APS Elementary Location Working Group 4/12
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Anonymous
This is the whole reason why Key went lottery only. |
Anonymous
NP, but, yes, that's the idea being bandied around. Campbell to Claremont, Claremont to Carlin Springs, and Carlin Springs to Campbell. All the Cs! No idea whether this scenario is seriously under consideration, though. |
Anonymous
What would be the reasoning behind it? To get a neighborhood school at Campbell instead of Carlin Springs? In that case why not just switch Campbell and Carlin Springs and leave Claremont alone? |
Anonymous
In that scenario it would be Campbell program moves to Claremont building, Claremont program moves to Carlin Springs building and Carlin Springs neighborhood school moves to Campbell building. |
Anonymous
Moving Claremont to Carlin Springs puts it closer to more native Spanish speakers than the current Claremont building (at least that's the case they are making- I have no idea what the actual numbers are) |
Anonymous
Campbell and Carlin Springs are two miles apart. Are there really so many families who want immersion but are put off by an extra two miles? I could see if we were talking about Who is pushing for this? People who would be walkable to Campbell? |
Anonymous
Yup, white flight is def a factor in which schools are crowded or not in SA. |
Anonymous
No, doubtful. They may not even be aware. The Campbell walk zone is heavily ELL and fr/l, and they gave very little feedback to the walk zone survey for either Carlin Springs or Campbell. This is simply an issue of moving kids off buses. They built Carlin Springs in a bad area for walking, because half of the walk zone is in another county. The majority of the walk zone is on the opposite side of Carlin Springs Road, and therefore few can safely walk despite proximity. Campbell happens to be on the side of Carlin Springs closer to where more kids live, and where theoretically a walk zone could be drawn where no students have to cross Carlin Springs. But that community may be very unpleasantly surprised to learn that they will have to now walk their kids to school. And it's a less nice facility than the much newer Carlin Springs building. It's not a great walking area (meaning, there are lots of traffic violations in this neighborhood and people there might find walking their young kids a huge inconvenience (it'd be a time suck, when they can just put them on a bus now). They feel differently about older kids who can safely walk themselves, and are happy to let them walk to Kenmore for MS. Also, it's my understanding that a lot of kids who are at Campbell do live in the walk zone. Theoretically, should they choose to follow EL if it moved, they would be bused to either Carlin Springs or Claremont. If the option schools are going to grow, that might be a lot of kids we're talking about. Generally, the feeling is Campbell does not want to move, but Claremont would be a more favorable site than Carlin Springs for EL. It seems like a lot of shuffling around for potentially small gain, when we're talking about moving three schools, two of which are options and will still require a lot of buses, possibly more than are needed now. Not sure that they've done that level of analysis yet. If you save 5 neighborhood buses, but have to add 6 for the option schools, then you've just wasted the expense and political capital of moving 2 or 3 schools for what? |
Anonymous
It is hard to square opening more seats at option programs with decreasing the number of buses needed as a whole. Now that EL will be county wide lottery, it will necessarily require more buses. Move it a bigger building and even more yet. |
Anonymous
And Barcroft is significantly undercapacity this year for the first time. Enrollment has dropped there significantly for the past three or four years under the prior principal. There is a new principal with higher expectations for the students and odds are quite good that enrollment will rise again. There are multiple reasons for the recent decline; but with additional housing projects and boundary adjustments both coming on in 2019, it shouldn't stay under-enrolled for long. Certainly not like Williamsburg under the new "balanced enrollment across middle schools." |
Anonymous
Who ever suggested that the new affordable housing units will go to Barcroft even if the rest of the Alcova neighborhood goes to Fleet? Isn't that kinda stupid? A better idea would be to reverse that and send the affordable housing residents to Fleet and keep the rest of Alcova at Barcroft. But when and where has anyone on staff or SB ever said they would entertain splitting a neighborhood based on housing type? Fleet may be more walkable; but the capacity and available seats at schools is a factor, too. Heaven knows FRL rates are not - SB members don't give a crap about that unless it's in their neighborhood -- then they make sure it doesn't increase. |
Anonymous
Interestingly, the FRL% at Barcroft has dropped as enrollment has dropped. It used to be around 65% or 66%. So what does that do to the theory that all the MC families are fleeing? |
Anonymous
| Look at the walk zone surveys, the planning unit with the new CAF is not in the walk zone to Fleet. Huge sections of Alcova are decidedly within the walk zone, but not as far south as the CAF. Not that the walk zone decides the boundary, but it makes it much easier to exclude that unit from Fleet. And, you are right that Fleet won't have the space, but how do you tell parents literally across the street in Alcova that they must be bused to Barcroft and cannot walk across the street to Fleet. |
Anonymous
| Campbell parent here. Yes, we are pretty uniformly against moving the school. We would love to get away from Carlin springs road, what a mess. We would love the large field space at Claremont. We would love the building at Carlin Springs. BUT, any move seriously screws the basis for the school's EL curriculum and that is really what the school is about - curriculum. |
Anonymous
Wasn't Campbell at the Claremont site before it moved to Campbell? So how does potentially move it back there 'screw the basis for the curriculum'. |