I fear for the future of Einstein.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

The post is about the future of Einstein. Without upper-level courses and the arts, Einstein will turn into a not-so-great school as families will leave.

And you want to change the course offerings at Einstein, since apparently no one wants to go to one of the new regional programs at a different school.

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Anonymous wrote:On the boundaries options, it seems like Option B is the best for both the Einstein and Northwood zones. Option C has a large decrease in enrollment for Einstein, and Options A and D leave Northwood at only 85% utilization, which I think doesn't make sense from an ROI perspective on a brand-new building.


Also Option B would put Blair at 91% utilization, leaving room for its popular magnets. The other options have it at over 100% utilization with just resident students.

For performing arts, I think I agree with the consensus in keeping performing arts at Einstein and putting the humanities magnet at Northwood.

And waste a brand new auditorium with professional lighting and sound? That's using resources well.

How is having a humanities program wasting that?

Northwood is BUILDING from scratch.

Northwood has 4 academies relating to the humanities. So Northwood isn’t building from scratch. They already have a foundation and it makes sense to put it there.

Then why aren’t they getting the humanities program??

Multiple parents and staff have been asking that. Whitman doesn’t need it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

The post is about the future of Einstein. Without upper-level courses and the arts, Einstein will turn into a not-so-great school as families will leave.

No offense but it is currently the 19th ranked high school out of 25 in MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

The post is about the future of Einstein. Without upper-level courses and the arts, Einstein will turn into a not-so-great school as families will leave.

No offense but it is currently the 19th ranked high school out of 25 in MCPS.

We're not offended.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

The post is about the future of Einstein. Without upper-level courses and the arts, Einstein will turn into a not-so-great school as families will leave.

No offense but it is currently the 19th ranked high school out of 25 in MCPS.

All the more reason to strengthen academics so the smart kids stay.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

The post is about the future of Einstein. Without upper-level courses and the arts, Einstein will turn into a not-so-great school as families will leave.

No offense but it is currently the 19th ranked high school out of 25 in MCPS.

All the more reason to strengthen academics so the smart kids stay.

Many smart kids will stay no matter what

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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

The post is about the future of Einstein. Without upper-level courses and the arts, Einstein will turn into a not-so-great school as families will leave.

No offense but it is currently the 19th ranked high school out of 25 in MCPS.

All the more reason to strengthen academics so the smart kids stay.

Many smart kids will stay no matter what

No, many now leave for other schools.

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Why are parents worried about it?

Einstein kids will attend close by school which won't be over crowded. If there are enough smart kids(I am sure there are), then higher level courses will run. If not then it won't run and those kids need to go to regional magnet, just like any other region.

Is there anything special about Einstein's situation? I mean in new model, it will be situation for all schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are parents worried about it?

Einstein kids will attend close by school which won't be over crowded. If there are enough smart kids(I am sure there are), then higher level courses will run. If not then it won't run and those kids need to go to regional magnet, just like any other region.

Is there anything special about Einstein's situation? I mean in new model, it will be situation for all schools.

All of your questions have been addressed at length on this and other threads

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are parents worried about it?

Einstein kids will attend close by school which won't be over crowded. If there are enough smart kids(I am sure there are), then higher level courses will run. If not then it won't run and those kids need to go to regional magnet, just like any other region.

Is there anything special about Einstein's situation? I mean in new model, it will be situation for all schools.

I am an Einstein parent and an inbound homeowner. My concern at this point is that the school's FARMS rate will go even higher once they redo boundaries. We have lived in our house since 1999. FARMS rate at Einstein when we moved in was less than 25%. Small high school with a 47%+ or higher FARMS rate is no bueno.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

I’m not sure what was wrong with my previous statement. Protecting the arts at Einstein is a heavy discussion that’s on this thread. I never implied that Einstein parents aren’t concerned about other things at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are parents worried about it?

Einstein kids will attend close by school which won't be over crowded. If there are enough smart kids(I am sure there are), then higher level courses will run. If not then it won't run and those kids need to go to regional magnet, just like any other region.

Is there anything special about Einstein's situation? I mean in new model, it will be situation for all schools.

There are smart kids nice who are being told no. Reduce students, reduce staffing so things will get worse not better. Other schools have classes. There will be no change.