the Key/ASFS building switch...

Anonymous
That's not what I was saying. ASFS was a neighborhood school/team hybrid and Key was a hybrid of sorts, too, being both an option and a neighborhood school. If you lived in the Key zone, you had guaranteed admittance to either school. I have seen comments that people are angry that they don't still have those guarantees, hence the "hogging" comment. The policy had to change, it was right for it to change, because kids should have equal opportunity to attend programs regardless of where they live. If they had made Key a purely neighborhood school last year, that would've meant moving immersion sooner. Is that what you are saying? They should've made the switch already? They can't both be option schools. To make ASFS the neighborhood school but keep Key countywide doesn't seem to make sense from a transportation perspective. They'd have to draw odd boundaries, increasing transportation costs, to make it work. If this were meeting some other objective, like balancing diversity, or maintaining access for Latino populations, it might make sense, but it doesn't appear to do either of those things. I suspect the one-time cost of moving the program is lower than the ongoing cost of keeping it where it is. I don't think they're doing this for sh**s and giggles.


Transportation costs for which set of students? Moving Key to ASFS will require an extra bus to bus the current 40 Key walkers to ASFS. Although moving ASFS to Key "appears" to create a bigger walk zone (because technically, all of Lyon Village should be able to walk), they won't move the Lyon Village PUs along Kirkwood from Taylor. Because if they did that, it would move almost 200 new students into ASFS which means moving out 200 of the "current community" which would be devastating and contradictory to Dr. Murphy's justification for the swap-- remember, this swap is all about keeping ASFS' current community together! So they get rid of 1-2 busses for the Planning Units right around Key, which means they save approximately one bus by this swap. The Rosslyn and Courthouse/Clarendon PUs will still have to be bussed because of Wilson, Clarendon Blvd and Lee Hwy. Just keep the schools where they are, or move the Key program and have two neighborhood schools. It's ridiculous for the taxpayers to pay for a swap when it does nothing to address the capacity issues in the area (made evident by APS' repeated statements that it will still need to move current ASFS PUs after the swap is done). Move or swap Immersion with a school that will allow Immersion to thrive, not die. And as much fun as we like to make of the ASFS' science lab-- a lot of money and time went into building that lab in that space. Whether it is the holy grail of science labs, I don't know, but it would be a shame to rip it all (or partly) out just to appease the "current" ASFS community. Leave it where it is--ASFS can pick a new focus when it moves or rebuild with their "community" but we, the taxpayers, should not have to foot the bill for this nonsensical plan of APS.

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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.
Anonymous
"Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA"


Could be.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.


If it didn’t become APS property upon donation, it shouldn’t be allowed on school property at all. The inequity of this type of private donation being on school property in a wealthy part of the county is mind boggling.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.


I think they don't understand what 'donated' means. At this point it most certainly does belong to APS. If what you mean is 'leant' well then the lender can come get it I guess.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

This is bs. There are branded benches but why would those be extremely expensive to move? They were class gifts and there are only two of them I think. The desks in the library look identical to the ones in central library and at Washington and Lee library. Why would someone donate something identical to what aps provides for free? Are the wash lee and central library tables also donations?!?
Leave the built in tanks— they are like the tanks at a dental office. Not integrated into curriculum and just eye candy that costs a lot of pta money to maintain. Someone with an actual kid at asfs please tell me how they have contributed to your kids education. My kids only interaction with it was when she got to sign up to feed the fish in third grade.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.


If it didn’t become APS property upon donation, it shouldn’t be allowed on school property at all. The inequity of this type of private donation being on school property in a wealthy part of the county is mind boggling.


I agree. Parents shouldn't be able to privatize a school from the inside out by putting expensive stuff inside it.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

This is bs. There are branded benches but why would those be extremely expensive to move? They were class gifts and there are only two of them I think. The desks in the library look identical to the ones in central library and at Washington and Lee library. Why would someone donate something identical to what aps provides for free? Are the wash lee and central library tables also donations?!?
Leave the built in tanks— they are like the tanks at a dental office. Not integrated into curriculum and just eye candy that costs a lot of pta money to maintain. Someone with an actual kid at asfs please tell me how they have contributed to your kids education. My kids only interaction with it was when she got to sign up to feed the fish in third grade.


Yes, leave the tanks. How do you say fish in Spanish?

I’m ok leaving the science lab too but know a few people are attached to it. But most of the big donors for the lab have already moved on - or will by the swap.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

This is bs. There are branded benches but why would those be extremely expensive to move? They were class gifts and there are only two of them I think. The desks in the library look identical to the ones in central library and at Washington and Lee library. Why would someone donate something identical to what aps provides for free? Are the wash lee and central library tables also donations?!?
Leave the built in tanks— they are like the tanks at a dental office. Not integrated into curriculum and just eye candy that costs a lot of pta money to maintain. Someone with an actual kid at asfs please tell me how they have contributed to your kids education. My kids only interaction with it was when she got to sign up to feed the fish in third grade.



Apparently, APS provided crappy wooden chairs and tables in the library. The stuff in ASFS' library was privately funded. No big deal, just move it and let Key bring their crappy APS furniture with them. That I can live with, but yeah, pulling out fish tanks and the science lab to "move" with ASFS? Fixtures that stay with the building. If ASFS wanted that stuff so badly, maybe they should have rallied to keep the school where it is instead of attacking everyone who wanted it to stay put. You can't have your cake and eat it too-- you either get a building in your neighborhood, or the current program/building outside your neighborhood. But all these parents who are so happy thinking they got both now are dreaming. Some of the staff have already started looking for new positions elsewhere and the tools that the remaining staff rely on to teach their lessons (like the ponds, the lab, etc.) will be gone so the program has to change-- who knows, maybe for the better? But I wouldn't want to be there for the first five years while they work out the kinks and try to find their new "focus" or program.
Anonymous
So many miserable, nasty people.
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That's not what I was saying. ASFS was a neighborhood school/team hybrid and Key was a hybrid of sorts, too, being both an option and a neighborhood school. If you lived in the Key zone, you had guaranteed admittance to either school. I have seen comments that people are angry that they don't still have those guarantees, hence the "hogging" comment. The policy had to change, it was right for it to change, because kids should have equal opportunity to attend programs regardless of where they live. If they had made Key a purely neighborhood school last year, that would've meant moving immersion sooner. Is that what you are saying? They should've made the switch already? They can't both be option schools. To make ASFS the neighborhood school but keep Key countywide doesn't seem to make sense from a transportation perspective. They'd have to draw odd boundaries, increasing transportation costs, to make it work. If this were meeting some other objective, like balancing diversity, or maintaining access for Latino populations, it might make sense, but it doesn't appear to do either of those things. I suspect the one-time cost of moving the program is lower than the ongoing cost of keeping it where it is. I don't think they're doing this for sh**s and giggles.


Transportation costs for which set of students? Moving Key to ASFS will require an extra bus to bus the current 40 Key walkers to ASFS. Although moving ASFS to Key "appears" to create a bigger walk zone (because technically, all of Lyon Village should be able to walk), they won't move the Lyon Village PUs along Kirkwood from Taylor. Because if they did that, it would move almost 200 new students into ASFS which means moving out 200 of the "current community" which would be devastating and contradictory to Dr. Murphy's justification for the swap-- remember, this swap is all about keeping ASFS' current community together! So they get rid of 1-2 busses for the Planning Units right around Key, which means they save approximately one bus by this swap. The Rosslyn and Courthouse/Clarendon PUs will still have to be bussed because of Wilson, Clarendon Blvd and Lee Hwy. Just keep the schools where they are, or move the Key program and have two neighborhood schools. It's ridiculous for the taxpayers to pay for a swap when it does nothing to address the capacity issues in the area (made evident by APS' repeated statements that it will still need to move current ASFS PUs after the swap is done). Move or swap Immersion with a school that will allow Immersion to thrive, not die. And as much fun as we like to make of the ASFS' science lab-- a lot of money and time went into building that lab in that space. Whether it is the holy grail of science labs, I don't know, but it would be a shame to rip it all (or partly) out just to appease the "current" ASFS community. Leave it where it is--ASFS can pick a new focus when it moves or rebuild with their "community" but we, the taxpayers, should not have to foot the bill for this nonsensical plan of APS.



Key is a larger building, they will be able to zone in the walkable Lyon Village PUs without zoning out Rosslyn. So yes, it will reduce busing costs/lengths and it will not create the need for insane boundaries where everyone else has to be bused around that school. They're going to take out the lab at ASFS because then it can be converted back into classroom space. I am sure that ASFS made an initial list during the process of all the costly things that would "have" to move with them, to make it look like a less attractive proposition. But none of those things "have" to move. APS already stated there was a cap on moving costs. And besides, it's all APS's property now, do with as they see fit. That's what happens when you use private money for a public good. It can be redistributed, destroyed, whatever. This should serve as a reminder to all PTAs and parents that you don't own specific schools or the items you donate. But I appreciate your concern (trolling) for the destruction of that lab, when the good children of Cherrydale could have made such use of it, and your "concern" for the Immersion program which will surely be destroyed if it's moved a mile to a different Anglo neighborhood. Sorry it didn't work out for you.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

This is bs. There are branded benches but why would those be extremely expensive to move? They were class gifts and there are only two of them I think. The desks in the library look identical to the ones in central library and at Washington and Lee library. Why would someone donate something identical to what aps provides for free? Are the wash lee and central library tables also donations?!?
Leave the built in tanks— they are like the tanks at a dental office. Not integrated into curriculum and just eye candy that costs a lot of pta money to maintain. Someone with an actual kid at asfs please tell me how they have contributed to your kids education. My kids only interaction with it was when she got to sign up to feed the fish in third grade.



Apparently, APS provided crappy wooden chairs and tables in the library. The stuff in ASFS' library was privately funded. No big deal, just move it and let Key bring their crappy APS furniture with them. That I can live with, but yeah, pulling out fish tanks and the science lab to "move" with ASFS? Fixtures that stay with the building. If ASFS wanted that stuff so badly, maybe they should have rallied to keep the school where it is instead of attacking everyone who wanted it to stay put. You can't have your cake and eat it too-- you either get a building in your neighborhood, or the current program/building outside your neighborhood. But all these parents who are so happy thinking they got both now are dreaming. Some of the staff have already started looking for new positions elsewhere and the tools that the remaining staff rely on to teach their lessons (like the ponds, the lab, etc.) will be gone so the program has to change-- who knows, maybe for the better? But I wouldn't want to be there for the first five years while they work out the kinks and try to find their new "focus" or program.


The vast majority of ASFS Parents were perfectly content leaving the school where it is. Most were upset about having half the school population split to two other schools; there is no real reason to not maintain the status quo except some modest transport costs.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.


If it didn’t become APS property upon donation, it shouldn’t be allowed on school property at all. The inequity of this type of private donation being on school property in a wealthy part of the county is mind boggling.


I agree. Parents shouldn't be able to privatize a school from the inside out by putting expensive stuff inside it.


Well, at least now I have an excuse to not to donate to the PTA.
Anonymous
I think ASFS folk may end up with buyer’s remorse when they realize they can’t bring their bling and APS doesn’t have the funds to renovate Key. . . and probably won’t for another decade! . I guess the up side is that Key’s urban location makes it easier to zone in a more diverse student body, something lacking in most North Arlington neighborhood schools. As an outsider to the process, I’m still trying to figure out why ASFS thinks this is a great idea, or maybe there isn’t consensus? It just seems like such a narrow interest being served and a whopper of an expense.
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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.


"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...


Private email traffic from ASFS parent.


Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.


Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.


If it didn’t become APS property upon donation, it shouldn’t be allowed on school property at all. The inequity of this type of private donation being on school property in a wealthy part of the county is mind boggling.


I agree. Parents shouldn't be able to privatize a school from the inside out by putting expensive stuff inside it.


Well, at least now I have an excuse to not to donate to the PTA.


Like you really needed an excuse to be a cheapskate.

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