Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I would do it. I have a mortgage, kids a wife at home. The trust fund babies on here have low tollerance

I am not a fed nor a trust fund baby…but I am somebody with many career options…so no, I wouldn’t do it.

Are you really in such a dead end career that you would eat shit like that?

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Anonymous wrote:The responses here just demonstrate how many Americans are interested in watching other people needlessly suffer if they themselves had to do it at some point. This is why people aren’t having kids anymore. We live in such a sadistic country. It’s pathetic. Shame on all of you. We have all of this technology that should liberate us to have balance and find peace and we are intent on ensuring all it does is create chaos and porn and internet gambling. You think you’re brave and talented because you drove to an office for 30 years and said yes mam and no sir? No
Wonder you’re fascinated with trump.

I always thought we were supposed to want to make society better. Thanks to people before us, we have occupational safety standards, labor protections, kids attend school instead of factories, etc.

I had to take unpaid leave after giving birth, which sucked and was hard on my family and meant returning to work sooner than I would have liked. But I am thrilled at progress being made toward paid parental leave. DH and I also had to pay back student loans, while being stretched by childcare expenses. Again, this sucked. I totally support making it easier for people to afford education and pay off loans.

The people who are all crabs in a bucket are truly a drain on progress.

I also find it funny how many people don’t bat an eye at companies like Tesla not paying taxes or CEOs getting 40 million dollar golden parachutes, but are up in arms over some fed making $120k/year getting to telework with a flex schedule so they can pick their kid up from the bus stop at 4 PM.

Like my God some of you are so unbelievably bitter and petty, I hope progress leaves you behind.

AMEN.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

Name the company where employees are having to bring their own chairs.

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Anonymous wrote:The responses here just demonstrate how many Americans are interested in watching other people needlessly suffer if they themselves had to do it at some point. This is why people aren’t having kids anymore. We live in such a sadistic country. It’s pathetic. Shame on all of you. We have all of this technology that should liberate us to have balance and find peace and we are intent on ensuring all it does is create chaos and porn and internet gambling. You think you’re brave and talented because you drove to an office for 30 years and said yes mam and no sir? No
Wonder you’re fascinated with trump.

I always thought we were supposed to want to make society better. Thanks to people before us, we have occupational safety standards, labor protections, kids attend school instead of factories, etc.

I had to take unpaid leave after giving birth, which sucked and was hard on my family and meant returning to work sooner than I would have liked. But I am thrilled at progress being made toward paid parental leave. DH and I also had to pay back student loans, while being stretched by childcare expenses. Again, this sucked. I totally support making it easier for people to afford education and pay off loans.

The people who are all crabs in a bucket are truly a drain on progress.

I also find it funny how many people don’t bat an eye at companies like Tesla not paying taxes or CEOs getting 40 million dollar golden parachutes, but are up in arms over some fed making $120k/year getting to telework with a flex schedule so they can pick their kid up from the bus stop at 4 PM.

Like my God some of you are so unbelievably bitter and petty, I hope progress leaves you behind.

It isn’t about being bitter or petty.

It’s the “we have it so bad and nobody else does” attitude. The complaints on this thread are falling flat because they are things many professionals have been enduring all along.

People aren’t gleeful that you’re suffering, too. They are simply trying to inform you that your long commute, pointless mandates you must follow, childcare concerns, etc., are challenges endured by many. And there’s an “it’s okay for you but woe for me” attitude that hits in a bad place.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

Well that's not good. To be fair most or my current knowledge of private companies is from friends and family members who work in big law and large national insurance compsnies, and their places have tons of office space.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

I would like to know the rationale for a private company bringing employees back to that environment. In the federal government, the rationale is clearly trying to comply with current demands of the administration. They gave up the space because they never anticipated the need.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

I would like to know the rationale for a private company bringing employees back to that environment. In the federal government, the rationale is clearly trying to comply with current demands of the administration. They gave up the space because they never anticipated the need.

+1 obviously a troll saying someone is bringing their own chair to a private sector job

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

Factually incorrect now. I’m impressed with this lie.

Literally every fed I know does this. I know it's not an image you want to project (god forbid you admit) but it is absolutely true. It's not like we don't know federal workers in this area.

Here's a specific example: in my division of 15 people, two people do this. So how is it "Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday"??

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I would do it. I have a mortgage, kids a wife at home. The trust fund babies on here have low tollerance

I am not a fed nor a trust fund baby…but I am somebody with many career options…so no, I wouldn’t do it.

Are you really in such a dead end career that you would eat shit like that?

Only reason my dh is doing it is that he is just a few years from a retirement goal. Most of the younger feds without as many years in are actively looking for other jobs right now.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

Factually incorrect now. I’m impressed with this lie.

Literally every fed I know does this. I know it's not an image you want to project (god forbid you admit) but it is absolutely true. It's not like we don't know federal workers in this area.

Here's a specific example: in my division of 15 people, two people do this. So how is it "Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday"??

In my group most work AWS, with every Friday or every other Friday off.

But the PP who stared this made it sound like these workers weren’t putting in 40 plus hours a week. They are. They just work 9.5 or 10.5 hours per day instead of 8. It’s great that some can do that, and certainly makes my Friday commute better. Also everyone I know that does it check their phone on Friday and log in as needed. I know so on here are claiming their agency won’t permit that, but they will never name the agency. I have friends at most agencies (as do many in DC) and it’s not at any of their agencies.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

I would like to know the rationale for a private company bringing employees back to that environment. In the federal government, the rationale is clearly trying to comply with current demands of the administration. They gave up the space because they never anticipated the need.

+1 obviously a troll saying someone is bringing their own chair to a private sector job

Dp but I can confirm private sector rto at big name companies are working in hallways, makeshift tables etc. Not all, obviously, but yes it is happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

I would like to know the rationale for a private company bringing employees back to that environment. In the federal government, the rationale is clearly trying to comply with current demands of the administration. They gave up the space because they never anticipated the need.

Companies will do it for a variety of reasons. One is to force attrition. Another is when they create geographic hubs for something. Also depending on a company’s leadership, some favor more in person or remote.

Covid accelerated the ability to telework by a lot. But it has always been something I’m the private sector that can be given or taken away based on priorities. If I were a fed I would try to accept that different administrations will have different positions on it as well, and I would not make any life changes based on an expectation of permanent telework.

it is unfortunate that people’s lives are impacted by political decisions, but that’s where the freedom to switch jobs typically comes into play as well. I had a private sector job that moved me to a worse commute location; I sucked it up for 2 months while landing my next job, then resigned. For feds, hiring freeze and RIFs have limited that for the time being. IMO the best possible outcome here is to end the hiring freeze. Hopefully that will happen and feds can find better commutes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

I get it. My job throws pointless nonsense at me every day, most of which I didn’t sign up for when I was hired. These tasks add up and force me to work WAY WAY over 40 hours each week. Many of us deal with arbitrary, pointless changes that severely impact our weeks.

I’m not happy it’s happening to you. It’s not that I need others to suffer because I am. But to say this is unique to Feds isn’t true.

No, it is definitely not unique to Feds. However a lot of federal agencies forced people back because they were trying to please cabinet heads

The difference between feds and private offices is that private companies have space for their employees. Federal agencies largely downsized their offices during Covid, relying on remote work. Several agencies were told to get rid of any leases in privately owned spaces.

It is a very long process in the federal government for an agency to acquire new space, so the agencies cannot just go and lease new space on their own. They have to go through GSA As a result the federal employees are shoved together in small, inadequate spaces.

No, private companies don't. My husband was RTO. They have hotdesks and its first come first serve. He gets in super early but otherwise he'd have to bring his own chair and lap table, its that bad. He was working remotely long before covid. And, with the three hour commute each day, on a good day he's had to cut back the hours he works.

I would like to know the rationale for a private company bringing employees back to that environment. In the federal government, the rationale is clearly trying to comply with current demands of the administration. They gave up the space because they never anticipated the need.

+1 obviously a troll saying someone is bringing their own chair to a private sector job

Dp but I can confirm private sector rto at big name companies are working in hallways, makeshift tables etc. Not all, obviously, but yes it is happening.

That doesn’t make it right. Instead of government providing an example of worker rights, they’re just giving the private sector an excuse to make things worse.

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People aren’t gleeful that you’re suffering, too. They are simply trying to inform you that your long commute, pointless mandates you must follow, childcare concerns, etc., are challenges endured by many. And there’s an “it’s okay for you but woe for me” attitude that hits in a bad place.

Np...you are doing exactly what the previous poster said you were...you having dealt with poor work conditions doesnt mean it was okay for you, nor is it okay for them..having to do it doesn't make it okay or less hard...previous poster is right that they will not bat an eyelid at the literal BILLIONs that ceos make or the privileges they partake but will instantly try to hold back someone from your own social standing at improving their life.
This crab mentality I suppose is what ensures no revolutions happen, the poor and middle class stay as feeders for the uppers to continue making their billions from.