Wall Street Journal on rampant growth in percentage of college students with “disabilities”

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Anonymous wrote:”...This greatly alarmed the College Board that the population of students receiving accommodation did not mirror the rest of the population.”

I honestly don’t understand why it would alarm anyone that the special needs population doesn’t mirror the rest of the population. Of course they don’t. They receive accommodations specifically because they are unlike the rest of the population. Some special needs kids are brilliant but cannot show what they know without accommodations. Others are severely impaired and their performance on standardized tests falls well below average no matter what accommodations they receive. If your child was neither brilliant nor severely impaired, you probably wouldn’t spend thousands of dollars pursuing accommodations that might not make any significant difference in the college admissions process.

+1000 I would consider my DS in the brilliant category, but unfortunately when he succeeds, people automatically assume we are "gaming the system." Honestly, I really don't give a damn.

They should. What these findings are saying is that either too much time was given for those needing accommodations that the tests became unfair as everyone had “too”much time and hence scores increased) and/or there is more gaming of the system.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it is illegal to discriminate against people with disabilities.

And if you don't think many people bear negative misconceptions about people who need testing accommodations (i.e. those with learning disabilities), read the previous posts in this thread.

Disclosure does not equal discrimination. Discrimination remains illegal when disclosure is required. Students usually disclose a variety of other facts that could lead to discrimination like race, religion, gender identity, and it is illegal to discriminate based on those factors.

But it not illegal to disclose race, gender, etc. Medical diagnoses are protected by HIPPA. It’s illegal to disclose these without a waiver.

But if your child had diabetes instead of ADHD, would you mind if colleges knew that they were permitted breaks during testing to check their blood sugar and have a snack? If your child had dyslexia, would you mind if colleges knew that they used audio recordings for the reading passages? Why does it only seem to be the parents of kids with ADHD diagnoses who are scared that someone will find out? Someone with ADHD is no different than anyone else with a chronic illness, and support and accomodations will be required throughout life. Why perpetuate the stigma and teach your kids to be ashamed?

PP back. I have a kid at TJ and am very open IRL about my kid being 2e. Because not enough people there are, and when you start connecting with other parents, and sharing resources and supporting each other, it is so much easier, and you feel so much less isolated. I am also the PP who said that I think my kid should disclose ADHD on his college applications. But that is my choice as a parent. And is transitioning into being my kid’s choice as he matures. I am not ashamed of my kids’ (plural) ADHD diagnoses.

But, ADHD is a medical diagnosis. For which my kid sees a medical doctor on a regular basis and takes medication. HIPPA is their for a reason. And as your post shows, discrimination is real. I choose to be open about ADHD for exactly the reasons you cite. There should be no stigma. And the more people who talk about their experience, the less stigma there will me. I want other parents of of 2e kids to know, TJ can work for 2e kids. Here is how we made it work, if you are looking for resources. Other parents and kids have the right to handle the disclosure of their medical information. And if you think that every kid who applies to college is open about dyslexia, you don’t know many dyslexics who apply to college. They face a similar dilemma on disclosure. People with diabetes should also be allowed to decide whether to disclose. And I am sure all of them don’t. HIPPA is there for a reason.

This has been answered time and time again for 22 pages. At this point, you don’t want to understand the rationale. If colleges were getting less qualified candidates, they would stop using the college board. Some are test optional.

Immigrants didn’t take your job. And a kid with ADHD did not rob your kid of Dream College. And your 1370 kid with no LD would not score a 1500 with unlimited time. Run an experiment. Get a reliable SAT prep book. Have you kid take a normally timed SAT and a 1.5 time SAT, which is the standard accommodation. I guarantee you the score will not rise 130 points. It might not rise at all.

Maybe your kid just isn’t a 4.0/1500 student no matter what the circumstances. Cope with it and quit blaming of kids for your kid being well above average instead of top 1%.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be okay with testing accommodations if the student's test score and academic transcripts indicated that testing accomodations were used. What isn't fair is that people want both the advantage of testing accomodations and the privacy of pretending that those accomodations were not used and that their child was able to take the same exact test in the exact same conditions.

Why do you feel the need to have your kid compete against a kid with special needs. You are basically saying you want your kid to have an advantage with this statement.

Not the pp, but why should a kid with typical ability who has worked hard to achieve an SAT score of 1350 and a GPA of 3.7 under standard time constraints, often running out of time on tests (because, you know, that actually happens to typical kids too) lose a spot at a college to a kid who had extra or unlimited time to turn their 1350 into a 1500 and their 3.7 into a 4.0? There is no such thing as a level playing field when kids who are perfectly capable are getting accomodations to get ahead. The college has no idea who needed or didn’t need accommodations, or who got or didn’t get accomodations, and therefore can’t judge who will be most successful in their program.

Well to bad. The kids who actually have the diagnosis have a condition that prevents them from demon strating their true capabilities. Your kid does not have that disadvantage. Hence the extra time for the disadvantaged kid to create the level playing field. I am sorry your kid is too dumb to get a good SAT score. That is just the way it is. Mine happens to be gifted and the extra time gives him the opportunity to demonstrated that he is.

Then you shouldn’t care then if his/her scores are flagged that extra time was given since he is gifted....

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Anonymous wrote:I would be okay with testing accommodations if the student's test score and academic transcripts indicated that testing accomodations were used. What isn't fair is that people want both the advantage of testing accomodations and the privacy of pretending that those accomodations were not used and that their child was able to take the same exact test in the exact same conditions.

Why do you feel the need to have your kid compete against a kid with special needs. You are basically saying you want your kid to have an advantage with this statement.

I don't see why this has become personal but the fact is one of my kids would likely have qualified for testing accomodations, both extra time and writing accomodations. This was an option that some teachers thought we should look into. So no, I am not against kids who have invisible special needs or who have to struggle so much more than other kids for the same result, but I still don't think that pretending that they took the same exact test is fair either.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be okay with testing accommodations if the student's test score and academic transcripts indicated that testing accomodations were used. What isn't fair is that people want both the advantage of testing accomodations and the privacy of pretending that those accomodations were not used and that their child was able to take the same exact test in the exact same conditions.

Why do you feel the need to have your kid compete against a kid with special needs. You are basically saying you want your kid to have an advantage with this statement.

Not the pp, but why should a kid with typical ability who has worked hard to achieve an SAT score of 1350 and a GPA of 3.7 under standard time constraints, often running out of time on tests (because, you know, that actually happens to typical kids too) lose a spot at a college to a kid who had extra or unlimited time to turn their 1350 into a 1500 and their 3.7 into a 4.0? There is no such thing as a level playing field when kids who are perfectly capable are getting accomodations to get ahead. The college has no idea who needed or didn’t need accommodations, or who got or didn’t get accomodations, and therefore can’t judge who will be most successful in their program.

Well to bad. The kids who actually have the diagnosis have a condition that prevents them from demon strating their true capabilities. Your kid does not have that disadvantage. Hence the extra time for the disadvantaged kid to create the level playing field. I am sorry your kid is too dumb to get a good SAT score. That is just the way it is. Mine happens to be gifted and the extra time gives him the opportunity to demonstrated that he is.

Then you shouldn’t care then if his/her scores are flagged that extra time was given since he is gifted....

You can say that forever. What is it about medical privacy you don’t get. You want to send your entire medical chart in with your resume? Then we can talk mandating disclosure of medical conditions to college. Maybe you are in perfect health with a 25 BMI and great cholesterol and not pre-diabetic and no BRACA gene and no abnormal Pap smears or abortions and no STDs, etc. but 80% of Americans are not. In fact, POTUS apparently can’t even be honest about his pre-election health exam. Which every member of the military must undergo to serve.

I’m sorry your kids scores disappoint you. Trying to make my kids scores lower are not going to raise them any. Or make her GPA higher. Geez. Personal responsibility and all that.

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This has been answered time and time again for 22 pages. At this point, you don’t want to understand the rationale. If colleges were getting less qualified candidates, they would stop using the college board. Some are test optional.

Immigrants didn’t take your job. And a kid with ADHD did not rob your kid of Dream College. And your 1370 kid with no LD would not score a 1500 with unlimited time. Run an experiment. Get a reliable SAT prep book. Have you kid take a normally timed SAT and a 1.5 time SAT, which is the standard accommodation. I guarantee you the score will not rise 130 points. It might not rise at all.

Maybe your kid just isn’t a 4.0/1500 student no matter what the circumstances. Cope with it and quit blaming of kids for your kid being well above average instead of top 1%.

Actually the college board studies show otherwise. And definitely with extra time, a kid can raise the math portion or subject test. And definitely the ACT. The problem is these tests scores are also used to determine NM scholars which in turn impacts scholarship money. Just give everyone the extended time. Those who get it today should have NO problem if it was given to everyone unless you are afraid your kid is really not that smart and was using the extended time as an unfair accomodation over other kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be okay with testing accommodations if the student's test score and academic transcripts indicated that testing accomodations were used. What isn't fair is that people want both the advantage of testing accomodations and the privacy of pretending that those accomodations were not used and that their child was able to take the same exact test in the exact same conditions.

Why do you feel the need to have your kid compete against a kid with special needs. You are basically saying you want your kid to have an advantage with this statement.

I don't see why this has become personal but the fact is one of my kids would likely have qualified for testing accomodations, both extra time and writing accomodations. This was an option that some teachers thought we should look into. So no, I am not against kids who have invisible special needs or who have to struggle so much more than other kids for the same result, but I still don't think that pretending that they took the same exact test is fair either.

They did take the exact same test. So there is that.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be okay with testing accommodations if the student's test score and academic transcripts indicated that testing accomodations were used. What isn't fair is that people want both the advantage of testing accomodations and the privacy of pretending that those accomodations were not used and that their child was able to take the same exact test in the exact same conditions.

Why do you feel the need to have your kid compete against a kid with special needs. You are basically saying you want your kid to have an advantage with this statement.

Not the pp, but why should a kid with typical ability who has worked hard to achieve an SAT score of 1350 and a GPA of 3.7 under standard time constraints, often running out of time on tests (because, you know, that actually happens to typical kids too) lose a spot at a college to a kid who had extra or unlimited time to turn their 1350 into a 1500 and their 3.7 into a 4.0? There is no such thing as a level playing field when kids who are perfectly capable are getting accomodations to get ahead. The college has no idea who needed or didn’t need accommodations, or who got or didn’t get accomodations, and therefore can’t judge who will be most successful in their program.

Well to bad. The kids who actually have the diagnosis have a condition that prevents them from demon strating their true capabilities. Your kid does not have that disadvantage. Hence the extra time for the disadvantaged kid to create the level playing field. I am sorry your kid is too dumb to get a good SAT score. That is just the way it is. Mine happens to be gifted and the extra time gives him the opportunity to demonstrated that he is.

Then you shouldn’t care then if his/her scores are flagged that extra time was given since he is gifted....

You can say that forever. What is it about medical privacy you don’t get. You want to send your entire medical chart in with your resume? Then we can talk mandating disclosure of medical conditions to college. Maybe you are in perfect health with a 25 BMI and great cholesterol and not pre-diabetic and no BRACA gene and no abnormal Pap smears or abortions and no STDs, etc. but 80% of Americans are not. In fact, POTUS apparently can’t even be honest about his pre-election health exam. Which every member of the military must undergo to serve.

I’m sorry your kids scores disappoint you. Trying to make my kids scores lower are not going to raise them any. Or make her GPA higher. Geez. Personal responsibility and all that.

As soon as you drag politics into it, you lose all credibility

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Anonymous wrote:I would be okay with testing accommodations if the student's test score and academic transcripts indicated that testing accomodations were used. What isn't fair is that people want both the advantage of testing accomodations and the privacy of pretending that those accomodations were not used and that their child was able to take the same exact test in the exact same conditions.

Why do you feel the need to have your kid compete against a kid with special needs. You are basically saying you want your kid to have an advantage with this statement.

Not the pp, but why should a kid with typical ability who has worked hard to achieve an SAT score of 1350 and a GPA of 3.7 under standard time constraints, often running out of time on tests (because, you know, that actually happens to typical kids too) lose a spot at a college to a kid who had extra or unlimited time to turn their 1350 into a 1500 and their 3.7 into a 4.0? There is no such thing as a level playing field when kids who are perfectly capable are getting accomodations to get ahead. The college has no idea who needed or didn’t need accommodations, or who got or didn’t get accomodations, and therefore can’t judge who will be most successful in their program.

Well to bad. The kids who actually have the diagnosis have a condition that prevents them from demon strating their true capabilities. Your kid does not have that disadvantage. Hence the extra time for the disadvantaged kid to create the level playing field. I am sorry your kid is too dumb to get a good SAT score. That is just the way it is. Mine happens to be gifted and the extra time gives him the opportunity to demonstrated that he is.

Then you shouldn’t care then if his/her scores are flagged that extra time was given since he is gifted....

You can say that forever. What is it about medical privacy you don’t get. You want to send your entire medical chart in with your resume? Then we can talk mandating disclosure of medical conditions to college. Maybe you are in perfect health with a 25 BMI and great cholesterol and not pre-diabetic and no BRACA gene and no abnormal Pap smears or abortions and no STDs, etc. but 80% of Americans are not. In fact, POTUS apparently can’t even be honest about his pre-election health exam. Which every member of the military must undergo to serve.

I’m sorry your kids scores disappoint you. Trying to make my kids scores lower are not going to raise them any. Or make her GPA higher. Geez. Personal responsibility and all that.

As soon as you drag politics into it, you lose all credibility

No. There is a mindset in thus country that my failures must be someone else’s fault. Quit looking for someone else to blame because you are disappointed by your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Most parents get their kids tested because they SEE them struggling, not before that happens. It is not a decision made quickly or easily.

Yes, this "advantages" upper SES families. That is a deep flaw in our system, not something awful that those families are doing to get an edge on lower income kids. They have more resources to help their children. No crime there.

I think the posters on this thread who have been talking about their child's "real" disability diagnosed in elementary versus those supposedly shady diagnoses made in high school are pretty gross and morally bankrupt. They come across as annoyed that lower-income kids (who are far more likely to be diagnosed later in their lives) are horning in on some privilege they unlocked.

You can't simultaneously support accommodation for your own child while decrying those for kids whose diagnoses were made on a timeline different than your own child's. Either you support accommodation for disability or you don't.

Who said anything about lower income kids? The ones I know who did this are upper class.

That's because you hang out with wealthy people, FFS. It is your selection bias However, in general it is poorer kids who are more likely to get diagnosed later, so what you are really complaining about when you complain about accommodation for high school diagnoses is accommodation for kids less advantaged than your own, and that is gross.

Why would you say it is gross if I had no idea I was complaining about that? Like you said, I hang out with wealthy people and that is who I was complaining about. You seem uptight.

Gross and thoughtless, then.

Uptight and unhappy then.

You are really not doing much to dispel the idea that many parents are just seeking to game the system. Why are you so threatened by the idea that a child other than yours might get an accommodation? If caring about what happens to kids other than my own makes me uptight and unhappy in your eyes, I can deal with that.

I am not threatened at all. My kid has accommodations and got them legitimately as a 2nd grader. Its the ones who want to get a good score on the SAT who suddenly feel the need to get a diagnosis. That is clearly gaming the system and just hurting those of us who are playing by the rules.

There is also a school of thought that the more suspect diagnoses are those made earlier because they are more likely to be the result of pushy and educated parents. Maybe you could stop trying to make every diagnosis other than your own child's suspect and accept that you aren't the arbitrator of disability.

Hello again. We got our diagnosis at age 7 when teachers expressed concern. No pushy parent antics here. In fact the teacher provided accommodations before our official diagnosis as it took time to get the appointment with the psychologist, etc. And we re-evaluated again in middle school -- same diagnosis. So no reason for any suspicion with this early diagnosis. Nice try.

College Board and ACT are the ones who find late diagnoses suspect. And rightly so. I don't believe for a second that so many students can suddenly at age 15 discover that they have ADHD. Yes there are a few instances where it can happen, but not at the level it is occurring. I do buy the middle school diagnoses, however, because I know that with my DS, middle school became a much bigger challenge with having multiple classes/teachers, so I can see how the symptoms can be more obvious all of a sudden. And in 6th grade, SAT tests are not on parents' radar as much as in 9th or 10th grade.

Finally, with regard to financially disadvantaged families. If they are truly disadvantaged, they are likely in a public school. Public schools will provide testing for kids who truly have issues. I know if it were my son (who was in a private), he would have gotten the free testing.

"We" got "our" diagnosis? Ugh. Now I understand more why you think only "your" accommodation should be honored. You paid for private school and are annoyed that those public school kids might get the same accommodations. That is indeed awful, but luckily you don't have any say. Public school children who are disabled will also get accommodation, unfortunately for you.

I have to say, you are taking the cake as far as showing appalling entitlement, so much so that I wonder if you are a troll trying to make parents of kids with disabilities look bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Most parents get their kids tested because they SEE them struggling, not before that happens. It is not a decision made quickly or easily.

Yes, this "advantages" upper SES families. That is a deep flaw in our system, not something awful that those families are doing to get an edge on lower income kids. They have more resources to help their children. No crime there.

I think the posters on this thread who have been talking about their child's "real" disability diagnosed in elementary versus those supposedly shady diagnoses made in high school are pretty gross and morally bankrupt. They come across as annoyed that lower-income kids (who are far more likely to be diagnosed later in their lives) are horning in on some privilege they unlocked.

You can't simultaneously support accommodation for your own child while decrying those for kids whose diagnoses were made on a timeline different than your own child's. Either you support accommodation for disability or you don't.

Who said anything about lower income kids? The ones I know who did this are upper class.

That's because you hang out with wealthy people, FFS. It is your selection bias However, in general it is poorer kids who are more likely to get diagnosed later, so what you are really complaining about when you complain about accommodation for high school diagnoses is accommodation for kids less advantaged than your own, and that is gross.

Why would you say it is gross if I had no idea I was complaining about that? Like you said, I hang out with wealthy people and that is who I was complaining about. You seem uptight.

Gross and thoughtless, then.

Uptight and unhappy then.

You are really not doing much to dispel the idea that many parents are just seeking to game the system. Why are you so threatened by the idea that a child other than yours might get an accommodation? If caring about what happens to kids other than my own makes me uptight and unhappy in your eyes, I can deal with that.

I am not threatened at all. My kid has accommodations and got them legitimately as a 2nd grader. Its the ones who want to get a good score on the SAT who suddenly feel the need to get a diagnosis. That is clearly gaming the system and just hurting those of us who are playing by the rules.

There is also a school of thought that the more suspect diagnoses are those made earlier because they are more likely to be the result of pushy and educated parents. Maybe you could stop trying to make every diagnosis other than your own child's suspect and accept that you aren't the arbitrator of disability.

Hello again. We got our diagnosis at age 7 when teachers expressed concern. No pushy parent antics here. In fact the teacher provided accommodations before our official diagnosis as it took time to get the appointment with the psychologist, etc. And we re-evaluated again in middle school -- same diagnosis. So no reason for any suspicion with this early diagnosis. Nice try.

College Board and ACT are the ones who find late diagnoses suspect. And rightly so. I don't believe for a second that so many students can suddenly at age 15 discover that they have ADHD. Yes there are a few instances where it can happen, but not at the level it is occurring. I do buy the middle school diagnoses, however, because I know that with my DS, middle school became a much bigger challenge with having multiple classes/teachers, so I can see how the symptoms can be more obvious all of a sudden. And in 6th grade, SAT tests are not on parents' radar as much as in 9th or 10th grade.

Finally, with regard to financially disadvantaged families. If they are truly disadvantaged, they are likely in a public school. Public schools will provide testing for kids who truly have issues. I know if it were my son (who was in a private), he would have gotten the free testing.

"We" got "our" diagnosis? Ugh. Now I understand more why you think only "your" accommodation should be honored. You paid for private school and are annoyed that those public school kids might get the same accommodations. That is indeed awful, but luckily you don't have any say. Public school children who are disabled will also get accommodation, unfortunately for you.

I have to say, you are taking the cake as far as showing appalling entitlement, so much so that I wonder if you are a troll trying to make parents of kids with disabilities look bad.

You completely misread my post. The issue with the less advantaged families is that many are saying that somehow they did not have access to getting their kids a 504 in elementary school. It is easy to do this. You do not need to hire an outside organization and just work with the school. So I don't buy the idea that most kids who are getting a diagnosis in high school are from poor families. Most are from very affluent families paying for their extra time.

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Anonymous wrote:Most parents get their kids tested because they SEE them struggling, not before that happens. It is not a decision made quickly or easily.

Yes, this "advantages" upper SES families. That is a deep flaw in our system, not something awful that those families are doing to get an edge on lower income kids. They have more resources to help their children. No crime there.

I think the posters on this thread who have been talking about their child's "real" disability diagnosed in elementary versus those supposedly shady diagnoses made in high school are pretty gross and morally bankrupt. They come across as annoyed that lower-income kids (who are far more likely to be diagnosed later in their lives) are horning in on some privilege they unlocked.

You can't simultaneously support accommodation for your own child while decrying those for kids whose diagnoses were made on a timeline different than your own child's. Either you support accommodation for disability or you don't.

Who said anything about lower income kids? The ones I know who did this are upper class.

That's because you hang out with wealthy people, FFS. It is your selection bias However, in general it is poorer kids who are more likely to get diagnosed later, so what you are really complaining about when you complain about accommodation for high school diagnoses is accommodation for kids less advantaged than your own, and that is gross.

Why would you say it is gross if I had no idea I was complaining about that? Like you said, I hang out with wealthy people and that is who I was complaining about. You seem uptight.

Gross and thoughtless, then.

Uptight and unhappy then.

You are really not doing much to dispel the idea that many parents are just seeking to game the system. Why are you so threatened by the idea that a child other than yours might get an accommodation? If caring about what happens to kids other than my own makes me uptight and unhappy in your eyes, I can deal with that.

I am not threatened at all. My kid has accommodations and got them legitimately as a 2nd grader. Its the ones who want to get a good score on the SAT who suddenly feel the need to get a diagnosis. That is clearly gaming the system and just hurting those of us who are playing by the rules.

There is also a school of thought that the more suspect diagnoses are those made earlier because they are more likely to be the result of pushy and educated parents. Maybe you could stop trying to make every diagnosis other than your own child's suspect and accept that you aren't the arbitrator of disability.

Hello again. We got our diagnosis at age 7 when teachers expressed concern. No pushy parent antics here. In fact the teacher provided accommodations before our official diagnosis as it took time to get the appointment with the psychologist, etc. And we re-evaluated again in middle school -- same diagnosis. So no reason for any suspicion with this early diagnosis. Nice try.

College Board and ACT are the ones who find late diagnoses suspect. And rightly so. I don't believe for a second that so many students can suddenly at age 15 discover that they have ADHD. Yes there are a few instances where it can happen, but not at the level it is occurring. I do buy the middle school diagnoses, however, because I know that with my DS, middle school became a much bigger challenge with having multiple classes/teachers, so I can see how the symptoms can be more obvious all of a sudden. And in 6th grade, SAT tests are not on parents' radar as much as in 9th or 10th grade.

Finally, with regard to financially disadvantaged families. If they are truly disadvantaged, they are likely in a public school. Public schools will provide testing for kids who truly have issues. I know if it were my son (who was in a private), he would have gotten the free testing.

"We" got "our" diagnosis? Ugh. Now I understand more why you think only "your" accommodation should be honored. You paid for private school and are annoyed that those public school kids might get the same accommodations. That is indeed awful, but luckily you don't have any say. Public school children who are disabled will also get accommodation, unfortunately for you.

I have to say, you are taking the cake as far as showing appalling entitlement, so much so that I wonder if you are a troll trying to make parents of kids with disabilities look bad.

You completely misread my post. The issue with the less advantaged families is that many are saying that somehow they did not have access to getting their kids a 504 in elementary school. It is easy to do this. You do not need to hire an outside organization and just work with the school. So I don't buy the idea that most kids who are getting a diagnosis in high school are from poor families. Most are from very affluent families paying for their extra time.

I would just stop, if I were you. Every time you post, you sound worse and worse. My God.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be okay with testing accommodations if the student's test score and academic transcripts indicated that testing accomodations were used. What isn't fair is that people want both the advantage of testing accomodations and the privacy of pretending that those accomodations were not used and that their child was able to take the same exact test in the exact same conditions.

Why do you feel the need to have your kid compete against a kid with special needs. You are basically saying you want your kid to have an advantage with this statement.

I don't see why this has become personal but the fact is one of my kids would likely have qualified for testing accomodations, both extra time and writing accomodations. This was an option that some teachers thought we should look into. So no, I am not against kids who have invisible special needs or who have to struggle so much more than other kids for the same result, but I still don't think that pretending that they took the same exact test is fair either.

But my kid did take the same test. Your poor kid. You should have gotten him the accommodations. What a shitty parent you are.

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I actually don't think the extra time accommodations are a problem. I think the problem is how many parents are raising young adults to believe they are incompetent and can't make their way in the world without special accommodations. It's so hard to start life thinking there is something this wrong with you.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't think the extra time accommodations are a problem. I think the problem is how many parents are raising young adults to believe they are incompetent and can't make their way in the world without special accommodations. It's so hard to start life thinking there is something this wrong with you.

Actually it is raising kids to think it is okay to cheat the system and that they are entitled to....