CTCL schools

[Anonymous]

Dennison is the only good school on the list. Reed is highly selective but too liberal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges that Change Lives. Originally a book by Loren Pope, CTCL is now an organization.

CTCL.org

This is the right answer. Many on the list are decent second or third tier LACs that are good options for kids interested in that route, but many more are questionable in quality and financial health and very well may go bankrupt in the near- to mid-future. As with any college list, I would do due diligence when researching. Also, the list is positively unknown outside of those who are affiliated with the organization or have attended one of the associated schools, so it's not much use using the term outside of DCUM.

TY for the tip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dennison is the only good school on the list. Reed is highly selective but too liberal.

Denison. Denison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges that Change Lives. Originally a book by Loren Pope, CTCL is now an organization.

CTCL.org

This is the right answer. Many on the list are decent second or third tier LACs that are good options for kids interested in that route, but many more are questionable in quality and financial health and very well may go bankrupt in the near- to mid-future. As with any college list, I would do due diligence when researching. Also, the list is positively unknown outside of those who are affiliated with the organization or have attended one of the associated schools, so it's not much use using the term outside of DCUM.

TY for the tip.

NP here. Technically CTCL is non-profit (so you can look up their 990) and they use a subscription model (colleges are paying to be included).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges that Change Lives. Originally a book by Loren Pope, CTCL is now an organization.

CTCL.org

This is the right answer. Many on the list are decent second or third tier LACs that are good options for kids interested in that route, but many more are questionable in quality and financial health and very well may go bankrupt in the near- to mid-future. As with any college list, I would do due diligence when researching. Also, the list is positively unknown outside of those who are affiliated with the organization or have attended one of the associated schools, so it's not much use using the term outside of DCUM.

TY for the tip.

NP here. Technically CTCL is non-profit (so you can look up their 990) and they use a subscription model (colleges are paying to be included).

PP here. I should have included /s as I know many folks who've graduated from CTCL schools and not one of them uses the term. Guessing a fair percentage - if not most or all - of them are completely unaware of the acronym.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges that Change Lives. Originally a book by Loren Pope, CTCL is now an organization.

CTCL.org

This is the right answer. Many on the list are decent second or third tier LACs that are good options for kids interested in that route, but many more are questionable in quality and financial health and very well may go bankrupt in the near- to mid-future. As with any college list, I would do due diligence when researching. Also, the list is positively unknown outside of those who are affiliated with the organization or have attended one of the associated schools, so it's not much use using the term outside of DCUM.

TY for the tip.

NP here. Technically CTCL is non-profit (so you can look up their 990) and they use a subscription model (colleges are paying to be included).

PP here. I should have included /s as I know many folks who've graduated from CTCL schools and not one of them uses the term. Guessing a fair percentage - if not most or all - of them are completely unaware of the acronym.

Hmm. Then it is odd that it is ranked #17 of Amazon's top 100 college guidebooks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges that Change Lives. Originally a book by Loren Pope, CTCL is now an organization.

CTCL.org

This is the right answer. Many on the list are decent second or third tier LACs that are good options for kids interested in that route, but many more are questionable in quality and financial health and very well may go bankrupt in the near- to mid-future. As with any college list, I would do due diligence when researching. Also, the list is positively unknown outside of those who are affiliated with the organization or have attended one of the associated schools, so it's not much use using the term outside of DCUM.

TY for the tip.

NP here. Technically CTCL is non-profit (so you can look up their 990) and they use a subscription model (colleges are paying to be included).

PP here. I should have included /s as I know many folks who've graduated from CTCL schools and not one of them uses the term. Guessing a fair percentage - if not most or all - of them are completely unaware of the acronym.

Hmm. Then it is odd that it is ranked #17 of Amazon's top 100 college guidebooks.

People should probably seek a more recent book to help research colleges. This book was originally written in 1996, last updated by the author in 2006, and last updated almost 10 years ago by the estate of the author.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges that Change Lives. Originally a book by Loren Pope, CTCL is now an organization.

CTCL.org

This is the right answer. Many on the list are decent second or third tier LACs that are good options for kids interested in that route, but many more are questionable in quality and financial health and very well may go bankrupt in the near- to mid-future. As with any college list, I would do due diligence when researching. Also, the list is positively unknown outside of those who are affiliated with the organization or have attended one of the associated schools, so it's not much use using the term outside of DCUM.

TY for the tip.

NP here. Technically CTCL is non-profit (so you can look up their 990) and they use a subscription model (colleges are paying to be included).

PP here. I should have included /s as I know many folks who've graduated from CTCL schools and not one of them uses the term. Guessing a fair percentage - if not most or all - of them are completely unaware of the acronym.

Hmm. Then it is odd that it is ranked #17 of Amazon's top 100 college guidebooks.

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[Anonymous]

One thing to note about these schools--to get a sense of how academically rigorous the schools are, don't look at selectivity via admission rates, rather look at the middle 50% of GPA/SAT to get a sense of the caliber of students they are selecting, their success in PhD placement (NSF publishes this), and the criteria for getting strong merit aid and how much they give (that will tell you the size and caliber of the top group of students).With small SLACs the students that apply aren't throwing their hat in the ring of a reach school etc.--they choose a school that they have figured out is a good fit, or are choosing it as a financial/selectivity safety. So you could have 70% acceptance, but have GPA/SAT that are still in the top 25% nationally. Or you could have 70% acceptance where scores/GPA are more at the national median etc. So sometimes the schools that have seemingly higher acceptance rates actually have higher caliber students because more top students see it as a viable safety or are primarily seeking merit aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing to note about these schools--to get a sense of how academically rigorous the schools are, don't look at selectivity via admission rates, rather look at the middle 50% of GPA/SAT to get a sense of the caliber of students they are selecting, their success in PhD placement (NSF publishes this), and the criteria for getting strong merit aid and how much they give (that will tell you the size and caliber of the top group of students).With small SLACs the students that apply aren't throwing their hat in the ring of a reach school etc.--they choose a school that they have figured out is a good fit, or are choosing it as a financial/selectivity safety. So you could have 70% acceptance, but have GPA/SAT that are still in the top 25% nationally. Or you could have 70% acceptance where scores/GPA are more at the national median etc. So sometimes the schools that have seemingly higher acceptance rates actually have higher caliber students because more top students see it as a viable safety or are primarily seeking merit aid.

Hang on -- you can find out the undergrad institutions of PhD graduates? Where? VERY curious to see this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges that Change Lives. Originally a book by Loren Pope, CTCL is now an organization.

CTCL.org

This is the right answer. Many on the list are decent second or third tier LACs that are good options for kids interested in that route, but many more are questionable in quality and financial health and very well may go bankrupt in the near- to mid-future. As with any college list, I would do due diligence when researching. Also, the list is positively unknown outside of those who are affiliated with the organization or have attended one of the associated schools, so it's not much use using the term outside of DCUM.

TY for the tip.

NP here. Technically CTCL is non-profit (so you can look up their 990) and they use a subscription model (colleges are paying to be included).

PP here. I should have included /s as I know many folks who've graduated from CTCL schools and not one of them uses the term. Guessing a fair percentage - if not most or all - of them are completely unaware of the acronym.

Hmm. Then it is odd that it is ranked #17 of Amazon's top 100 college guidebooks.

People should probably seek a more recent book to help research colleges. This book was originally written in 1996, last updated by the author in 2006, and last updated almost 10 years ago by the estate of the author.

I cant be sure, but when I read PP's comment I was pretty certain it was humorous editorial comment about what seems to matter here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing to note about these schools--to get a sense of how academically rigorous the schools are, don't look at selectivity via admission rates, rather look at the middle 50% of GPA/SAT to get a sense of the caliber of students they are selecting, their success in PhD placement (NSF publishes this), and the criteria for getting strong merit aid and how much they give (that will tell you the size and caliber of the top group of students).With small SLACs the students that apply aren't throwing their hat in the ring of a reach school etc.--they choose a school that they have figured out is a good fit, or are choosing it as a financial/selectivity safety. So you could have 70% acceptance, but have GPA/SAT that are still in the top 25% nationally. Or you could have 70% acceptance where scores/GPA are more at the national median etc. So sometimes the schools that have seemingly higher acceptance rates actually have higher caliber students because more top students see it as a viable safety or are primarily seeking merit aid.

Hang on -- you can find out the undergrad institutions of PhD graduates? Where? VERY curious to see this.

This table of stats regarding science PhD production is a little old but may be helpful. The data used to generate the table can be found publicly, I think.
https://www.thecollegesolution.com/50-schools-that-produce-the-most-science-and-engineering-phds/

I'm pretty sure CTCLs do even better in humanities than science and engineering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing to note about these schools--to get a sense of how academically rigorous the schools are, don't look at selectivity via admission rates, rather look at the middle 50% of GPA/SAT to get a sense of the caliber of students they are selecting, their success in PhD placement (NSF publishes this), and the criteria for getting strong merit aid and how much they give (that will tell you the size and caliber of the top group of students).With small SLACs the students that apply aren't throwing their hat in the ring of a reach school etc.--they choose a school that they have figured out is a good fit, or are choosing it as a financial/selectivity safety. So you could have 70% acceptance, but have GPA/SAT that are still in the top 25% nationally. Or you could have 70% acceptance where scores/GPA are more at the national median etc. So sometimes the schools that have seemingly higher acceptance rates actually have higher caliber students because more top students see it as a viable safety or are primarily seeking merit aid.

Hang on -- you can find out the undergrad institutions of PhD graduates? Where? VERY curious to see this.

This table of stats regarding science PhD production is a little old but may be helpful. The data used to generate the table can be found publicly, I think.
https://www.thecollegesolution.com/50-schools-that-produce-the-most-science-and-engineering-phds/

I'm pretty sure CTCLs do even better in humanities than science and engineering.

Here's another table that uses the data and goes beyond science and engineering: https://www.collegetransitions.com/infographics/top-feeders-phd-programs

[Anonymous]

I am not sure why this post confused people:

<<it is ranked #17 of Amazon's top 100 college guidebooks.>>

This is seriously, the current ranking of the Colleges That Change Life book on Amazon.

[Anonymous]

And here's a link to NSF study results from 2013 that led to the table from "thecollegesolution.com" liked to above: https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf13323/

See Table 4 for institutional yield--the number of science and engineering doctorate recipients per 100 bachelor's degrees awarded.