How to improve AAP and General Ed Together

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again. I made a suggestion about integrating lunch and recess as an example because someone asked me to give a suggestion. I asked for reasons why to or why not to implement this and no one wrote in to say there would be a problem. People did write back saying it would help AAP and general ed integration, so without any problem noted, I came to the conclusion that this is something FCPS can integrate into all schools. I'm looking for more suggestions like this that can help fix the current situation especially at the schools where there are problems. I don't need to be the author of the suggestions though.

Have you seriously read any of the responses on this thread? Or only the ones that parroted what you said?

Plenty of posters shared logistical reasons why open lunch time and seating based off grade would NOT work. Reasons given by many posters included cafeteria time, time and logistic constraints, most schools not having mixed homerooms in the middle of the day, and several other reasons.

Very few people said open lunch seating was a practical idea that should be implemented distric wide. In fact, most of the posts advocating open lunch times were by you alone.

+1000

OP just wants to highlight anything she agrees with and any other suggestions, opinions, etc are considered "venting" or "not evidence based" for her.

At our quite small for FCPS school, the lunchroom is so small. Kids stagger lunch between 10:30 am to nearly 1:30pm and barely have time to finish their meal at all if they stand in the lunch line.

I don't know how or why people think integrating lunch is going to be some big huge improvement to AAP and Gen Ed.

OP- what type of 'improvements' are you seeking? Academics improved for BOTH groups? It doesn't seem so. Socialization for AAP kids? That's what it seems like.

If your AAP kid needs help with socializing there are plenty of therapy groups in this area that specialize in just that sort of thing with socialization classes and groups.

[Anonymous]

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I've already identified enough about the school. It attempts to integrate. It attempts to teach everyone at the most advanced level they can handle. It attempts to help students who are struggling. It's not a perfect school though and not all schools work the same way so I don't want people to get hung up on those details. FCPS also has other issues than just AAP that muddy why AAP and general ed don't always work well.

I don't know why parents in FCPS don't want all students to do well. I guess I'm just hoping there are enough parents with kids both in AAP and general ed or who just care about making the system work for everyone and have some good suggestions and are willing to be flexible. My kids don't attend a center, so I can't make suggestions for schools I don't have enough details on. It's obvious there are some problems though that could be fixed with some tweaks to the boundaries and the way the program is implemented.

Why would you say this? For someone so vocally against anecdotal evidence, you seem to have no problem relying on it to make insulting generalizations.

Only her annecdotal evidence counts for facts here.

I'm not against anecdotal evidence. What I am against is venting - there has already been enough on this board - and anecdotal evidence that covers only one side. If you're going to make a suggestion, I just ask that you give at least anecdotal evidence that shows support for both general ed and AAP. Sorry if that was confusing.

To create change that is mutually beneficial, less venting and arguing and more negotiating will help. Similar to the venn diagrams where you try to find things that work for both sides and also look at opposing arguments and what is different about each group. At the very least, any opinion should be substantiated by addressing opposing views. Otherwise they are just one-sided.

Argument:
from the Latin, arguere~make clear/prove/accuse
An exchange between parties of diverging or opposing views in a mutual an attempt to persuade; commonly premised on winning advantage in a zero-sum encounter. Typically funded by emotional commitments to belief and principle.

Negotiation:
from the Latin, negotum~ business.
An engagement with others, with the intent of reaching an acceptably adaptive accommodation. premised on a belief in an achievable outcome which possesses agreeable and fair mutual benefits across the board. Typically funded by a need to resolve problems through reason and sharing of data without any intention of adding to said problems inadvertently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're going to make a suggestion, I just ask that you give at least anecdotal evidence that shows support for both general ed and AAP. Sorry if that was confusing.

Meet the needs of the student in the program they are receiving services from in the building where it is a best fit for them.

That's a great academic goal. If you add something like "Each building should promote school unity and treat all students within it in an equitable manner" I think you have the gist of what most parents are looking for socially and academically in a school. Students shouldn't be treated the same, but resources should be disseminated fairly based on student's needs.

If this is the goal then, what are the current problems and what are the possible solutions?

If this and other threads are any indication, some big issues aren't about whether services received are equitable but about how people feel in their school. These are matters of emotion rather than logic and have fueled fiery debates on this board for years. They won't be resolved by platitudes or because someone clapped their hands together and said "OK people lets get down to work and solve this thing, tell me your ideas!" It is my belief that these are in many cases school specific issues best handled by the schools. I can't offer much in the way of specific problems because my school (White Oaks) does not seem to be a hotspot of AAP/Gen Ed tensions. As such, it would be difficult to recommend possible solutions to issues happening half a county away about which I have only hearsay information from this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again. I made a suggestion about integrating lunch and recess as an example because someone asked me to give a suggestion. I asked for reasons why to or why not to implement this and no one wrote in to say there would be a problem. People did write back saying it would help AAP and general ed integration, so without any problem noted, I came to the conclusion that this is something FCPS can integrate into all schools. I'm looking for more suggestions like this that can help fix the current situation especially at the schools where there are problems. I don't need to be the author of the suggestions though.

Have you seriously read any of the responses on this thread? Or only the ones that parroted what you said?

Plenty of posters shared logistical reasons why open lunch time and seating based off grade would NOT work. Reasons given by many posters included cafeteria time, time and logistic constraints, most schools not having mixed homerooms in the middle of the day, and several other reasons.

Very few people said open lunch seating was a practical idea that should be implemented distric wide. In fact, most of the posts advocating open lunch times were by you alone.

+1000

OP just wants to highlight anything she agrees with and any other suggestions, opinions, etc are considered "venting" or "not evidence based" for her.

At our quite small for FCPS school, the lunchroom is so small. Kids stagger lunch between 10:30 am to nearly 1:30pm and barely have time to finish their meal at all if they stand in the lunch line.

I don't know how or why people think integrating lunch is going to be some big huge improvement to AAP and Gen Ed.

OP- what type of 'improvements' are you seeking? Academics improved for BOTH groups? It doesn't seem so. Socialization for AAP kids? That's what it seems like.

If your AAP kid needs help with socializing there are plenty of therapy groups in this area that specialize in just that sort of thing with socialization classes and groups.

My kid does not need help with anything. Again. Our school is just fine. It is doing great academically and socially. The lunch thing was just one suggestion at the request of someone to give one. I was really hoping the people who have been spending years venting here would have some of their own solutions. No one said mixing kids for lunch and recess would be a HUGE improvement. I do think it would be an improvement socially for both general ed and AAP children though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're going to make a suggestion, I just ask that you give at least anecdotal evidence that shows support for both general ed and AAP. Sorry if that was confusing.

Meet the needs of the student in the program they are receiving services from in the building where it is a best fit for them.

That's a great academic goal. If you add something like "Each building should promote school unity and treat all students within it in an equitable manner" I think you have the gist of what most parents are looking for socially and academically in a school. Students shouldn't be treated the same, but resources should be disseminated fairly based on student's needs.

If this is the goal then, what are the current problems and what are the possible solutions?

If this and other threads are any indication, some big issues aren't about whether services received are equitable but about how people feel in their school. These are matters of emotion rather than logic and have fueled fiery debates on this board for years. They won't be resolved by platitudes or because someone clapped their hands together and said "OK people lets get down to work and solve this thing, tell me your ideas!" It is my belief that these are in many cases school specific issues best handled by the schools. I can't offer much in the way of specific problems because my school (White Oaks) does not seem to be a hotspot of AAP/Gen Ed tensions. As such, it would be difficult to recommend possible solutions to issues happening half a county away about which I have only hearsay information from this board.

I have seen arguments about social issues as well as services not being equitable. Some examples: people have said their child doesn't get any enrichment because they aren't in AAP and level 3 instruction isn't enough. Some parents are upset advanced math isn't offered at every school. Some schools offering even further enrichment for AAP students than at another center. Here's a recent one on comparing curriculum materials. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/590328.page. Social concerns are important and shouldn't be dismissed though. I think they should be addressed alongside academic concerns.

If White Oaks is doing great, then maybe you don't have any suggestions other than to explain why it's doing so well so others can replicate this at their school.

[Anonymous]

Not the White Oaks poster but one who knows some of the parents through the community.

The parents are really nice and not fixated on AAP. The community as a whole is not fixated on AAP.

That is what schools/community in that area are doing that helps to prevent AAP becoming the drama it is in the TJ mania areas.

[Anonymous]

I have seen arguments about social issues as well as services not being equitable. Some examples: people have said their child doesn't get any enrichment because they aren't in AAP and level 3 instruction isn't enough. Some parents are upset advanced math isn't offered at every school. Some schools offering even further enrichment for AAP students than at another center. Here's a recent one on comparing curriculum materials. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/590328.page. Social concerns are important and shouldn't be dismissed though. I think they should be addressed alongside academic concerns.

If White Oaks is doing great, then maybe you don't have any suggestions other than to explain why it's doing so well so others can replicate this at their school.

Your examples pretty much include their solutions. If Level 3 instruction is deficient it needs to be increased. I'm not familiar with it so can't suggest anything. And I don't think any parent is upset that advanced math isn't offered at every school. I think some parents are upset that advanced math isn't offered at their school. And they should be. The solution is to add it. I actually don't get caught up comparing my AAP experience to others, perhaps because TJ is not a goal. This brings us back to social concerns, which in many ways are more difficult and persistent. But the school administration or PTA seems to be the first stop on addressing such concerns, which is a reason it might be helpful to know at which schools these issues are most prevalent.

[Anonymous]

Maybe it is too hard to identify solutions for schools people don't know enough about. Maybe first there should be a list of problems and those should be analyzed at each school to see if they exist and solutions found on a school by school basis first. I think at some point though, the discussion needs to go beyond the school to the school board though because there are boundary issues that involve more than one school and general ed children are restricted to just one school. Also, it's just easier to implement change from the top rather than from the bottom with a couple of parents complaining to the PTA or the principal. So I don't think a school by school discussion is always the best method of solving FCPS's problems. Saying level 3 instruction needs to be increased and having that actually implemented are two different things.

So using this goal: Meet the needs of the student in the program they are receiving services from in the building where it is a best fit for them. Each building should promote school unity and treat all students within it in an equitable manner.

What are the current problems FCPS has in achieving this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again. I made a suggestion about integrating lunch and recess as an example because someone asked me to give a suggestion. I asked for reasons why to or why not to implement this and no one wrote in to say there would be a problem. People did write back saying it would help AAP and general ed integration, so without any problem noted, I came to the conclusion that this is something FCPS can integrate into all schools. I'm looking for more suggestions like this that can help fix the current situation especially at the schools where there are problems. I don't need to be the author of the suggestions though.

Have you seriously read any of the responses on this thread? Or only the ones that parroted what you said?

Plenty of posters shared logistical reasons why open lunch time and seating based off grade would NOT work. Reasons given by many posters included cafeteria time, time and logistic constraints, most schools not having mixed homerooms in the middle of the day, and several other reasons.

Very few people said open lunch seating was a practical idea that should be implemented distric wide. In fact, most of the posts advocating open lunch times were by you alone.

+1000

OP just wants to highlight anything she agrees with and any other suggestions, opinions, etc are considered "venting" or "not evidence based" for her.

At our quite small for FCPS school, the lunchroom is so small. Kids stagger lunch between 10:30 am to nearly 1:30pm and barely have time to finish their meal at all if they stand in the lunch line.

I don't know how or why people think integrating lunch is going to be some big huge improvement to AAP and Gen Ed.

OP- what type of 'improvements' are you seeking? Academics improved for BOTH groups? It doesn't seem so. Socialization for AAP kids? That's what it seems like.

If your AAP kid needs help with socializing there are plenty of therapy groups in this area that specialize in just that sort of thing with socialization classes and groups.

I agree that the logistics of lunch can make mixing kids at lunch nearly impossible. And remember Center == big recent influx of kids == overcrowded -- which means the lunchrooms are generally inadequate. They make lunch as short and and organized as possible.

Besides that, the super snarkiness is unnecessary. Most of the "integration" calls on this board come from GE parents who want their kids to integrate with AAP and GE parents who complain that AAP causes segregation in the school. I guess one could say to those parents that if the GE kids need help using their academic game there are plenty of enrichment classes and tutors in this area that specialize in helping their dim witted offspring. But that would be obnoxious.

My suggestion for improving AAP and GE? That the AAP parents keep showing the same restraint they usually do with the mean, nasty and butt hurt attitude of some GE parents. If the AAP parents ever decide to stop taking the high road and get down on the GE parents level, it will be ugly. Because apparently making mean comments assuming that AAP kids need social skills therapy is fine. Making a comment suggesting that GE kids are just not that bright, though, is beyond the pale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the extreme angst here about AAP classrooms has to do with a lot of you being of the generation that was told you're all SUPER special and entitled to a big prize.

Brace yourself, because here's the reality: not all of us are that bright, or athletic, or talented. And in this area, which is so status conscious and driven, it hurts that much more. So we can't handle it that our kids didn't score highly and go into certain programs, and we project our own issues onto them instead of teaching them self-acceptance, and how to find their strengths and passions themselves.

You're the one projecting here. Not everyone views AAP as a status item or something desirable. I could care less about status and what other people think. I know more than a handful of kids, including mine actually, whose parents CHOSE to keep them in GE even though they were accepted to an AAP center. In our case, the center is our base school and while it's the same physical building, the center is a school within a school and there's little integration.

It's incorrect to imply that all of the kids in GE are there because they're not "bright" enough to be in AAP and that they just didn't measure up. Speaking for myself and the parents I know who have made the same choice, we just don't agree with the premise that the center is the best place for our children or that they can only be challenged if they're surrounded by kids with comparable test scores. Most people disagree with us, but they have to make the right choice for their children, and that's fine. But when I say I'd rather that my child get to choose a different, non-center school where the classrooms aren't segregated and there's more of a normal range of abilities, I mean it.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again. I made a suggestion about integrating lunch and recess as an example because someone asked me to give a suggestion. I asked for reasons why to or why not to implement this and no one wrote in to say there would be a problem. People did write back saying it would help AAP and general ed integration, so without any problem noted, I came to the conclusion that this is something FCPS can integrate into all schools. I'm looking for more suggestions like this that can help fix the current situation especially at the schools where there are problems. I don't need to be the author of the suggestions though.

Have you seriously read any of the responses on this thread? Or only the ones that parroted what you said?

Plenty of posters shared logistical reasons why open lunch time and seating based off grade would NOT work. Reasons given by many posters included cafeteria size, time and logistic constraints, most schools not having mixed homerooms in the middle of the day, and several other reasons.

Very few people said open lunch seating was a practical idea that should be implemented distric wide. In fact, most of the posts advocating open lunch times were by you alone.

I didn't write in advocating for the mixed lunch other than making the suggestion and describing how it would help AAP and general ed students. Someone wrote in that their school had 1000 students and it worked, so that negated the one poster who thought cafeteria size was an issue. I think there is only one elementary at 1000 students and the rest are all smaller, often much smaller. Others also wrote in that the AAP students mixed and the general ed students mixed and they all ate at the same time but just separately. I don't see the logistical challenge in those classrooms mixing. Specials are often in the middle of the day and all schools now mix for them, so why would mixing for lunch and recess pose a problem? There is no academic issue to deal with. Right now a good number of center and LLIV schools mix for lunch and recess. Some of them don't but it's more likely that they don't because there has been no pressure to do so. Not because of a logistical challenge. If there are any, maybe FCPS could ask them to do something else to help with integration, but it just seems like more schools could mix based on the feedback given.

One poster saying her huge school mixes lunch does not negate all the other posters saying it wpuld not work at their schools.

The schools are not universal, not in size, student body, parenting types, achievement and certainly not building size/cafeterias.

NP here. I think what's clear is that some of you do not want AAP and Gen Ed kids to mix. At all. Not at lunch, not at recess, not in a box, not with a fox. There is NO reason they can't mix in a homeroom setting, where that class goes together on field trips, sits together at lunch or assemblies, has library time, class parties, etc. When class lists come out each August, Gen Ed and AAP kids should be placed in mixed homerooms. They switch anyway for core subjects, so I'm absolutely not seeing why this isn't going to work.

You might as well simply say, "We don't want our AAP kids mixing with your Gen Ed kids, period," because every nonsensical roadblock you continue to throw out makes this fact abundantly clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're going to make a suggestion, I just ask that you give at least anecdotal evidence that shows support for both general ed and AAP. Sorry if that was confusing.

Meet the needs of the student in the program they are receiving services from in the building where it is a best fit for them.

So then, Gen Ed kids who attend centers should be given the choice of attending a different base school that is not a center. Fair is fair, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again. I made a suggestion about integrating lunch and recess as an example because someone asked me to give a suggestion. I asked for reasons why to or why not to implement this and no one wrote in to say there would be a problem. People did write back saying it would help AAP and general ed integration, so without any problem noted, I came to the conclusion that this is something FCPS can integrate into all schools. I'm looking for more suggestions like this that can help fix the current situation especially at the schools where there are problems. I don't need to be the author of the suggestions though.

Have you seriously read any of the responses on this thread? Or only the ones that parroted what you said?

Plenty of posters shared logistical reasons why open lunch time and seating based off grade would NOT work. Reasons given by many posters included cafeteria size, time and logistic constraints, most schools not having mixed homerooms in the middle of the day, and several other reasons.

Very few people said open lunch seating was a practical idea that should be implemented distric wide. In fact, most of the posts advocating open lunch times were by you alone.

I didn't write in advocating for the mixed lunch other than making the suggestion and describing how it would help AAP and general ed students. Someone wrote in that their school had 1000 students and it worked, so that negated the one poster who thought cafeteria size was an issue. I think there is only one elementary at 1000 students and the rest are all smaller, often much smaller. Others also wrote in that the AAP students mixed and the general ed students mixed and they all ate at the same time but just separately. I don't see the logistical challenge in those classrooms mixing. Specials are often in the middle of the day and all schools now mix for them, so why would mixing for lunch and recess pose a problem? There is no academic issue to deal with. Right now a good number of center and LLIV schools mix for lunch and recess. Some of them don't but it's more likely that they don't because there has been no pressure to do so. Not because of a logistical challenge. If there are any, maybe FCPS could ask them to do something else to help with integration, but it just seems like more schools could mix based on the feedback given.

One poster saying her huge school mixes lunch does not negate all the other posters saying it wpuld not work at their schools.

The schools are not universal, not in size, student body, parenting types, achievement and certainly not building size/cafeterias.

NP here. I think what's clear is that some of you do not want AAP and Gen Ed kids to mix. At all. Not at lunch, not at recess, not in a box, not with a fox. There is NO reason they can't mix in a homeroom setting, where that class goes together on field trips, sits together at lunch or assemblies, has library time, class parties, etc. When class lists come out each August, Gen Ed and AAP kids should be placed in mixed homerooms. They switch anyway for core subjects, so I'm absolutely not seeing why this isn't going to work.

You might as well simply say, "We don't want our AAP kids mixing with your Gen Ed kids, period," because every nonsensical roadblock you continue to throw out makes this fact abundantly clear.

You are being too sensitive and only seeing what you want to see.

I am the poster you are responding too.

I, along with many, many other AAP parents, have repeatedly posted that at our kids' centers, gen ed and AAP kids happily mix for specials, recess, field trips and after school activities.

PP for whatever reason is fixated on lunch. And only lunch. And for whatever strange reason, she can't understand what many posters keep saying (including me and at both our base school and center) mixing kids in a special homeroom during the lunch hour so that all kids can have open lunch seating during lunch simply is not practical at many (if not most) fcps elementary schools. The cafeterias are too small. They are trying to schedule lunch for, in some cases, 40-50 classes, while allowing enough time for everyone to get through the lunch line, kindergarteners to have a reasonable, middle of the day time, with lunches running between 10:15-2:30 in some cases, all while maximizing instructional time.

And yet OP keeps fixating on mixing lunch as the grand solution to hurt feelings of parents about AAP and as the means to improve the academics of gen ed throughout fcps, while other parents like you are filled with rage that others suggest that having an organized lunch by class is not a grand master plan by fcps to exalt AAP kids and stomp down gen ed kids.

This thread has gone page after page of OP arguing that if we only combine lunch then everyone on dcum AAP forum will feel vindicated that gen ed, is indeed, important to fcps, and only complete agreement by every last AAP parent that lunch should indeed be the priority will show that AAP parents are not complete monsters with bratty stupidly average spawn.

It is hilariously ridiculous to put it kindly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it is too hard to identify solutions for schools people don't know enough about. Maybe first there should be a list of problems and those should be analyzed at each school to see if they exist and solutions found on a school by school basis first. I think at some point though, the discussion needs to go beyond the school to the school board though because there are boundary issues that involve more than one school and general ed children are restricted to just one school. Also, it's just easier to implement change from the top rather than from the bottom with a couple of parents complaining to the PTA or the principal. So I don't think a school by school discussion is always the best method of solving FCPS's problems. Saying level 3 instruction needs to be increased and having that actually implemented are two different things.

So using this goal: Meet the needs of the student in the program they are receiving services from in the building where it is a best fit for them. Each building should promote school unity and treat all students within it in an equitable manner.

What are the current problems FCPS has in achieving this?

Re: the bolded, this is, in my opinion, one of the biggest problems to address. AAP kids are given a choice of attending their base school or moving to a center, "to find their peer group." There is no reason Gen Ed kids attending centers (as their base school) shouldn't be given the same opportunity to find a peer group, by allowing them to also choose the next closest non-center school to attend, especially those who are assigned to AAP-heavy centers. One of the biggest inequities with AAP is the fact that one group is given school options, and the other group is given none. This needs to change, ASAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again. I made a suggestion about integrating lunch and recess as an example because someone asked me to give a suggestion. I asked for reasons why to or why not to implement this and no one wrote in to say there would be a problem. People did write back saying it would help AAP and general ed integration, so without any problem noted, I came to the conclusion that this is something FCPS can integrate into all schools. I'm looking for more suggestions like this that can help fix the current situation especially at the schools where there are problems. I don't need to be the author of the suggestions though.

Have you seriously read any of the responses on this thread? Or only the ones that parroted what you said?

Plenty of posters shared logistical reasons why open lunch time and seating based off grade would NOT work. Reasons given by many posters included cafeteria time, time and logistic constraints, most schools not having mixed homerooms in the middle of the day, and several other reasons.

Very few people said open lunch seating was a practical idea that should be implemented distric wide. In fact, most of the posts advocating open lunch times were by you alone.

+1000

OP just wants to highlight anything she agrees with and any other suggestions, opinions, etc are considered "venting" or "not evidence based" for her.

At our quite small for FCPS school, the lunchroom is so small. Kids stagger lunch between 10:30 am to nearly 1:30pm and barely have time to finish their meal at all if they stand in the lunch line.

I don't know how or why people think integrating lunch is going to be some big huge improvement to AAP and Gen Ed.

OP- what type of 'improvements' are you seeking? Academics improved for BOTH groups? It doesn't seem so. Socialization for AAP kids? That's what it seems like.

If your AAP kid needs help with socializing there are plenty of therapy groups in this area that specialize in just that sort of thing with socialization classes and groups.

I agree that the logistics of lunch can make mixing kids at lunch nearly impossible. And remember Center == big recent influx of kids == overcrowded -- which means the lunchrooms are generally inadequate. They make lunch as short and and organized as possible.

Besides that, the super snarkiness is unnecessary. Most of the "integration" calls on this board come from GE parents who want their kids to integrate with AAP and GE parents who complain that AAP causes segregation in the school. I guess one could say to those parents that if the GE kids need help using their academic game there are plenty of enrichment classes and tutors in this area that specialize in helping their dim witted offspring. But that would be obnoxious.

My suggestion for improving AAP and GE? That the AAP parents keep showing the same restraint they usually do with the mean, nasty and butt hurt attitude of some GE parents. If the AAP parents ever decide to stop taking the high road and get down on the GE parents level, it will be ugly. Because apparently making mean comments assuming that AAP kids need social skills therapy is fine. Making a comment suggesting that GE kids are just not that bright, though, is beyond the pale.

Wow. You were saying something about "butt hurt"? Oh, and AAP parents "taking the high road" and "showing restraint"?

Thanks for the beautiful illustration of a typical AAP parent.