% FARMS means diddly

[Anonymous]

Recently 6 NY City schools were named 2013 National Blue Ribbon schools. 4 of the 6 schools have 40 or more percent of students receiving free or reduced price lunch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently 6 NY City schools were named 2013 National Blue Ribbon schools. 4 of the 6 schools have 40 or more percent of students receiving free or reduced price lunch.

The National Blue Ribbon Schools Program is a United States government program created in 1982 to honor schools which have achieved high levels of performance or made significant improvements in closing the achievement gap in schools where at least 40% of the student population is classified as disadvantaged.

So yeah, I'd expect 40% or more in some cases.

[Anonymous]

The program is not just that. Read up a little more.

[Anonymous]

Great, so you'll be enrolling your kid in a non-Wilson general enrollment DCPS high school any day now, right?

[Anonymous]

OK 8:38 again -- with that said, I can see how this might be useful to someone apprehensive of living in a nicer part of say the Einstein or Stuart districts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently 6 NY City schools were named 2013 National Blue Ribbon schools. 4 of the 6 schools have 40 or more percent of students receiving free or reduced price lunch.

No one variable is perfectly correlated, I bet the schools in question have a high percentage of Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently 6 NY City schools were named 2013 National Blue Ribbon schools. 4 of the 6 schools have 40 or more percent of students receiving free or reduced price lunch.

No one variable is perfectly correlated, I bet the schools in question have a high percentage of Asians.

Wait, doesn't it go against Asian culture to take handouts?

[Anonymous]

Wow, what nice informed responses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently 6 NY City schools were named 2013 National Blue Ribbon schools. 4 of the 6 schools have 40 or more percent of students receiving free or reduced price lunch.

No one variable is perfectly correlated, I bet the schools in question have a high percentage of Asians.

You lose your bet. Please think carefully about your assumptions.

Here are the 4 schools with 40% or more FARMS (see http://www.uft.org/news/6-new-york-city-schools-designated-2013-national-blue-ribbon-schools ):

PS 46, the Alley Pond School, District 26, Queens. In 2010-2011, 98% FARMS, 52% black, 45% Latino, 1% Asian: https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/AOR-2011-310500010046.pdf
PS 66, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis School, District 27, Queens. In 2010-2011, 75% FARMS, 88% black, 8% Latino, 2% Asian: https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/AOR-2011-331800010066.pdf
PS 222, Katherine R. Snyder School, District 22, Brooklyn. In 2010-2011, 60% FARMS, 21% black, 14% Latino, 17% Asian: https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/AOR-2011-332200010222.pdf
PS 247, the NYC College Partnership Elementary School, District 20, Brooklyn. In 2010-2011, 89% FARMS, 1% black, 13% Latino, 46% Asian: https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/AOR-2011-332000010247.pdf

(Yes, one of the four schools has a high percentage of Asians; that is "school", not "schools".)

[Anonymous]

Selection bias:

http://www2.ed.gov/programs/nclbbrs/eligibility.html

"At least one-third of the public schools nominated by each state must be schools with at least 40 percent of their students from disadvantaged backgrounds."

The National Blue Ribbon campaign for these schools measures progress, not actual achievement:

"Exemplary Improving Schools: Schools with at least 40 percent of their students from disadvantaged backgrounds that have made the most progress in improving student performance on state assessments or assessments referenced against national norms in reading (English language arts) and mathematics in the most recent five years."

So, I challenge the premise of your misleading and inflammatory subject line.

[Anonymous]

because, the other category is "exemplary high performing schools."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:because, the other category is "exemplary high performing schools."

But, as it happens, all 6 of the NYC schools are "exemplary high performing schools", not "exemplary improving schools".

I disagree with the OP that % FARMS means diddly -- while % FARMS is not pre-destination, it obviously does mean a lot. Nonetheless, the PPs should get their facts straight. All of this stuff is easy to find on Google.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:because, the other category is "exemplary high performing schools."

But, as it happens, all 6 of the NYC schools are "exemplary high performing schools", not "exemplary improving schools".

I disagree with the OP that % FARMS means diddly -- while % FARMS is not pre-destination, it obviously does mean a lot. Nonetheless, the PPs should get their facts straight. All of this stuff is easy to find on Google.

Surely you understand this is anomalous, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:because, the other category is "exemplary high performing schools."

But, as it happens, all 6 of the NYC schools are "exemplary high performing schools", not "exemplary improving schools".

I disagree with the OP that % FARMS means diddly -- while % FARMS is not pre-destination, it obviously does mean a lot. Nonetheless, the PPs should get their facts straight. All of this stuff is easy to find on Google.

Surely you understand this is anomalous, right?

Yes. That's what I said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:because, the other category is "exemplary high performing schools."

But, as it happens, all 6 of the NYC schools are "exemplary high performing schools", not "exemplary improving schools".

I disagree with the OP that % FARMS means diddly -- while % FARMS is not pre-destination, it obviously does mean a lot. Nonetheless, the PPs should get their facts straight. All of this stuff is easy to find on Google.

Surely you understand this is anomalous, right?

Yes. That's what I said.

So, it's not in any way the case that FARMs % means "diddly" -- on the contrary, there's still a helluva lot more failure associated with schools with high FARMS. It's a shame, but it's also reality.