Bowe Bergdahl

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Guess you don’t believe John McCain either:
John McCain welcomed the release of soldier Bowe Bergdahl, who was held for five years by Islamic Islamists, but said the men being freed had 'the blood of Americans on their hands'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644959/These-terrorists-blood-Americans-hands-McCain-leads-Republicans-hit-illegal-Guantanamo-Bay-prisoner-release-exchange-Americas-prisoner-war.html#ixzz33nZNB1Pb
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The five freed detainees, McCain said, "are the hardest of the hard-core. These are the highest high-risk people.” (CBS Face the Nation)

Unfortunately, John McCain, just like you and any number of other conservatives, has no problem spreading unsupported allegations. Which Americans did these guys kill? If they are known to have killed Americans. why were they never charged while being held in American custody?

Words are cheap. In today's America, the right wing willingly spreads lies. You called these guys "killers of Americans" but have not presented a single fact to support the allegation. In a normal world, you would simply say, "okay, they may not have killed Americans but they are still pretty bad." But, in the world in which we live, you just continue to stand by the false allegation.

And, I still contend that terrorists (yes, that is what they are) who train other terrorists to kill innocent people AND Americans are killers of Americans. Just like a person who is collaborating with a person who murders, but does not directly pull the trigger, is guilty of first degree murder.

Yet, you can't even demonstrate that these guys trained others to kill Americans. Really, it doesn't appear that anyone really knows what these guys did. That's probably why they were never charged with anything. It's why the only "evidence" you provide is qualified by terms such as "thought by many" or "present at".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Five people do not jeopardize crap. It's complete nonsense. Unless one of them is carrying in his head the plans for a super weapon to beat all super weapons, he's just a soldier, maybe a decent leader, who has been out of play for years.

No. Not just a soldier. The equivalent of five three and four star generals.

Really, did you think the country mourned when we fired Shinseki or Petraeus? Did you know that last year we purged nine top military commanders last year alone? Do you even know their names?

Not a big deal.

[Anonymous]

Really, did you think the country mourned when we fired Shinseki or Petraeus? Did you know that last year we purged nine top military commanders last year alone? Do you even know their names?

Not a big deal.

We have too many generals, And, both Petraeus and Shinseki were retired. As for P's downfall, I do believe it cost us.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Guess you don’t believe John McCain either:
John McCain welcomed the release of soldier Bowe Bergdahl, who was held for five years by Islamic Islamists, but said the men being freed had 'the blood of Americans on their hands'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644959/These-terrorists-blood-Americans-hands-McCain-leads-Republicans-hit-illegal-Guantanamo-Bay-prisoner-release-exchange-Americas-prisoner-war.html#ixzz33nZNB1Pb
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The five freed detainees, McCain said, "are the hardest of the hard-core. These are the highest high-risk people.” (CBS Face the Nation)

Unfortunately, John McCain, just like you and any number of other conservatives, has no problem spreading unsupported allegations. Which Americans did these guys kill? If they are known to have killed Americans. why were they never charged while being held in American custody?

Words are cheap. In today's America, the right wing willingly spreads lies. You called these guys "killers of Americans" but have not presented a single fact to support the allegation. In a normal world, you would simply say, "okay, they may not have killed Americans but they are still pretty bad." But, in the world in which we live, you just continue to stand by the false allegation.

And, I still contend that terrorists (yes, that is what they are) who train other terrorists to kill innocent people AND Americans are killers of Americans. Just like a person who is collaborating with a person who murders, but does not directly pull the trigger, is guilty of first degree murder.

Yet, you can't even demonstrate that these guys trained others to kill Americans. Really, it doesn't appear that anyone really knows what these guys did. That's probably why they were never charged with anything. It's why the only "evidence" you provide is qualified by terms such as "thought by many" or "present at".

This resource has a listing of each of the 5 terrorists and their “accomplishments.” There is NO doubt in my mind that they are complicit in the killing of Americans, not to mention, countless other innocent people. I am finished debating with someone who appears to feel as if these scumbags were wrongly imprisoned. I only hope they do not continue to kill Americans, although from what I have read, hope is all we have. Perhaps if your son was in the military and serving abroad, you would look at things differently.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/05/sgt_bowe_bergdahl_ex.php

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been reserving judgment on this while I learned more about it. I read the Rolling Stone profile from 2012, and that portrait, along with everything being reported this week, has led me to believe that this "swap" was a huge, huge mistake. I'm sorry, but the guy joined the Army to have an "adventure." He was raised by parents who were proud to live "off the grid." I support the right of anyone to live the way they want to, but when you are raised to be a free-thinker and a free-spirit and seek adventure, you have no business joining the Army, through which you become accountable to your fellow soldiers and your country. The Army is not a game where you join up to see the sights and maybe do some good along the way. This is just an incredibly naive way to think. And his actions and his attitude about his service were incredibly selfish. His experience of the Army, his capture and detainment were all a result of choices he made. The results are unfortunate, but they are his to own. The security and safety of our country and our that of our allies should not be compromised because his choices turned out to be catastrophic for him. I am bitterly disappointed in our President and whichever advisors supported this move.

He is innocent until proven guilty. PROVEN. He deserves a fair trial.

[Anonymous]

Taliban are some of the most oppressive and ruthless people on earth today. They kill little girls who want an education. So I'm guessing their leaders are bad guys, right? why is that debatable?

I'm still ok with the transfer, but lets not minimize that you have to give value up to get value back.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
This resource has a listing of each of the 5 terrorists and their “accomplishments.” There is NO doubt in my mind that they are complicit in the killing of Americans, not to mention, countless other innocent people. I am finished debating with someone who appears to feel as if these scumbags were wrongly imprisoned. I only hope they do not continue to kill Americans, although from what I have read, hope is all we have. Perhaps if your son was in the military and serving abroad, you would look at things differently.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/05/sgt_bowe_bergdahl_ex.php

Can you quote anything from that article that says any of these guys killed or ordered the killing of an American? I don't care about the state of your mind because you obviously don't care about the truth. Once again we see the truth of the expression, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

You made a false allegation, got called on it, repeatedly failed to support it, and are now playing the patriotism card. I just don't get what gene right-wingers here have that prevents them from correcting their mistakes. Let me clue you in on something: if you can't make the case that these guys are horrible people without lying about it, they probably aren't that bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reserving judgment on this while I learned more about it. I read the Rolling Stone profile from 2012, and that portrait, along with everything being reported this week, has led me to believe that this "swap" was a huge, huge mistake. I'm sorry, but the guy joined the Army to have an "adventure." He was raised by parents who were proud to live "off the grid." I support the right of anyone to live the way they want to, but when you are raised to be a free-thinker and a free-spirit and seek adventure, you have no business joining the Army, through which you become accountable to your fellow soldiers and your country. The Army is not a game where you join up to see the sights and maybe do some good along the way. This is just an incredibly naive way to think. And his actions and his attitude about his service were incredibly selfish. His experience of the Army, his capture and detainment were all a result of choices he made. The results are unfortunate, but they are his to own. The security and safety of our country and our that of our allies should not be compromised because his choices turned out to be catastrophic for him. I am bitterly disappointed in our President and whichever advisors supported this move.

He is innocent until proven guilty. PROVEN. He deserves a fair trial.

I agree. And I hope he stands court martial. I still think the preponderance of known evidence (including the Army's own report on his capture) suggests he went off on his own and I still do not believe that the swap was a good deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Five people do not jeopardize crap. It's complete nonsense. Unless one of them is carrying in his head the plans for a super weapon to beat all super weapons, he's just a soldier, maybe a decent leader, who has been out of play for years.

No. Not just a soldier. The equivalent of five three and four star generals.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reserving judgment on this while I learned more about it. I read the Rolling Stone profile from 2012, and that portrait, along with everything being reported this week, has led me to believe that this "swap" was a huge, huge mistake. I'm sorry, but the guy joined the Army to have an "adventure." He was raised by parents who were proud to live "off the grid." I support the right of anyone to live the way they want to, but when you are raised to be a free-thinker and a free-spirit and seek adventure, you have no business joining the Army, through which you become accountable to your fellow soldiers and your country. The Army is not a game where you join up to see the sights and maybe do some good along the way. This is just an incredibly naive way to think. And his actions and his attitude about his service were incredibly selfish. His experience of the Army, his capture and detainment were all a result of choices he made. The results are unfortunate, but they are his to own. The security and safety of our country and our that of our allies should not be compromised because his choices turned out to be catastrophic for him. I am bitterly disappointed in our President and whichever advisors supported this move.

He is innocent until proven guilty. PROVEN. He deserves a fair trial.

I agree. And I hope he stands court martial. I still think the preponderance of known evidence (including the Army's own report on his capture) suggests he went off on his own and I still do not believe that the swap was a good deal.

You have already concluded that the preponderance of the evidence indicates his guilt, before he's even tried. I don't know what to say to that. But regardless, the presumption of guilt in this case has no bearing on any decision to rescue him. If the President violated the laws governing the release of prisoners, that is a separate issue.

[Anonymous]

OMG is this satire? Did Obama actually compare his actions to Iran Contra out loud? OH SNAP

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2014/06/05/obama-what-should-i-have-done-secretly-sold-them-1500-missiles/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reserving judgment on this while I learned more about it. I read the Rolling Stone profile from 2012, and that portrait, along with everything being reported this week, has led me to believe that this "swap" was a huge, huge mistake. I'm sorry, but the guy joined the Army to have an "adventure." He was raised by parents who were proud to live "off the grid." I support the right of anyone to live the way they want to, but when you are raised to be a free-thinker and a free-spirit and seek adventure, you have no business joining the Army, through which you become accountable to your fellow soldiers and your country. The Army is not a game where you join up to see the sights and maybe do some good along the way. This is just an incredibly naive way to think. And his actions and his attitude about his service were incredibly selfish. His experience of the Army, his capture and detainment were all a result of choices he made. The results are unfortunate, but they are his to own. The security and safety of our country and our that of our allies should not be compromised because his choices turned out to be catastrophic for him. I am bitterly disappointed in our President and whichever advisors supported this move.

Five people do not jeopardize crap. It's complete nonsense. Unless one of them is carrying in his head the plans for a super weapon to beat all super weapons, he's just a soldier, maybe a decent leader, who has been out of play for years.

Unclench, people.

"Five people" ??!?

By your measure, Obama is powerless because he is only one person.

These are top Taliban leaders; one was an original founder. They hold tremendous symbolic value and could be powerful recruiting tools - if if they do not resume leadership positions.

Stop trying to minimize the threat these people pose.

[Anonymous]

LOL, conservative 180 on Bergdhal. From "why won't this wussy President do anything to bring home a soldier? Semper Fi". to IMPEACH: http://gawker.com/angry-conservatives-forgot-their-old-angry-tweets-suppo-1586150981

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reserving judgment on this while I learned more about it. I read the Rolling Stone profile from 2012, and that portrait, along with everything being reported this week, has led me to believe that this "swap" was a huge, huge mistake. I'm sorry, but the guy joined the Army to have an "adventure." He was raised by parents who were proud to live "off the grid." I support the right of anyone to live the way they want to, but when you are raised to be a free-thinker and a free-spirit and seek adventure, you have no business joining the Army, through which you become accountable to your fellow soldiers and your country. The Army is not a game where you join up to see the sights and maybe do some good along the way. This is just an incredibly naive way to think. And his actions and his attitude about his service were incredibly selfish. His experience of the Army, his capture and detainment were all a result of choices he made. The results are unfortunate, but they are his to own. The security and safety of our country and our that of our allies should not be compromised because his choices turned out to be catastrophic for him. I am bitterly disappointed in our President and whichever advisors supported this move.

Five people do not jeopardize crap. It's complete nonsense. Unless one of them is carrying in his head the plans for a super weapon to beat all super weapons, he's just a soldier, maybe a decent leader, who has been out of play for years.

Unclench, people.

"Five people" ??!?

By your measure, Obama is powerless because he is only one person.

These are top Taliban leaders; one was an original founder. They hold tremendous symbolic value and could be powerful recruiting tools - if if they do not resume leadership positions.

Stop trying to minimize the threat these people pose.

Let’s not forget that it only took 19 terrorists to murder nearly 3000 people on 9/11.

[Anonymous]

Earlier a poster lamented our big brother state forcing people to bake for gays!!! Well the guy is not being forced to do anything. He's exercised his right not to bake. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647093/Baker-lost-discrimination-case-opposes-gay-marriage-stop-making-wedding-cakes-altogether.html

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