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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a scam.  These TT schools are full of legacy and big donors.  Whatever success the schools have is baked in.  The parents are well connected and wealthy, of course they all have good outcome.  The schools do very little in college outcome but charging obscene amount of tuition.

If your kid is actually smart, you wouldn't need TT schools to get in a good college.  Yes, mediocre kids are sent here to pretend there is "rigor".  What a joke.[/quote]

Simply untrue for the vast majority of the student body. Where are people getting this info?[/quote]

This is true. Well, that and ED which is what many of these kids do, which is essentially wealthy kid affirmative action. Signals to the school = I will pay full freight [/quote]

To say that they aren’t rigorous - huh? They’re absolute pressure-cookers. The amount of work is bonkers. And the grading curve is also pretty strict. But if you truly think the students are dumb - and I don’t view this as a measure of intelligence, just an easy way to compare a certain level of aptitude - but the average sat scores at them are higher than almost any other school in the nation. This includes the dumb, lazy rich kids. And please don’t say it’s because of tutors. Once again, the vast majority of us don’t get any personal tutorship, but the school provides extra help. [/quote]

Analytical fail.

Look, I have had dc in both NYC private and SHS public and I know of what I speak. There are absolutely rigorous private schools, of course, I didn’t say anything to contradict that, and the dc certainly aren’t dumb. But if you’ve ever had a kid in an SHS, you will know that there is incredible rigor there too, and many of those kids are simply incredible, and earned their way there through sheer force of will without much financial support. If you’re going to tell me the majority of the private school kids don’t have a whole extra level of support, you’re just a liar (test prep up the whazoo, private college counselors, etc).

But if you compare their college emission stats, you might think that these SHS kids are less impressive than the TT kids. Why? Because they aren’t legacy, they aren’t donating money and significantly, many/most are not doing ED because they need to shop for the best merit and financial aid at schools. The TT kids ED far more often as a group from my experience.

It is interesting to me how so many TT private parents sniff about the SHS kids not being so great. I can tell you that this doesn’t really happen much in the reverse. These parents are typically working their assess off, and saving for their kids college etc. 
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Forgive me if I came across that way. I wasn’t trying to compare NYC private schools to SHS public,a nd it’s not fair of me to do that if i did. And there’s absolutely no way that i said dc kids are dumb. Of course, private school kids have an extra level of support, BUT it’s not because of wealth.

There are a lot of very rich people, but the majority of us came/come from normal backgrounds. For example, my brother and sister had nearly full tuition covered, and when I was at trinity, I had about 3/4 of my tuition through financial aid. WIthout it we couldn’t have afforded these schools.

The extra level of support is one of the benefits of going to a TT private school. If you’re lucky enough to get in, they have the ability to provide the support and nurture their students. That’s undeniably a good thing, and without it, i doubt my siblings and i would have gotten into the universities we went to, as is the case with a lot of my friends. And ultimately, it’s not a competition over who works harder, etc. School for us was incredibly hard, the amount of work we had was absolutely crazy - as i’m sure it is anywhere - but again, we needed to rise to the occasion, seek help where we needed it, and pursue the things we wanted to do. No one forced us to do that.

My point was simply that to say they arent rigorous is just untrue. They’re incredibly difficult schools where competition is absolutely fierce because the student body - including the rich kids - are wildly intelligent and ambitious. This isn’t meant to take away from SHS public schools or imply that they’re easier - nothing like that. challenges, talent, and academic rigor isn’t zero sum. But our experiences at our schools was by and large a positive one. Which isn’t to say there aren’t huge flaws. There are. But a lot of assumptions people make are just flat-out wrong. As though there’s this weird mystique that people are so quick to judge without any real information. Like really? You think the 8 people who got into harvard, 7 people who got into princeton and yale were all the children of fabulously wealthy people? Come on.

What private schools did your kid go to? My sibs are still involved with Dalton and I’m still involved with Trinity. Possible we’ve crossed paths at some point.[/quote]

Look, I’m not going to out myself but if you’re talking anything current, you’ll know that basically almost all of the kids who got into HYP the last several years from those schools were full pay. I didn’t say they were ‘fabulously wealthy’ but they had enough money that they paid sticker price. Again I’ll comment that ED is UMC affirmative action.

You are apparently so out of touch with reality that a regular old UMC lawyer/doctor/professional type family feels ‘poor’ to you.

And if you’ve ever been involved with SHS, it is just very different. Sure, there are middle class and UMC families here and there, but there are also tons of families of very modest means and they aren’t having their kids ED HYP because they are shopping for merit aid. [/quote]

And I never said they were poor, but many private schools will offer some aid to families that make up to 400k in some cases. And yes, I do know. I’m still active in the school, as are my siblings, and my nephew is currently there. Why is this a disagreement? It’s just a fact. It’s not a debate. [/quote]

Bingo. And this is why you are so clueless. Yes, some MC UMC families- especially with multiple children - may get *some* aid at TT schools - sure, bc an HHI is considered not rich to these people, but an HHI of 400k will not get you a cent of financial aid in college. And these ‘poorer’ families still have enough money to put their dc into SAT prep classes etc. And if you tell me they don’t, I will know you are delusional or a liar. So don’t tell me that the ‘TT kids have such high SAT tests scores, and it has nothing to do with paid prep’.

You apparently have no idea how most students live. Sad for you. All that education and you’re so myopic [/quote]

Why are you so rude? You’re just disparaging and acting like a jerk. Prove it. Prove to the board that the accepted students to the top schools all come from wealthy families. Surely you must know. Show us. Show us the number of people with >10m in assets. Show us that only urm’s and and the rich get into top schools. We’ll wait.[/quote]

10 mil is a bit low for donor-level wealth.  I’d say closer to 30. [/quote]

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