Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

[Anonymous]

I think they’re going to have to appeal.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they’re going to have to appeal.

Well they should take it to the Admiralty courts. Otherwise the DOJ has no authority.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they’re going to have to appeal.

Well they should take it to the Admiralty courts. Otherwise the DOJ has no authority.

There is no point in appeal and I think that is what Judge Cannon wants. She wants the other political hacks at the 11th circuit and SC to rule re executive privilege.

[Anonymous]

Couldn’t the special master just look through it all and conclude none of it is Trump’s personal sh——?

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Anonymous wrote:So people here are upset because the DOJ has an independent person looking at their investigation. Got it.

No, people are upset that Trump is being given special treatment, with a court actually ordering a significant arm of a criminal investigation frozen because Trump wants the government to return evidence against him. How many other subjects of criminal investigations get to file a shitty brief and then have the court say, "No, sorry government, you can't move forward with your investigation because it might make this person look bad if they're indicted"?

This is why it’s so important for the Dems to hold onto the Senate so that Biden can continue to get his judges confirmed. It’s all about the judges. Vote blue no matter who.

Huh. And I thought justice was blind. Silly me

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone break this down for me?
I don’t understand what this means for the investigation.
Non existent EP aside.
How does this play out?
- music major

It delays everything.

No, the ODNI is still able to proceed with the damage assessment, which includes getting fingerprints on the evidence and tracking it.

No. The judge said everything must stop. The ruling said even things not in dispute in terms of EP and ACP must be reviewed and nothing can be done with anything. She stop the investigation. DOJ and ODNI are the executive branch and as such the rule applies to all EB. Biden has to step in and issue a formal statement saying he does not extend EP to trump with these documents. Biden has already issues a form statement saying he has delegated the national archives to look into this issue and the NA has said there is no EP. The corrupt judge said Biden has not said anything about EP. The DOJ is the executive branch and therefore EP does not apply because they are the same.

It is the stupid ruling ever. It’s like she does not understand the how the law works. This will open appeals on any cases she has presided over.

The decision says the national security risk investigation will continue. I don’t recall the precise wording, but what she enjoined is the criminal investigation of Trump related to what was seized.

And that's the heart of why these ruling is so stupid. She's stopping the executive branch from engaging in one function - criminal investigation - while allowing it to engage in another - protecting national security.

Isn't the biggest problem that this is a separation of powers issue? A judge has ordered a criminal investigation to stop. How many defense attorneys are now going to go to court to get a similar injunction?

That is by far the biggest issue here. What authority does she have to enjoin a criminal investigation? She doesn’t cite any, and lots of criminal attorneys say they have never seen such an injunction. The SM is very odd in this situation, but ultimately doesn’t really matter much.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn’t the special master just look through it all and conclude none of it is Trump’s personal sh——?

Not without DOJ having to basically litigate the evidence before they even indict him? That’s what it seems like is going in here.

For example, medical records that were mingled in the boxes of classified records are personal records but may have dates on them that make a timeline apparent. His passports being in the same drawer as classified information could also relevant evidence. None of this should be up for discussion before trial. If he wants to say it was an illegal search, he can do that, but he hasn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn’t the special master just look through it all and conclude none of it is Trump’s personal sh——?

Not without DOJ having to basically litigate the evidence before they even indict him? That’s what it seems like is going in here.

For example, medical records that were mingled in the boxes of classified records are personal records but may have dates on them that make a timeline apparent. His passports being in the same drawer as classified information could also relevant evidence. None of this should be up for discussion before trial. If he wants to say it was an illegal search, he can do that, but he hasn’t.

Exactly. The fact that he had personal stuff in the same boxes if very relevant to his knowledge. He will undoubtedly claim he had no idea what was in those boxes down the basement and a bunch of worker bees just put them there without his knowledge. If his passports or medical records were there too, that is good evidence to show in fact knew about them and possibly put stuff in there himself.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how ODNI can continue its review if DOJ is barred from reviewing the documents pending review by the special master. Won't ODNI need information/evidence from DOJ about who might have handled or had access to the documents while they were at Mar-a-Lago in order to evaluate the extent of any harm to national security? How is ODNI going to get that information if they cannot discuss the documents with DOJ?

To this point, can ODNI intervene somehow to seek clarification of the order or request reconsideration? It seems like the most effective way to get the court to reconsider this moronic decision is if ODNI points out that it cannot carry out a critical national security risk assessment without being able to talk to DOJ about these documents and the related investigation.

The US is already a party. DOJ represents the US government and imicutly represents ODNI as a stakeholder. In this case the National Security Division of DOJ is running the show.

But the judge thinks that DOJ is not part of the executive branch otherwise how can there be executive privilege?

The ruling is absurdly illogical and incoherent.

She should write the truth: I’m a doormat for trump! I have wiped my @$$ with the constitution. #MAGAgarbage

Call her Chambers and tell her what you think and call before they change her number.

772-467-2340

That’s not going to do anything but drive some poor secretary or clerk nuts. She’s not an elected official, public opinion is irrelevant to her (as it should be - regardless of the merits of this decision, judges should make decisions based on the law, not public opinion).

It doesn't appear that this judge made her decision based on law but based on her a$$king her benefactor. In any case, I felt better telling her what I think of her.

She will never hear your message. I get the upset, I think this is outrageous also, but what you’re encouraging people to do won’t have any impact on the judge, it will be a lower level worker who had nothing to do with the decision that will be abused.

If you work for people like this, you deserve to be abused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So people here are upset because the DOJ has an independent person looking at their investigation. Got it.

No, you do not "get" it. Stop displaying your ignorance and stupidity even if it is anonymously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn’t the special master just look through it all and conclude none of it is Trump’s personal sh——?

Not without DOJ having to basically litigate the evidence before they even indict him? That’s what it seems like is going in here.

For example, medical records that were mingled in the boxes of classified records are personal records but may have dates on them that make a timeline apparent. His passports being in the same drawer as classified information could also relevant evidence. None of this should be up for discussion before trial. If he wants to say it was an illegal search, he can do that, but he hasn’t.

Even the medical records might not be owned by him. For instance, his covid treatment.

The insane thing about this ruling is that it's structured such that he has to have an ownership interest in the items, which he doesn't because they are all government property.

[Anonymous]

“Judge” Cannon thinks meth dealers should get their lab equipment back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So people here are upset because the DOJ has an independent person looking at their investigation. Got it.

No, people are upset that Trump is being given special treatment, with a court actually ordering a significant arm of a criminal investigation frozen because Trump wants the government to return evidence against him. How many other subjects of criminal investigations get to file a shitty brief and then have the court say, "No, sorry government, you can't move forward with your investigation because it might make this person look bad if they're indicted"?

This is why it’s so important for the Dems to hold onto the Senate so that Biden can continue to get his judges confirmed. It’s all about the judges. Vote blue no matter who.

Huh. And I thought justice was blind. Silly me

Well, when the GOP corrupts the system with people like Kavanaugh, Barrett and Cannon, what do you expect?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So people here are upset because the DOJ has an independent person looking at their investigation. Got it.

No, people are upset that Trump is being given special treatment, with a court actually ordering a significant arm of a criminal investigation frozen because Trump wants the government to return evidence against him. How many other subjects of criminal investigations get to file a shitty brief and then have the court say, "No, sorry government, you can't move forward with your investigation because it might make this person look bad if they're indicted"?

This is why it’s so important for the Dems to hold onto the Senate so that Biden can continue to get his judges confirmed. It’s all about the judges. Vote blue no matter who.

Huh. And I thought justice was blind. Silly me

It is not a court of justice. It is a court of law. Big difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they’re going to have to appeal.

Well they should take it to the Admiralty courts. Otherwise the DOJ has no authority.

How would admiralty court have jurisdiction over a non-maritime case?