHI is considered not rich to these people, but an HHI of 400k will not get you a cent of financial aid in college. And these ‘poorer’ families still have enough money to put their dc into SAT prep classes etc. And if you tell me they don’t, I will know you are delusional or a liar. So don’t tell me that the ‘TT kids have such high SAT tests scores, and it has nothing to do with paid prep’.

You apparently have no idea how most students live. Sad for you. All that education and you’re so myopic

Why are you so rude? You’re just disparaging and acting like a jerk. Prove it. Prove to the board that the accepted students to the top schools all come from wealthy families. Surely you must know. Show us. Show us the number of people with >10m in assets. Show us that only urm’s and and the rich get into top schools. We’ll wait.

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If your kid is actually smart, you wouldn't need TT schools to get in a good college. Yes, mediocre kids are sent here to pretend there is "rigor". What a joke.

What? Do you know how selective Trinity or Dalton is? The average IQ there is probably over 160. Not joke.

Most of them are from middle class families, with few rich and few urm. All the ones got into T5 that I know of are not rich and are not urm. They all worked insanely hard, with top notch EC like national or even international awards.

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In recent years there are very few sib/legacy at trinity, maybe 10%? The curriculum is extremely rigorous. If the student has to engage a private tutor, he is not going to survive trinity. Most of students I know of do not use tutors. It's called raw talent.

I am not sure if CUNY and LACs are prepared to handle all that raw talent.

CUNY? lol
Most of graduates go to T20 if not T5. More than 50% go to an ivy league college.
Look, if you don't understand how rigorous trinity is, don't pretend that you do.

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In recent years there are very few sib/legacy at trinity, maybe 10%? The curriculum is extremely rigorous. If the student has to engage a private tutor, he is not going to survive trinity. Most of students I know of do not use tutors. It's called raw talent.

I am not sure if CUNY and LACs are prepared to handle all that raw talent.

CUNY? lol
Most of graduates go to T20 if not T5. More than 50% go to an ivy league college.
Look, if you don't understand how rigorous trinity is, don't pretend that you do.

You are welcome to look at the annual report. Hunter College, CUNY is on page 8.

Link: https://www.trinityschoolnyc.org/support-trinity/annual-report

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In recent years there are very few sib/legacy at trinity, maybe 10%? The curriculum is extremely rigorous. If the student has to engage a private tutor, he is not going to survive trinity. Most of students I know of do not use tutors. It's called raw talent.

I am not sure if CUNY and LACs are prepared to handle all that raw talent.

CUNY? lol
Most of graduates go to T20 if not T5. More than 50% go to an ivy league college.
Look, if you don't understand how rigorous trinity is, don't pretend that you do.

You are welcome to look at the annual report. Hunter College, CUNY is on page 8.

Link: https://www.trinityschoolnyc.org/support-trinity/annual-report

So what? A single person matriculates to CUNY. It happens all the time. Maybe he got a full ride from CUNY. Good for him if he needs financial assistance.
Majority of the student body goes to ivy league schools. Period!

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Anonymous wrote:It's a scam. These TT schools are full of legacy and big donors. Whatever success the schools have is baked in. The parents are well connected and wealthy, of course they all have good outcome. The schools do very little in college outcome but charging obscene amount of tuition.

If your kid is actually smart, you wouldn't need TT schools to get in a good college. Yes, mediocre kids are sent here to pretend there is "rigor". What a joke.

Simply untrue for the vast majority of the student body. Where are people getting this info?

This is true. Well, that and ED which is what many of these kids do, which is essentially wealthy kid affirmative action. Signals to the school = I will pay full freight

To say that they aren’t rigorous - huh? They’re absolute pressure-cookers. The amount of work is bonkers. And the grading curve is also pretty strict. But if you truly think the students are dumb - and I don’t view this as a measure of intelligence, just an easy way to compare a certain level of aptitude - but the average sat scores at them are higher than almost any other school in the nation. This includes the dumb, lazy rich kids. And please don’t say it’s because of tutors. Once again, the vast majority of us don’t get any personal tutorship, but the school provides extra help.

Analytical fail.

Look, I have had dc in both NYC private and SHS public and I know of what I speak. There are absolutely rigorous private schools, of course, I didn’t say anything to contradict that, and the dc certainly aren’t dumb. But if you’ve ever had a kid in an SHS, you will know that there is incredible rigor there too, and many of those kids are simply incredible, and earned their way there through sheer force of will without much financial support. If you’re going to tell me the majority of the private school kids don’t have a whole extra level of support, you’re just a liar (test prep up the whazoo, private college counselors, etc).

But if you compare their college emission stats, you might think that these SHS kids are less impressive than the TT kids. Why? Because they aren’t legacy, they aren’t donating money and significantly, many/most are not doing ED because they need to shop for the best merit and financial aid at schools. The TT kids ED far more often as a group from my experience.

It is interesting to me how so many TT private parents sniff about the SHS kids not being so great. I can tell you that this doesn’t really happen much in the reverse. These parents are typically working their assess off, and saving for their kids college etc.

Forgive me if I came across that way. I wasn’t trying to compare NYC private schools to SHS public,a nd it’s not fair of me to do that if i did. And there’s absolutely no way that i said dc kids are dumb. Of course, private school kids have an extra level of support, BUT it’s not because of wealth.

There are a lot of very rich people, but the majority of us came/come from normal backgrounds. For example, my brother and sister had nearly full tuition covered, and when I was at trinity, I had about 3/4 of my tuition through financial aid. WIthout it we couldn’t have afforded these schools.

The extra level of support is one of the benefits of going to a TT private school. If you’re lucky enough to get in, they have the ability to provide the support and nurture their students. That’s undeniably a good thing, and without it, i doubt my siblings and i would have gotten into the universities we went to, as is the case with a lot of my friends. And ultimately, it’s not a competition over who works harder, etc. School for us was incredibly hard, the amount of work we had was absolutely crazy - as i’m sure it is anywhere - but again, we needed to rise to the occasion, seek help where we needed it, and pursue the things we wanted to do. No one forced us to do that.

My point was simply that to say they arent rigorous is just untrue. They’re incredibly difficult schools where competition is absolutely fierce because the student body - including the rich kids - are wildly intelligent and ambitious. This isn’t meant to take away from SHS public schools or imply that they’re easier - nothing like that. challenges, talent, and academic rigor isn’t zero sum. But our experiences at our schools was by and large a positive one. Which isn’t to say there aren’t huge flaws. There are. But a lot of assumptions people make are just flat-out wrong. As though there’s this weird mystique that people are so quick to judge without any real information. Like really? You think the 8 people who got into harvard, 7 people who got into princeton and yale were all the children of fabulously wealthy people? Come on.

What private schools did your kid go to? My sibs are still involved with Dalton and I’m still involved with Trinity. Possible we’ve crossed paths at some point.

Look, I’m not going to out myself but if you’re talking anything current, you’ll know that basically almost all of the kids who got into HYP the last several years from those schools were full pay. I didn’t say they were ‘fabulously wealthy’ but they had enough money that they paid sticker price. Again I’ll comment that ED is UMC affirmative action.

You are apparently so out of touch with reality that a regular old UMC lawyer/doctor/professional type family feels ‘poor’ to you.

And if you’ve ever been involved with SHS, it is just very different. Sure, there are middle class and UMC families here and there, but there are also tons of families of very modest means and they aren’t having their kids ED HYP because they are shopping for merit aid.

And I never said they were poor, but many private schools will offer some aid to families that make up to 400k in some cases. And yes, I do know. I’m still active in the school, as are my siblings, and my nephew is currently there. Why is this a disagreement? It’s just a fact. It’s not a debate.

Bingo. And this is why you are so clueless. Yes, some MC UMC families- especially with multiple children - may get *some* aid at TT schools - sure, bc an HHI is considered not rich to these people, but an HHI of 400k will not get you a cent of financial aid in college. And these ‘poorer’ families still have enough money to put their dc into SAT prep classes etc. And if you tell me they don’t, I will know you are delusional or a liar. So don’t tell me that the ‘TT kids have such high SAT tests scores, and it has nothing to do with paid prep’.

You apparently have no idea how most students live. Sad for you. All that education and you’re so myopic

Why are you so rude? You’re just disparaging and acting like a jerk. Prove it. Prove to the board that the accepted students to the top schools all come from wealthy families. Surely you must know. Show us. Show us the number of people with >10m in assets. Show us that only urm’s and and the rich get into top schools. We’ll wait.

10 mil is a bit low for donor-level wealth. I’d say closer to 30.

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In recent years there are very few sib/legacy at trinity, maybe 10%? The curriculum is extremely rigorous. If the student has to engage a private tutor, he is not going to survive trinity. Most of students I know of do not use tutors. It's called raw talent.

I am not sure if CUNY and LACs are prepared to handle all that raw talent.

CUNY? lol
Most of graduates go to T20 if not T5. More than 50% go to an ivy league college.
Look, if you don't understand how rigorous trinity is, don't pretend that you do.

You are welcome to look at the annual report. Hunter College, CUNY is on page 8.

Link: https://www.trinityschoolnyc.org/support-trinity/annual-report

So what? A single person matriculates to CUNY. It happens all the time. Maybe he got a full ride from CUNY. Good for him if he needs financial assistance.
Majority of the student body goes to ivy league schools. Period!

You claimed the average class IQ is higher than Albert Einstein. With such raw intelligence talent, they should all be at T5 schools. Please name all the nobel prize winners from trinity school.

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In recent years there are very few sib/legacy at trinity, maybe 10%? The curriculum is extremely rigorous. If the student has to engage a private tutor, he is not going to survive trinity. Most of students I know of do not use tutors. It's called raw talent.

I am not sure if CUNY and LACs are prepared to handle all that raw talent.

CUNY? lol
Most of graduates go to T20 if not T5. More than 50% go to an ivy league college.
Look, if you don't understand how rigorous trinity is, don't pretend that you do.

You are welcome to look at the annual report. Hunter College, CUNY is on page 8.

Link: https://www.trinityschoolnyc.org/support-trinity/annual-report

So what? A single person matriculates to CUNY. It happens all the time. Maybe he got a full ride from CUNY. Good for him if he needs financial assistance.
Majority of the student body goes to ivy league schools. Period!

You claimed the average class IQ is higher than Albert Einstein. With such raw intelligence talent, they should all be at T5 schools. Please name all the nobel prize winners from trinity school.

Sour grape.

Look at Dalton's matriculation this year. Jealous much?

https://www.instagram.com/daltondecisions2024/

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In recent years there are very few sib/legacy at trinity, maybe 10%? The curriculum is extremely rigorous. If the student has to engage a private tutor, he is not going to survive trinity. Most of students I know of do not use tutors. It's called raw talent.

I am not sure if CUNY and LACs are prepared to handle all that raw talent.

CUNY? lol
Most of graduates go to T20 if not T5. More than 50% go to an ivy league college.
Look, if you don't understand how rigorous trinity is, don't pretend that you do.

You are welcome to look at the annual report. Hunter College, CUNY is on page 8.

Link: https://www.trinityschoolnyc.org/support-trinity/annual-report

So what? A single person matriculates to CUNY. It happens all the time. Maybe he got a full ride from CUNY. Good for him if he needs financial assistance.
Majority of the student body goes to ivy league schools. Period!

You claimed the average class IQ is higher than Albert Einstein. With such raw intelligence talent, they should all be at T5 schools. Please name all the nobel prize winners from trinity school.

Sour grape.

Look at Dalton's matriculation this year. Jealous much?

https://www.instagram.com/daltondecisions2024/

In the future, probably best not to post a page of minors on a public venue of hostile parents. Just saying…

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Sour grape.

Look at Dalton's matriculation this year. Jealous much?

Did you really attend Trinity school? You give the appearance of someone circulating a list found online for credentials.

If you did any research on the link you provided you would quickly realize how it invalidated your previous arguments.

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Sour grape.

Look at Dalton's matriculation this year. Jealous much?

Did you really attend Trinity school? You give the appearance of someone circulating a list found online for credentials.

If you did any research on the link you provided you would quickly realize how it invalidated your previous arguments.

I didn’t post that, but it’s Dalton, not trinity. And out of curiousity, what are you researching wrt that page? That it’s fake? Because it’s a page Dalton puts together for each class. Lots of schools do it. But maybe i’m missing something?

*I agree that it shouldn’t be posted, btw. I hope the mods take it down.

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Sour grape.

Look at Dalton's matriculation this year. Jealous much?

Did you really attend Trinity school? You give the appearance of someone circulating a list found online for credentials.

If you did any research on the link you provided you would quickly realize how it invalidated your previous arguments.

I didn’t post that, but it’s Dalton, not trinity. And out of curiousity, what are you researching wrt that page? That it’s fake? Because it’s a page Dalton puts together for each class. Lots of schools do it. But maybe i’m missing something?

*I agree that it shouldn’t be posted, btw. I hope the mods take it down.

I am not saying it fake. I am saying if you google the names, the parents are famous enough to appear. You will see many are children of senior executives. Another poster mentioned about the difference between tt private and SHS in terms of background and access to resources.


The list has been circulated at whybemom, so sharing it doesn’t imply association with the school.

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I went to MIT and the only private school in the city that I met multiple people from was Riverdale

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Sour grape.

Look at Dalton's matriculation this year. Jealous much?

Did you really attend Trinity school? You give the appearance of someone circulating a list found online for credentials.

If you did any research on the link you provided you would quickly realize how it invalidated your previous arguments.

I didn’t post that, but it’s Dalton, not trinity. And out of curiousity, what are you researching wrt that page? That it’s fake? Because it’s a page Dalton puts together for each class. Lots of schools do it. But maybe i’m missing something?

*I agree that it shouldn’t be posted, btw. I hope the mods take it down.

I am not saying it fake. I am saying if you google the names, the parents are famous enough to appear. You will see many are children of senior executives. Another poster mentioned about the difference between tt private and SHS in terms of background and access to resources.


The list has been circulated at whybemom, so sharing it doesn’t imply association with the school.

Which names?